Why does no one complain about Ahri?

Ben SwoIo·Jun 3, 2019·14 votes·2,651 views

People always slam assassins for their escape / mobility, yet no one EVER complains about how stupidly safe yet strong Ahri is.

Oh you want to all in Ahri? Watch as she clicks R a fuckin million times and dashes away. Oh she wants to re-engage? She'll dash right back and charm you into her easy to land "skills".

Got a problem landing skill shots as Ahri? No problem! Bring glacial augment and you're guaranteed to land your shots while also keeping the enemy at bay with your perma slowing autos!

I can't be the only one who hates this champ. She's just too damn safe and strong at the same time. Maybe it's just her coupled with that stupid ass glacial augment though.

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FOR JUSTICEJun 3, 201913 votes

its her coupled with glacial. before it was discovered she was never higher then ~52% winrate. also its cause shes not actually all that mobile before level 6.

Ben SwoIoJun 3, 20193 votes

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its her coupled with glacial. before it was discovered she was never higher then ~52% winrate. also its cause shes not actually all that mobile before level 6.

That's my problem with her though. She's SUPPOSED to be weak pre-6 or when her ult is on CD.

With that stupid ass glacial augment, she's able to essentially frozen mallet you with her ranged autos to keep you from gap closing. Even IF you gap close, she's able to kite and escape with that stupid rune. Couple that with her ult and you ain't ever catching her. Just too damn safe.

Psi21Jun 3, 20196 votes

Arhi's ratios get worse as the game goes on. There is a reason why there is M.pen suggested in her build.

The thigh guyJun 3, 20195 votes

Because her mobility is tied to her ult and Nuked her kill pressure when she doesn’t have it.

90% of the other assassins don’t have that issue, as their mobility is tied to a basic, so before you know it they have all their mobility back.

Anu3isIIJun 3, 20193 votes

Assassins in general lose their kill pressure without their ults: Akali Diana Kayn Leblanc Nocturne Zed Pyke Evelynn Fizz Zed need their Ults for extra mobility, CC and/or execute potential.

While Ahri does lose all her mobility, she has a pretty strong and safe base kit that she doesn't rely on her Ultimate to be useful. Some of the picks above may work without their Ultimate, but most of them do have a hard time functioning without it.

The thigh guyJun 3, 20194 votes

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Assassins in general lose their kill pressure without their ults: need their Ults for extra mobility, CC and/or execute potential.

While Ahri does lose all her mobility, she has a pretty strong and safe base kit that she doesn't rely on her Ultimate to be useful. Some of the picks above may work without their Ultimate, but most of them do have a hard time functioning without it.

She does still rely on her ultimate to be useful. Due to her charm being a skillshot.

Sure she has wave clear, but the fact that her only other defensive tool is on a easily dodged skillshot, she’s insanely weak without her ult.

Anu3isIIJun 3, 20191 votes

Except that she can easily use it to react to opponents' engage or to assist her allies, as most immobile mages do. The Assassins I mentioned either have to find their opponents out of position or have assistance from their allies in order to kill their opponents without their Ultimates.

She can still fish for charms when grouped and she has a relatively safe Range of action, while Assassins need to use their mobility to close the gap or have much easier to dodge skillshots.

As I said in the other post, I don't see how her ult has much more of a trade-off than the average Assassin. Different, yes, but saying she is weak without her Ultimate is straight out unbelievable from my point of view.

The thigh guyJun 3, 20191 votes

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Except that she can easily use it to react to opponents' engage or to assist her allies, as most immobile mages do. The Assassins I mentioned either have to find their opponents out of position or have assistance from their allies in order to kill their opponents without their Ultimates.

She can still fish for charms when grouped and she has a relatively safe Range of action, while Assassins need to use their mobility to close the gap or have much easier to dodge skillshots.

As I said in the other post, I don't see how her ult has much more of a trade-off than the average Assassin. Different, yes, but saying she is weak without her Ultimate is straight out unbelievable from my point of view.

She is litteraly discount Zoe without her ult.

She has close to no kill pressure without it because it does a lot of damage. Her q does deceptively little damage before late game.

