Where is the line between enjoying the game and ruining other people's experience

Ramen226··1 votes·318 views

Edit: it is about separating different colonies of players. Not about player behavior and moderation so don't remove it from gameplay.

When should a players privilege to interact with a specific group of players be denied to them? It's a pretty broad question but it's been asked so many times you probably already know where I'm going with this.

Blind pick is generally the mode of choice for newer players or people who just want to get into a game quickly with their friends so they can screw around. Some players use it to practice and further their capabilities with higher contested champions because of the lack of a ban phase.

Normal draft is for players who want to play with their friends or try out new champions alongside the simulated ranked system. The primary attraction of this mode is the ability to ban out certain matchups you don't like so that it you can get some real practice without the stress that comes with ranked solo/duo.

Ranked solo/duo is for most commonly used by players who want a competitive environment and to test their skills vs other players who are also going all out. Alternatively, it is used by players who hate the broken matchmaking system of normal draft so they play ranked mode to get more even teams.

Ranked flex is the same as ranked solo/duo except for larger teams. It is more centered around premades that want to test their collective skill as a team rather than as individuals. You can also use it as an alternative to ranked solo/duo because it is where players are more competitive but with better matchmaking (or so im told).

We all agree that players who intentionally ruin everyone else's time shouldn't be allowed to play. League is a privilege not a right. But what I'm curious about is why do we consider league as a whole a privilege, but ranked as a right? Why do people who play ranked without any knowledge of their champion or the game any different than the guy who runs down mid? Not in the sense that they should have the same punishment, but why aren't they separated from the community they ruin?

Intentional feeders and griefers ruin the game for everyone they come in contact with, so they are removed from the community as a whole. So if a player consistently ruins the game for the competitive audience, why are they not separated?

I'm talking about consistency here. Newer or less experienced players who want to try out ranked as soon as they meet the champion pool requirements when they probably don't even know what those champions do?

Now I'm fairly reasonable. I understand that no automated system could prevent this kind of thing. But the entire point of the report system to flag players who don't belong with the community they are trying to infiltrate. Would the competitive community as a whole not benefit from a report system that prevents people from queueing in ranked? Why not have a report system that, when enough players say so, gives you a prompt that says you need more practice in normals before trying out ranked?

This isn't meant to be a "fk the newer players" kind of post. But ranked is not the place to learn how to play league of legends. If players would go into ranked and then go back into normals to practice and refine their champions then maybe it'd be a different story. But how many games of playing poorly or sub optimally does it take before you realize maybe you need more practice before going into ranked?

I don't know. I could be wrong but the truth is kind of blunt here. Having a bad game is one thing. Being inexperienced in a matchup happens to everyone. Picking a champion you don't play very often is stupid, but sometimes the situation warrants it and it can pay off.

If you lose your first 7 ranked games in a row because you lack basic proficiency on the champions you've played for over a year and are consistently the primary cause of your teams loses... maybe ranked isn't for you.

~Signed, someone who is in favor of harsher punishments overall, especially in the designated competitive game modes.

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UltraGigaNiga2 votes

There is no line. Troll as much as you want

Ramen2261 votes

imagine a gif here of the scooby gang unmasking someone saying this

"AHA, it was riot lyte the entire time!"

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

you are in favor of harsher punishments until it happens to you.

the thing is how is a person suppose to know how to play and what to expect in a rank "serious try hard "environment if they never played it? we are all un experienced players at one time. and alot of new players as soon as they hit level 30 wanna jump into rank cuz its new and exciting not fully understanding the game. we all done it. and to say those players who have bad games due to this need to be punished harshly would be wrong.

i get it, its annoying to those who are on the other end of that spectrum but in all reality if you were really that good at the game you woudlnt get placed with new comers unranked players in rank. yes match making isnt perfect, it does happen... but most of the time these players are being placed with/against high bronze to mid lvl silver so the the mmr/elo system can determine a base line for them to see where they need to start.

the match making system (not with out error ) isnt placing a new unranked player in rank in gold/plat games or higher. and part of this is why bronze or silver can be difficult to get out of if you are on the outer /upper edge of the elo but not truly skilled enough to blow through it. but if you improve as a player and get to a skill higher then the one you are in you will climb out it til you dont climb anymore.

