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Buff steraks/titanic for their target users in preseason please.

MunchCrunchLunch··22 votes·1,779 views

both items are. indeed weak. and do I know how to fix them. maybe. or maybe not. I will not say what I have in mind. but rather. let riot figure a way out to fix these items. steraks gage. in its state. is pathetic. maw is nearly stat efficient. without passive. and is way over efficiency with its passive. however. steraks. is pretty bad. titanic has synergy with a cpl champions. but its bad on juggernauts and champions that generally don't auto attack that much. and even then. its sub optimal. its very expensive. and it isn't a main source of damage and you start building tank on main damage items on bruisers anyway nobody goes full damage on them

I mean. maw was nerfed because ad carries abused it but its still fine. ad carries still buy it and you stopped paying attention to it. now steraks. isn't bought on carries that much. even tho i see it every now and then. but rarely. but generally. the item is not worth it unless you get a triforce. and even then. its meh. why not get a randuins or the duct tape equivalent GA

you know what. I will share what I want to see. a suggestion. that not I made but many people here

make steraks shield scale with bonus hp. this way squishies don't benefit from it. also give it 100 hp back or more since the shield is gonna scale with less hp now. maybe from 30 to 50% bonus hp then.

make titanic bonus on hit damage scale with bonus hp so squishies don't benefit from it. or to completelt fix it. make it give ad based on BONUS . so that a squishie isn't gonna benefit much from getting it but a tank getting some ad isn't bad. ofcourse adjusting some outliers that would abuse individually. instead of the on hit that some champs like master yi double dip on it and its ad. and give it some of its ad back. not 15. but 10 would be good enough.

nobody ever buys these items becuase they are optimal. but because they are the least worse options. even trundle gets ravenous most of the time now. shyvanna is in a bad state really. nobody gets titanic anymore. and steraks is as rare as blue moons.

26 Comments

Critmaster Garen6 votes

problem is, steraks got in many ways double nerfed.

they removed 100 hp from it, which ofc factors into the shield. they also removed health from a lot of other items which adds to the problem.

maybe they should buff the shield strength.

MunchCrunchLunch4 votes

the only item worse than it is probably item 3083 . so bad right now. nobody buys it. even mundo rarely buys it

TotalJerk3 votes

item 3083 is definitely not bad. Mundo doesn't buy it because he doesn't need it, the regen is redundant and he doesn't really need the CDR.

Lovelle4 votes

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item 3083 is definitely not bad. Mundo doesn't buy it because he doesn't need it, the regen is redundant and he doesn't really need the CDR.

Mundo loves CDR and regen (CDR is one of his best stats along with HP). The problem is that pure health on its own isn't good mid-late game anymore. You'll still get burned down by %hp damage. It's better to have items that offer both health and resistances. Even Nidalee can kill Mundo now if she has enough penetration, compared to back in earlier seasons, when it took an entire team just to bring a late game Mundo down to low.

Seenan2 votes

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Mundo loves CDR and regen (CDR is one of his best stats along with HP). The problem is that pure health on its own isn't good mid-late game anymore. You'll still get burned down by %hp damage. It's better to have items that offer both health and resistances. Even Nidalee can kill Mundo now if she has enough penetration, compared to back in earlier seasons, when it took an entire team just to bring a late game Mundo down to low.

Yeah, but mogs back then worked in combat as well iirc. Right now, it's just a health (and CDR) stick in combat, a slower fountain outside of combat. Mundo's passive and mogs old in-combat passive, along with maybe visage and ult makes a lot of regen in and out of combat.

Tomosima5 votes

If it makes sense Riot wont do it.

Sohleks3 votes

Titanic is fine.

Sterakks is in the dumps though

Awoof3 votes

Please use commas and less periods. I like your suggestions but god was it awful to read for me.

HazyCloud72 votes

Neither item needs buffs.

Veraska2 votes

I like your propoaes steraks gage changes. Making it scale with bonus health really helps the items issues

Your proposed changes to titanic hydra im very against tho, making an item give AD for investing in health opens up a lot of champions who should be building offensively (riven, yasuo, fiora) a way to dual invest in offense and defense (this was a problem with titanics ancestor atmas impaler)

MunchCrunchLunch1 votes

i meant bonus hp not all hp for titanic hydra as well. meaning. they'd have to invest in more hp items which would reduce their damage significantly. i think a start would be to revert back to the old S5 black cleaver that gave 500 hp and 35 ad or whatever it was.