2Charmnot2CharmJun 3, 20192 votes

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Assassins in general lose their kill pressure without their ults:

Hold up, you think Assassin Kayn, Leblanc, fizz, and Zed need ults to have kill pressure? Lmfao, the second you get to 70% hp they have kill pressure on you REGARDLESS if they have ult or not.

And those champs can easily make use of that kill pressure since their mobility spells IS NOT AN ULTIMATE, and since said mobility are basic spells they can force a trade to get you into kill range for their next rotation :).

Also Eve doesn't even need her ult after she has her 3 core items, and anymore after that means she deletes you within the blink of an eye. Not the hardest thing to do in the world thanks to her camouflage.

Now lets talk about the other assassins you mentioned.

Diana- Her ult is 20 seconds and resets, she will have multiple chances to one shot or force you out of fights while burning cooldowns. And just killing her isn't that simple when her W is pretty good at mitigating damage.

Noc- Are we forgetting the part where his ult blindsides everyone making it harder to protect his targets in jungle fights? The perfect solo Q champion.

Pyke- AOE true damage execute that goes through shields and resets. Literally just let your team do the damage AND THEN go in with the ult, it's that simple as pyke. Why do you think he is the only assassin to go Aftershock instead of more damage?

Do you guys even play as or vs these champs?

Anu3isIIJun 3, 20191 votes

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Hold up, you think Assassin Kayn, Leblanc, fizz, and Zed need ults to have kill pressure? Lmfao, the second you get to 70% hp they have kill pressure on you REGARDLESS if they have ult or not.

Unless you position extremely badly, Fizz and Zed and debatably LeBlanc shouldn't have any way to kill you. Assassin Kayn heavily relies on your team's lack of vision.

And those champs can easily make use of that kill pressure since their mobility spells IS NOT AN ULTIMATE, and since said mobility are basic spells they can force a trade to get you into kill range for their next rotation :).

As I said, their engage is very limited in terms of Range and Damage without their Ults. If you use your E as Fizz to be able to Q a target, you lost most of your damage. Same for LeBlanc with her W. Zed's W range is very small and Kayn should rely on Walls to get to you in the first place (not as if he can't be easily peeled.

Also Eve doesn't even need her ult after she has her 3 core items, and anymore after that means she deletes you within the blink of an eye. Not the hardest thing to do in the world thanks to her camouflage.

After 3 items people should already group and protect their carries. If you go without ult, people would easily collapse on you, besides having a hard time approaching them without being peeled by their tanks or supports. Besides, you talk about a 3 item Evelynn, which is very late into the game. She needs her Ult for most of the game to gain an advantage and snowball with the 3 item spike. Until then, she is pretty much depending on it.

Now lets talk about the other assassins you mentioned.

Diana- Her ult is 20 seconds and resets, she will have multiple chances to one shot or force you out of fights while burning cooldowns. And just killing her isn't that simple when her W is pretty good at mitigating damage.

Fights don't last longer than 20 seconds. If she used it without resetting the CD, the enemy can turn on her and pretty much kill her. And her reset requires you to land a Q before, which isn't as easy as you make it. Many Diana players started using R and then land her Q to guarantee it hits, even though they lose their reset. Her W is good in 1v1s, but outside of that she dies easily.

Noc- Are we forgetting the part where his ult blindsides everyone making it harder to protect his targets in jungle fights? The perfect solo Q champion.

Are we ignoring the fact that he is immobile without it and it has a really long CD? He has a hard time engaging without it, which is my whole point.

Pyke- AOE true damage execute that goes through shields and resets. Literally just let your team do the damage AND THEN go in with the ult, it's that simple as pyke. Why do you think he is the only assassin to go Aftershock instead of more damage?

How many Assassins have more than one spammable hard CC in their kit? He pretty much abuses the Keystone and it doesn't have any connection with his Ultimate at all. Heck, some Pykes run Dark Harvest as their main Keystone, and those are arguably the ones that abuse how his ult works the most. And sure, let's ignore things like Kassadin and Akali going for Fleet Footwork, Glacial Augment Ahri and the new Smite/Spellbook meta that people started abusing on Mages and AP Assassins.

And I don't even get what you try to prove. That their ults are powerful? That is the whole point. Without their ults, they barely work.

Do you guys even play as or vs these champs?

