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zarxus1234·Nov 2, 2017·3 votes·391 views

xin zhao one shotting people at level 3... this just never gets old.

want to fix your baby class.. want to balance the game.

13 Comments

SasogwaNov 2, 20174 votes

Uh bruisers are bad atm, except in like.. super low elo

DuskDaUmbreonNov 2, 20171 votes

...Look. I hate Xin too, and everything, but I know he's not one-shotting anyone. He's just chasing them down with no counterplay. There's a big difference.

InfernapeNov 2, 20171 votes

Unless you have negative armour, Xin Zhao isn't going to oneshot anyone.

zarxus1234Nov 2, 20171 votes

irelia and xin just 2v5.. fun game.

zarxus1234Nov 2, 20171 votes

wow shocked the team with the 1v5 champions won the game.

wow the bruisers out damage the carries by a mile. shocked.

very well balanced.

InfernapeNov 2, 20171 votes

Did you know both Xin and Irelia ARE melee carry champions?

Kai GuyNov 2, 20171 votes

So I clicked on your name and looked over your recent posts. Some claims you have made recently. Bruisers 1v5/2v5, WW tower dives and kills at level 3, Xin 1 shots at level 3, Assassins only have delayed burst at level 1 and insta kill you at level 2, Tanks/bruisers are doing the most damage in game and outclass carrys in damage. Galio is 1 shotting people building full tank. Also amumu rammus sej gragas all 1 shot people. Matchmaking is rigged and 40% of your games are unwinnable.

So, this might feel like a bit of me calling you out and to an extent I am, but I want to reassure you my intent here is not to be a dick to some stranger over the internet. You almost exclusively play shaco and your build goes item 3077 item 3706 for your first 2 items pretty much every game. 'm going to take a shot in the dark here, you clear first camps fast from the jib nests, use that quick exp spike to go ham for a FB or early game kill, use that gold to rush so your future ganks have a lil more burst and your clear times are not shit, probably have this done around 4-8 min marker depending on if your able to get some kills, then just hunt for extended lanes, low hp targets, and clear as much as you can when ever you can? not the wrong way to do shaco by any means just its a very binary way of playing that makes a problem (lets say teamfights mid game for example) for you in 1 game a problem for you in every game. Might not be a problem for other champs but your dedicated to only shaco so you need to accept some of the inherent challenges in doing so. Your currently slightly above a 50% win rate on him, well done. However man you need to take into account that perhaps your dedication to 1 tricking a champion whos most would argue is in a bad spot for the meta/overall has some effects on your personal interactions with the games balance.

If you look at shaco you will see that across every elo he takes a real nose dive in win rates for games in the 15 to 25 min markers then gets stronger late game when he is a threat due to his items. A good amount of the tanks and bruisers in the game at this point in the game trend to do 2 things here. 1. they are spiking in power and climbing for rest of game, they have enjoyed being relevant and are slowly falling off but at a much less steep loss of power comparative to Shaco .

I'm a bit jaded on the boards in my expectations for how people respond to conflicting views so I will end this post here with a sincere hope to see a reasonable and logical response for ya. Peace mate.

zarxus1234Nov 2, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=Kai Guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=T9RJWOsw,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2017-11-02T17:11:29.055+0000)

So I clicked on your name and looked over your recent posts. Some claims you have made recently. Bruisers 1v5/2v5, WW tower dives and kills at level 3, Xin 1 shots at level 3, Assassins only have delayed burst at level 1 and insta kill you at level 2, Tanks/bruisers are doing the most damage in game and outclass carrys in damage. Galio is 1 shotting people building full tank. Also amumu rammus sej gragas all 1 shot people. Matchmaking is rigged and 40% of your games are unwinnable.

So, this might feel like a bit of me calling you out and to an extent I am, but I want to reassure you my intent here is not to be a dick to some stranger over the internet. You almost exclusively play shaco and your build goes for your first 2 items pretty much every game. 'm going to take a shot in the dark here, you clear first camps fast from the jib nests, use that quick exp spike to go ham for a FB or early game kill, use that gold to rush so your future ganks have a lil more burst and your clear times are not shit, probably have this done around 4-8 min marker depending on if your able to get some kills, then just hunt for extended lanes, low hp targets, and clear as much as you can when ever you can? not the wrong way to do shaco by any means just its a very binary way of playing that makes a problem (lets say teamfights mid game for example) for you in 1 game a problem for you in every game. Might not be a problem for other champs but your dedicated to only shaco so you need to accept some of the inherent challenges in doing so. Your currently slightly above a 50% win rate on him, well done. However man you need to take into account that perhaps your dedication to 1 tricking a champion whos most would argue is in a bad spot for the meta/overall has some effects on your personal interactions with the games balance.