Veraska3 votes

Yea i know it doesnt change my opinion on the matter, builds that allow you to scale offensively for defensive stats are going to be broken no matter what

Also i personally like black cleaver as it is (its build path is wonderful)

Tychusfindlay9192 votes

I dont even build steraks on Darius, and he should be among the top and most iconic users of it given his hilariously-high-Huekaiser-level base AD.

Ralanr1 votes

Increasing the scaling damage on titanic would be nice. I don't feel like I'm doing much with only 48 damage AoE around 4K.

I'm probably wrong though.

MunchCrunchLunch4 votes

changing it from total to bonus hp and then increasing the % would make the item healthier and feel better for its users. yeah i agree you get most of the damage on a squishie that gets 2500 hp i mean. so like. you aren't getting the best value for an item your building the WAY it was meant for you to compliment it. makes no sense.

i mean a few months ago. nobody bought ravenous because titanic was superior. now its the other way around . they nerfed it too hard and titanic. from its inception was not worth on juggernauts. it was always better on auto attackers that synergized with both on hit and ad.

Irelia Bot1 votes

item 3053 could be changed to 250 health + 15% bonus health. This would be a nerf as a first item or only health item but a buff to anyone that gets things like warmogs or Omen with Trinity.

item 3156 could have the proc'd passive give extra AD based off of something like 15% Bonus Armor. It should also have the lifesteal/spell vamp changed to the same unique passive that item 3146 for healing based off all damage done.

MunchCrunchLunch1 votes

i mean steraks is the only defense we have against true damage through items. and its not that good. no wait. its pretty bad. its literally extremely bad. unless you have nothing better to build or your extremely fed and dont care othwerise anything else is better. and titanic is just an item that there is always a better option to. its just never a great buy or a core item. just get a sunfire cape if you want to waveclear with a tank / juggernaut now days. its great for that

Critmaster Garen2 votes

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item 3053 could be changed to 250 health + 15% bonus health. This would be a nerf as a first item or only health item but a buff to anyone that gets things like warmogs or Omen with Trinity.

adding a base value to the shield would buff the item mainly for squishies. not a fan. a higher bonus health scaling might be a good idea though.

Irelia Bot1 votes

was talking about for the health

The shield should be based only on bonus health.

Spoofghoul1 votes

titanic fix 500 hp 200% hp regen

Other option would be to go for bonus hp scaling then up the scaling

Or possibly both to really solidify it as a tank/juggernaut option

TotalJerk1 votes

Trundle Kled Olaf RekSai

Yeah, we would all very much appreciate a Titanic Hydra buff.

AcidTheWarlock1 votes

I'd be happy with a Titanic buff. Maybe I'd buy it after Triforce in the build I'm trying to work out.

LordForrest1 votes

Um, you realized that your change to item 3748 giving AD is basically the old Atma's Impaler passive? And that item was nerfed for the synergy between item 3022 and item 3083 at the time. Fratma or Atmogs or even Fratmogs was so strong on several champions who could really abuse it (Garen Gangplank), but was still strong on others that didn't really need the crit chance (DrMundo)

Just so you know the item gave armor, critical strike, and that passive. When it got nerfed enough that it wasn't optimal and the changes to Frozen Mallet and Warmogs saw it just existing. It got removed because of its odd combination of stats and issues it brought.

I am not saying that titanic doesn't need changes, but i wouldn't change it to granting AD based on health because that was proven to be a huge problem on the AD bruisers.

Azlagor1 votes

I think you didn't really get the intention of Titanic. It wasn't ment to help non-aa jugernauts, it was meant to help AA-focused juggernauts/fighters, like Volibear, Reksai or shyvana. That beeing said, i feel like it gives to little health and dps and to much burst on the Active, So it's not that great for tanky dps but rather supports tanky-assasin builts with the huge burst active.

Steraks could use a small buff to the duration and the hitpoints, maybe even increasing the base-ad to 30%, and if needed with a melee only tag. Most of it's intendet user scale with hp in some way aswell as with base-ad. Another option would be the courage of the colossus treatment: Let the shield scale with the number of nearby opponents, so it's not such a powerfull 1v1 item and anti burst tool vs assasins but instead helps melees to survive in teamfights.

Champion Skin1 votes

Yeah the active on Titanic has a lot of power.. probably too much power... with the active being an AA reset + the on-hit damage being 10 times as high (40+10% max hp compared with the passive which is 5 + 1% of max HP on the main target)

If it was supposed to be good on AA champions then it would probably be better if the active didn't give an AA reset with 1 powerful hit but rather increased the on-hit damage (meaning the active is better if you have higher attack speed and or attack resets)

ToxycBanana1 votes

Good points, especially about steraks Why are you afraid of commas though?

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