2% less reduction from auto attacks meanwhile 10% extra reduction from on hits like bork, bloodrazor, Tri Force and even Lich Bane? And on hits from champs like Kog Maw W? Uh... sure bork is broken but why buff the item thats already bought by everyone instead of just nerfing bork?
LyingOnLine3 votesSheen damage isn't on-hit. It's empowered auto damage, and it was already reduced by Ninja Tabi.
This would be a buff to characters who build Sheen items.
And frankly, it would be a buff to my main doge, so I would be pleased to see it go through.
Penns1 votesSheen items say "on hit" and if the damage was already reduced by Tabi, it also increased life steal. Which Im pretty sure it didnt.
LyingOnLine1 votesUh, sheen procs do increase life steal, and I'm pretty sure it affects life steal precisely because it is an empowered auto effect.
Also, if it were an on-hit effect it would be doubled by Rageblade.
Jbels1 votesUh, sheen procs do increase life steal, and I'm pretty sure it affects life steal precisely because it is an empowered auto effect.
Also, if it were an on-hit effect it would be doubled by Rageblade.
That's not how rageblade works. Rageblade doesn't double the power of an onhit ability, it causes an auto to apply any and all onhits that it is affected by twice, which means it treats your one auto as if it were two consecutive auto attacks. Sheen only applies on hit to one auto, which means it would not get doubled
LyingOnLine1 votesThat's not how rageblade works. Rageblade doesn't double the power of an onhit ability, it causes an auto to apply any and all onhits that it is affected by twice
This
{quoted} Sheen only applies on hit to one auto, which means it would not get doubled
contradicts this.
And Sheen is not an on-hit effect.
Jbels1 votesThis Sheen only applies on hit to one auto, which means it would not get doubled
contradicts this.
And Sheen is not an on-hit effect.
Whether or not Sheen is an onhit effect doesn't diminish the fact that you needed Rageblade explained to you
LyingOnLine1 votesRageblade passive once stacked up: "Every other basic attack will trigger on-hit effects an additional time"
Me: Sheen doesn't get applied again by Rageblade passive, because it's not an on-hit effect.
You: NO YOU DON'T GET IT RAGEBLADE MECHANICS AREN'T WHAT THEY SAY THEY ARE AND SHEEN MECHANICS AREN'T WHAT YOU THINK THEY ARE
Me: Oooooooooor your basic assumption (that Sheen is an on-hit effect) could be entirely wrong and your explanation of Rageblade mechanics in light of that totally misguided.
You: It doesn't matter that I'm totally wrong, because you needed me to explain that you were wrong so you could point out that I was wrong.
Jbels1 votesRageblade passive once stacked up: "Every other basic attack will trigger on-hit effects an additional time"
Me: Sheen doesn't get applied again by Rageblade passive, because it's not an on-hit effect.
You: NO YOU DON'T GET IT RAGEBLADE MECHANICS AREN'T WHAT THEY SAY THEY ARE AND SHEEN MECHANICS AREN'T WHAT YOU THINK THEY ARE
Me: Oooooooooor your basic assumption (that Sheen is an on-hit effect) could be entirely wrong and your explanation of Rageblade mechanics in light of that totally misguided.
You: It doesn't matter that I'm totally wrong, because you needed me to explain that you were wrong so you could point out that I was wrong.
I was just explaining Rageblade to you, If you want to fly off the handle, that's fine. But I doubt it will amount to much
Penns1 votesJust tested it and it actually does increase life steal + ingame it doesnt say "on hit" in the tooltip... weird lol
LyingOnLine1 votesEmpowered autos, mang.
Penns1 votesCan an on hit effect not apply life steal tho? Cause lol wiki says its an on hit too. Im ingame now so I cant read up lel
LyingOnLine1 votesThe wiki's wrong.
It happens.
EndlessSorcerer1 votesThe terminology is rather confusing and inconsistent.
Physical on-hit effects don't usually apply lifesteal (i.e. Kindred's passive, Bloodrazor) and Blade of the Ruined King is an explicit exception.
"Modified" autoattacks (i.e. Sheen, Xin Zhao's Q, Trundle's Q, Nasus' Q, Draven's Q, etc) will generally have lifesteal applies based on the bonus damage.
However, Xin Zhao's Q is apparently an on-hit effect (since it procs after two autoattacks with Rageblade).
At the moment, you usually need to know how each individual ability works.
Note: I don't believe Modified Autoattacks are an official term or thing. They do reasonably describe a subset of physical damage on-hit effects, but there are exceptions and inconsistencies.
Fed by Snu Snu2 votesI think that, at this point, Riot is just shooting blind and hoping they get something right.
Ralanr2 votesI guess they want to find a way to make Bork weaker without directly changing it.
Idk why though.
Ahristocats2 votesan item is getting a niche
the horror
Penns1 votesAn overpowered item is getting more power*
Ahristocats1 voteslast time i checked -2% damage reduction is not more power
Ninja tabi is being built against ABSOLUTLY every ad in the game this change makes it weaker against most champions while being stronger against bork+on hit effect champions
Penns1 votes-2% dmg reduction < 10% on hit dmg reduction imo tho. Why does it even need compensation?
Cocho1 votestbh if they wanted a niche item for on-hits, tabis isnt it. They ruined a bunch of tank armor items, why not give it to one of those lol