I do and I don't consider them as impossible to fight against as you make it seem. It is all a matter of positioning and reacting correctly to the situation. Heck, even now I dislike to face some of them, but I generally don't have a hard time facing them.

WalkingInACircleJun 3, 20195 votes

She has, what, the second lowest burst damage of any midlaners, after Zilean? With a normal linear skillshot.

Akali PrimeJun 3, 20194 votes

Ahri Lux riots poster bitches no one is allowed to complain about.

thats why.

edit: see?

LuxButt99Jun 3, 201914 votes

akali player lol

PørnStårJun 3, 20192 votes

"what you said isnt valid because your name has a champion that literally everyone complains about in it"

LuxButt99Jun 3, 20192 votes

akali is literally aids her players don't get a say on what champ is cancer and what isn't

Akali PrimeJun 4, 20191 votes

but everyone complains about akali and riot hates her. i dont see your point.

l love AhriJun 3, 20194 votes

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riots poster bitches no one is allowed to complain about.

thats why.

At least say that when your name isnt "Akali"

Stray KatJun 3, 20194 votes

I gotta laugh at the Lux and Ahri named mains downvoting this lol. I mean, although your choice of wording isn't really appropriate, it's still fairly true. They've always had decent damage with super safe laning phases/teamfight patterns.

Not to say they're OP or anything, but yeah.

Ahri BakaJun 3, 20194 votes

Why would you complain about the Mid laner with the lowest damage between all mid laners? Her safety comes because her damage is too low compared to other champions If you bait her ult , then go roam , do something , you already made her useless for the next 130 Seconds.

Ben SwoIoJun 4, 20191 votes

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Why would you complain about the Mid laner with the lowest damage between all mid laners? Her safety comes because her damage is too low compared to other champions If you bait her ult , then go roam , do something , you already made her useless for the next 130 Seconds.

Go roam as she clicks Q to wave clear and shove the tower? Right.

I don't understand why people are defending her so much. Hate Zed, defend Ahri.

Ahri BakaJun 4, 20191 votes

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Go roam as she clicks Q to wave clear and shove the tower? Right.

I don't understand why people are defending her so much. Hate Zed, defend Ahri.

Her Q doesn't clear a wave until level 9 , and at level 9 she only clears Caster minions lol Zed has a better early wave clear btw

HP CrookshanksJun 3, 20194 votes

Because her mobility has 130 seconds cd

Meteora707Jun 3, 20193 votes

because the ahri mains are fiery when it comes to defending their waifu, everything talking about ahri besides "buffs pls" will have 50 downvotes before you get to see it.

ceskyferJun 3, 20193 votes

Am really sorry as masters shaco otp I will say this: I won't ever complain about ahri as long as karthus ekko sylas kaisa pyke neeko exist. My champ is weak and I accepted that but these champs are beyond comprehension on why they are not receiving nerfs.

LuxButt99Jun 3, 20192 votes

just yesterday i saw a post whining about ahri and here's a one today now i am starting to think it's going to be a daily thing for a while now

VelasanJun 3, 20192 votes

They do complain about her. Everyone on the boards complains about everything. She is just less of an issue than the myriad of other things they would rather complain about.

In Ahri's case, she has a similar issue to LB, where in the past that much mobility and burst made her really strong. Now a lot of people have really high damage, and they are squishy. So, it doesn't matter how mobile you are if you just get exploded.

Doesn't mean they can't be super obnoxious when they get fed, but it's at a level that doesn't feel as bad as a lot of other issues in the game.

Dorans PantsJun 3, 20192 votes

No, ahri with ult is just as dumb as assassins are. Good thing CDR is so rare and ult CDs are so long, otherwise, she would have her ult up every time she needs it.

MiracleMorg94Jun 3, 20192 votes

Ahri is a burst mage, not an assassin, so that's probably why you're having trouble, lol. She just has the mobility of an assassin that puts her more of in a hybrid state between the two, in my opinion.

I remember back in the old days I would take Diana and just shit on her but now I can't even do that with Riot adding Runes Reforged in (huge mistake), while constantly adding shit ton of damage into the game each year. More so you just have to try to dodge and save your CC when she alls in you.