If you look at shaco you will see that across every elo he takes a real nose dive in win rates for games in the 15 to 25 min markers then gets stronger late game when he is a threat due to his items. A good amount of the tanks and bruisers in the game at this point in the game trend to do 2 things here. 1. they are spiking in power and climbing for rest of game, they have enjoyed being relevant and are slowly falling off but at a much less steep loss of power comparative to .

I'm a bit jaded on the boards in my expectations for how people respond to conflicting views so I will end this post here with a sincere hope to see a reasonable and logical response for ya. Peace mate.

lets go to my last game for example. it was me blitz ryze fizz and jhinn against nasus and olaf.. Nasus and olaf 2v4'd and they started the fight at like 20% health and they won the fight. They would have won a 2v6 at that point. The only reason we were winning team fights was because of udyr. He was taking the most damage while dealing the most damage in the mid game where all the games are decided.

So what if an adc scales later into the game? The games dont get that far. I can look at my match history and see that bruisers and tanks are always at the top of damage done to enemy champions.

The game that triggered me was the ww game. He got down to around 10% health. I q'd in and autod ignite e'd him. And that couldnt kill him? I literally do no damage to bruisers.

There was a game where i was level 11 shaco against a level 10 rammus. The rammus powerballed onto my cait. I started to attack the rammus and i had to run away or else i would have killed myself. How am i suppose to look at that and be like yep thats reasonable. When he would have killed me without even acknowledging im there?

Want to know why i dont complain about adc's? Because i can take advantage of them misplaying. I cant do that with bruisers or tanks.

Lets get back to the point. Games dont really last more than 30 minutes any more and that is where bruisers and tanks thrive the most. And the only solution is to wait for the adc to get enough items to kill them. But before that point bruisers run around and dominate the game.

Kai GuyNov 2, 20171 votes

So that game you guys won and Fizz, ryze, and jhin all out damaged uydr, nasus, and olaf. Yet the enemy jinx did garbage damage. You shure that's the game you want to try to use to prove your point?

You say that Games don't last over 30 min I rushed over it but at a glance it looks like 29 of your last 50 games went over 30. 11 of them ended befor 25, and the remaining 10 are all in-between 25-30. A majority of your matches extend to 30 or longer. Again you need to consider who your main is. Looking at his winrates it seems pretty clear that he drops off in-between 15 to 25 min. 25+ he starts climbing back up.

Your recent games bruisers do more damage to champs? out of the last 20 I can look at over op gg there is 4 to 5 (Yasuo did a item 3022 item 3071 build in one, id count that as bruiser. I don't count Galio building all ap as one however.) tank / bruiser most damage to champs. As an assassin you can abuse adcs, mages, and squishy champions? You struggle with bruisers and tanks and have to wait for your adc to be able to kill them? I'm struggling to avoid sarcastic remarks or the highly inaccurate rock paper scissors analogy here... let me say once again that you should consider looking once more to your main!

First off, no idea what ramus game had cait in it on op gg and I am far to lazy to check each and every match in your history, I see one 6 days ago where your adc was MF. That the one? I feel like your acting surprised that the Anti AD tank does well vs AD damage? Also your at level 11 you say... is that not around the game time I happen to keep claiming that shaco is falling off and hitting his lowest points of gameplay? Hell man lets be real, who cares really because as an assassin ya just don't try to kill healthy tanks solo, Not to tell you how to play your main or anything but wouldn't the play there be to set up an escape jib to fear him as cait backs off and toss a shiv to apply a slow to further assist her escape? if shes dead meat then she dead already and not your job to save her at that point regardless as you really need to collect gold as fast as you can to get thru your painful mid game.

The ww game I see 1 death to him at the 6 min marker. You died to Ekko 5 times that game. That fight vs ww? he had item 3077 finished you had item 1036 x2 He had 3 points in Q you had 2 (hell coulda been 3 woulda have had 0 impact on your damage output) in q and 1 in e. Your have no items that really pump your ratios yet, your points are mostly into the utility ability and you may or may not have gotten back stab or a jack in the box off. Ignite at level 4 that's all of 26 true damage a second over 5 seconds... vs a dude with sustain on his autos built into his passive triggers he is under 50% hp then ramps a 2nd time if he is under 25% to triple power, and its applied with his Q as well. At the risk of being a broken recorded lets try this one more time, look who your main is. Your champ does low damage that point of the game man, and your Q auto put you directly in range for his sustain, your E with one point is not a burst ability best case is 75 with 0.9 AD scaling and all of what... 5 ish damage from ap you got off natural talent mastery. So 1 auto attack with 0 damage boost unless you hit a back stab, about 100 damage from E and ignite, for the fist second, 150 ish after 3 seconds... and you think he should have died why?

zarxus1234Nov 2, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=Kai Guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=T9RJWOsw,comment-id=000500000000,timestamp=2017-11-02T21:15:44.858+0000)

So that game you guys won and Fizz, ryze, and jhin all out damaged uydr, nasus, and olaf. Yet the enemy jinx did garbage damage. You shure that's the game you want to try to use to prove your point?