i get it. rank is suppose to be a competitive game mode and people wanna prove their might! and climb the fictional ladder. but in all reality its a way for riot to separate the player base on skill of the game to keep players engaged and challenged making them want to play more while having a rewarding gameplay.

for example if this didnt happen and riot placed newbs and low elos vs diamonds and higher two things happen:

  1. the lower/newb skilled player will get highly frustrated with the game by getting their teeth kicked in all game by better players and most likely wont continue to play cuz what would be the point
  2. the higher level players playing vs the newbs/lower skilled gets board cuz the game isnt a challenge or rewarding to play cuz there is no competition. so they get board and leave and play other games

the player base then slowly withers away , players dont play for 2-3-5 years or more and the game slowly dies. so riot has the 'rank mode' to provide a way for the game to be fun and playable for all at all skill levels of the game while providing to get the players to stay and become hooked on the game. because yes over time you do improve so you should be better from the 1st 100 games to your 1000th game. and so on. so when the bronze player makes it to silver 2 they feel a sense of accomplishment then they are like look how i improved ... im gonna grind my way to gold so they play more... watch more about league and pro scene , streams, becomes addicted to league and the "grind" and while a few keep climbing higher and higher, majority of the player base (about 72% last time i looked bronze/silver player base ) will pretty much be average at best at this game. and there is nothing wrong with that. as long as they keep having fun at the game, enjoy playing it and find it challenging and rewarding because in the end of it all its just a video game and entertainment.

http://imgur.com/t6ELSzA

but im all for punishing those who are verbally abusive, uses hate speech flame and rage, "run it down mid" and all the other forms of it to be gone from the game. but not at the expense of those who are just new or just bad trying to have fun and enjoy the game and improve themselves

they dont fall in the same category at all

Ramen2261 votes

Ill try and cover most of what you said and see if we can reach an understanding

I'm in favor of harsher punishments to everyone. Including myself if that's the case. I have ONLY been punished for intense toxicity towards people who shouldn't be playing the game. (people actually running down mid, not just having a bad game / throwing the game / hate speech) if these players would get the punishment they deserved then i could see myself showing toxicity maybe one game a week after a bad losing streak. When players can call me a %%%got for 30 minutes straight (muting them is besides the point i already do that) and know that they won't get punished heavily for it is where the real source of toxicity lies. (heavily meaning account suspension, not just a chat restriction for people who consistently exhibit such behavior)

Sure they need a point at where to start. And i understand that no matter what they will still play ranked prematurely. But if i can keep track of the number of time a morgana hits a bind in a 30 minute game then theres a problem.

Really what im saying is this becuase the rest of what you typed seems to be a misunderstanding. I think it would be beneficial to have an additional report button (being reported this way would not count towards chat restrictions or suspensions btw) for players who are trying to play ranked prematurely. The talon with tier 2 runes that aren't optimizing towards anything shouldn't be allowed to play ranked for a while.

This isn't really a punishment for newer players, but more of a safegaurd against ruining everyone else experience.

If there are 7 other people in a lobby that say you aren't ready for ranked then that shouldn't be ignored. that's all.

Btw this was kind of a rant post. I was in promos to s2 and am on a losing streak because the teams have been heavily skewed against me. Countless games where my team loses turrets before I have any time to be any effect (adc main) and getting unranked support players for the past 15 games who don't understand any of the basics of lol

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

i understand the rant... but if you truly are better then silver and are plat skill you would be there or closer to it... but chances are you are high silver/ fringle lower gold skill... and that is why you are where you are...

nothng wrong with it.. like i stated about rank over all .

maybe one day you might be diamond. but chances are ... not. but it dont matter. play, have fun and enjoy the game

Ramen2261 votes

Whoa i never said i was plat.

Truly i have no idea where i would be if league was consistent. Probably high silver like you said.

The problem is i shouldn't have to have the skill of plat to get to silver 1 you know?

Chønklord1 votes

Honestly, this still belongs in the player behavior boards -- since your subject has to do with player punishments. That's why it's called Player Behavior and Moderation.

Gameplay boards are strictly for game related discussions, e.g. talking about riven mechanics, complaining about the new rune system, or talking about the ban system.

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