Stray KatJun 3, 20192 votes

Glad it's not just me.. She was a free lane for me season after season(As a Diana 1-trick) but recently I've actually started banning her fairly often because she's just become such a nuisance to deal with. I can take Cleanse and make it a nice boring even 0-0 farm lane, but I can't just straight beat her as often like I used to.

XurrealJun 3, 20192 votes

Ahri is easy.

GlaricionJun 3, 20192 votes

I mean, Ahri depends heavily on hitting her charm (damage amp and CC) and loses a huge amount of all-in power if she defensively ults, pretty much all of her damage is cordoned off into multiple stages too.

It isn't like a lot of assassins where you gib people in <.5s and walk away, there's actually quite a bit of counter play to Ahri.

TusutakiJun 3, 20192 votes

Why does no one complain about Ahri?

Its mostly because she is one of the more better designed and balanced mid laner in the game. She doesnt have any, if not, little, infuriating mechanics built into her kit that makes her unfun to play against. Compare her kit to the likes of Akali, Gnar, Fiora, Aatrox, and others within a certain degree.

However the reason as to why her winrate is so high isnt because she's all that strong but moreso because a lot of champions are extremely weak currently. The champions that could answer her has been constantly nerfed to no longer be an answer.

Jerry SeinfeIdJun 3, 20192 votes

i'm just not afraid of her. if i dodge her charm, i ain't gonna die. Like sure she can run away from pretty much everything, but if she's running away from me i'm probably ahead.

and she's fallen off too it seems, don't see her much anymore.

CIassD PersonnelJun 3, 20191 votes

Theres so many lux mains and ahri mains that they've surpassed yasuo mains and zed mains a LONG time ago, these special creatures also defend their champions in everyway unlike the typical main that's why most things of people complaining about them get SWARMED with hate

LadyAlbaKurosakiJun 3, 20191 votes

You are supposed to wait till she wastes her charm and r to kill her. The glacial augment build means she will deal way less damage than intended. So you should roam or outdamage her and shut her down early.

ChaosReynJun 3, 20191 votes

Except they do complain about her.

Especially Zed mains - Ahri screws Zed so bad for less than half the effort Zed has to put into his usual combo.

2Charmnot2CharmJun 3, 20192 votes

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Except they do complain about her.

Especially Zed mains - Ahri screws Zed so bad for less than half the effort Zed has to put into his usual combo.

Literally anyone with hard cc screws zed.

His ult makes him appear behind the target, what do they think is going to happen when any of these champs Ahri Anivia Annie Lux Morgana Neeko grows a brain and throws the cc behind them or behind his intended target?

Zed needs flash or to not waste W shadow swap to get in ult range to dodge that but for whatever reason i only seen few zed players do this.

I only listed mid laners, there are a lot more champs that can do the samething to zed.

ChaosReynJun 3, 20192 votes

Well, all that aside, Zed has about as much chance of even hitting Ahri as a skillshot champion has hitting him

3 dashes and flash means not only does she have the ability to shortstop Zed in the way you say, but even if she doesn't, she can reposition herself 4 separate times so that after he misses everything, she can just use the rest of her movement abilities to pretty much combo him without fail. She's in a whole different league of "fuck you, Zed!" than anything on your list.

(and you also left Lissandra off your list, who counters him just as hard as Ahri, except through sheer cc and damage negation)

Ahri BakaJun 4, 20191 votes

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Except they do complain about her.

Especially Zed mains - Ahri screws Zed so bad for less than half the effort Zed has to put into his usual combo.

Zed mains actually enjoy playing against Ahri more than most of other mid laners

As a M7 Zed player myself ( of course I main Ahri ) in Zed mains discord Zed mains would hate something like Orianna or Lux because of their shields , not Ahri

ChaosReynJun 4, 20191 votes

Must be a gold or lower thing then. Or maybe an NA thing. Literally every zed player I've played with is always whining for 25 minutes and spamming ff from 15 on.

Ahri BakaJun 4, 20191 votes

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Must be a gold or lower thing then. Or maybe an NA thing. Literally every zed player I've played with is always whining for 25 minutes and spamming ff from 15 on.

Zed mains usually whine about everything since they believe Zed is the weakest champion in the game tho you can watch LLStylish , Ahri is so far one of the few mid laners he enjoys laning against