You say that Games don't last over 30 min I rushed over it but at a glance it looks like 29 of your last 50 games went over 30. 11 of them ended befor 25, and the remaining 10 are all in-between 25-30. A majority of your matches extend to 30 or longer. Again you need to consider who your main is. Looking at his winrates it seems pretty clear that he drops off in-between 15 to 25 min. 25+ he starts climbing back up.

Your recent games bruisers do more damage to champs? out of the last 20 I can look at over op gg there is 4 to 5 (Yasuo did a build in one, id count that as bruiser. I don't count Galio building all ap as one however.) tank / bruiser most damage to champs. As an assassin you can abuse adcs, mages, and squishy champions? You struggle with bruisers and tanks and have to wait for your adc to be able to kill them? I'm struggling to avoid sarcastic remarks or the highly inaccurate rock paper scissors analogy here... let me say once again that you should consider looking once more to your main!

First off, no idea what ramus game had cait in it on op gg and I am far to lazy to check each and every match in your history, I see one 6 days ago where your adc was MF. That the one? I feel like your acting surprised that the Anti AD tank does well vs AD damage? Also your at level 11 you say... is that not around the game time I happen to keep claiming that shaco is falling off and hitting his lowest points of gameplay? Hell man lets be real, who cares really because as an assassin ya just don't try to kill healthy tanks solo, Not to tell you how to play your main or anything but wouldn't the play there be to set up an escape jib to fear him as cait backs off and toss a shiv to apply a slow to further assist her escape? if shes dead meat then she dead already and not your job to save her at that point regardless as you really need to collect gold as fast as you can to get thru your painful mid game.

The ww game I see 1 death to him at the 6 min marker. You died to Ekko 5 times that game. That fight vs ww? he had finished you had x2 He had 3 points in Q you had 2 (hell coulda been 3 woulda have had 0 impact on your damage output) in q and 1 in e. Your have no items that really pump your ratios yet, your points are mostly into the utility ability and you may or may not have gotten back stab or a jack in the box off. Ignite at level 4 that's all of 26 true damage a second over 5 seconds... vs a dude with sustain on his autos built into his passive triggers he is under 50% hp then ramps a 2nd time if he is under 25% to triple power, and its applied with his Q as well. At the risk of being a broken recorded lets try this one more time, look who your main is. Your champ does low damage that point of the game man, and your Q auto put you directly in range for his sustain, your E with one point is not a burst ability best case is 75 with 0.9 AD scaling and all of what... 5 ish damage from ap you got off natural talent mastery. So 1 auto attack with 0 damage boost unless you hit a back stab, about 100 damage from E and ignite, for the fist second, 150 ish after 3 seconds... and you think he should have died why?

it was the level 3 fight..... none of us had items yet.

last game it was nasus one shotting everyone. and galio one shotting everyone. and everyone else was just there.

Kai GuyNov 2, 20171 votes

how? I'm looking at the game that had ww recently, dude had timat at 4 min, killed lulu at 6min and killed you at 6min dude had 1500 ish exp required for level 5 at this point.

Edit, and not even just that man, 5-games at worse bruisers/tanks lead in damage out of 20, no response? Over half of your match history goes over 30min. That galio nasus game your talking about. Your trying to tell me that dudes "1shotting" and has only 6 kills in a 28m game? That nasus, the one who got to lane vs an AP sion ended up being a problem for your team, you expect me to find that shocking? Everybody else was just there? the Lucian and kayne got solid kda and participation for their team. Looks to me like your team got handicapped because your playing an assassin and 2 lanes got snowballed from losing before your able to have any impact on them, and I say this with some confidence that your impact was low because as an assassin you had the lowest damage on your team. Pros and cons, feast and famine. Understand who your playing and accept that your going to be seeing highs and lows inherent with assassins gameplay, and a part of that's the difficulty in dealing with bruisers early game, or killing tanks late game. Stop undervaluing the impact of mages and marksmen just because they are considerably easier for you as an assassin to deal with.

Its fine to play who you like, Its ridiculous to act like it does not impact your teammates or the viability of your comp, its not surprising you have issues playing vs the role that's an issue for the dude your chronically one tricking. Just learn to accept that as part of your champ, and figure out what you need to do successfully to work around it. Do this, talk about this, ask for help with this, Stop going off on the boards and ignoring all logic or evidence that is contrary to your POV.