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"Offense outscales defense." Not in Garen's case. Late-game Garen's durability outscales offense.

darkdill··2 votes·827 views

Every time I face a Garen late-game, he is the toughest Champion in the game to bring down. High speed, reduces all incoming damage by a large percentage with his W, 20% bonus on any resists he builds, and passive health regeneration that makes Mundo's look like crap. Unless you have a Vayne, he's freaking obnoxious.

Oh, and did I mention he can still deal very competent damage with only a Youmu's Ghostblade and a Sunfire Cape as offense? He can build everything else as tank and have a higher EHP than anyone else, and STILL not be an ignorable team fight threat. And if you bring him down to 1% health? He'll be back up to full in about 30 seconds, without recalling.

I think Garen's last buff, where his passive got hugely buffed for his late-game, makes him too hard to kill. Coupled with a Warmog's Armor and Spirit Visage, he can easily regenerate over 100 HP PER SECOND just by hovering out of combat. And because of all his durability pieces, he can't be bursted without true damage, which only Vayne can provide well against such high health. And lastly, once you've nearly killed him, he just backs off, lets his teammates charge in now that you're on cooldown, and comes back within less than a minute at full power and finishes you off.

Pretty freaking lame...

"Just counterpick him!"

Umm, Team Builder does not permit counterpicks.

"Just kite him!"

Easier said than done compared to a Nasus when he's got a high speed boost and Youmu's Ghostblade to make him fast as all hell.

"Ignore him!"

Can't when I'm Katarina. Youmu's Ghostblade and Sunfire Cape also give him enough damage to require you to deal with him (so say nothing of his ultimate).

Bottom line is, tank Garen makes real tanks like Alistar, Leona, and Rammus look bad.

14 Comments

FiraZig2 votes

Saw a garen just build IE as only damage item and full tank. He was able to just run everyone over with just his spin, and they can't do nothing to him. Adc just dies in like 1 sec it's really strong. I agree with op the champ is strong so much for that "fall off late game garbo". =) =) =) =p

darkdill1 votes

This.

disregardable1 votes

Just kill him early and pressure his lane.

darkdill1 votes

Again, easier said than done if you got a top-lane mismatch. Sion vs. Garen isn't exactly good for Sion.

SEKAI1 votes

No, Sion should win against Garen.

You have your QWE which are better than Garen's in every way if you don't spam and waste your mana, you have way more global presence with teleport, you have better cc and teamfight potential.

Literally Sion is better than Garen in almost every category except probably tankiness. You should win given if you played properly.

darkdill1 votes

Irelia jungle ganks kinda eff'd with that.

SEKAI1 votes

You either kill him early or just completely ignore him if he decides to build pure defense late game.

It's not hard to do both either, he is extremely kitable only just slightly better than Nasus, his early damage really isn't all that impressive anymore and he doesn't scale like, at all.

darkdill1 votes

This Garen built a Ghostblade and Sunfire Cape, so he wasn't pure defense. He still dealt enough to hugely threaten our Draven.

SEKAI1 votes

He is just a meat shield with a silence that's it.

Yer he might get to execute 1 guy in your team alright but the thing is, his kit doesn't scale at all so Garen is actually in a position where he really can't use his ulti often because it will cripple his own team's gold income where they scale.

When Garen dives, you just have a peeler to deal with him then the rest go straight to the back and secure objectives instead of chasing him and leading to your entire team getting aced.

darkdill1 votes

Considering I was Katarina, ignoring Garen is impossible when he doesn't Q unless it's to hit me.

GloriousKaiser1 votes

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Every time I face a Garen late-game, he is the toughest Champion in the game to bring down. High speed, reduces all incoming damage by a large percentage with his W, 20% bonus on any resists he builds, and passive health regeneration that makes Mundo's look like crap. Unless you have a Vayne, he's freaking obnoxious.

Don't feed Garen, he has to snowball since his buffed lategame is still mediocre compared to let's say, Darius.

Oh, and did I mention he can still deal very competent damage with only a Youmu's Ghostblade and a Sunfire Cape as offense? He can build everything else as tank and have a higher EHP than anyone else, and STILL not be an ignorable team fight threat. And if you bring him down to 1% health? He'll be back up to full in about 30 seconds, without recalling.

His damage comes from you people not bothering to keep him off of your carries. If you honestly can't chase him down, he either built full tank or everyone on your team is Mordekaiser .

I think Garen's last buff, where his passive got hugely buffed for his late-game, makes him too hard to kill. Coupled with a Warmog's Armor and Spirit Visage, he can easily regenerate over 100 HP PER SECOND just by hovering out of combat. And because of all his durability pieces, he can't be bursted without true damage, which only Vayne can provide well against such high health. And lastly, once you've nearly killed him, he just backs off, lets his teammates charge in now that you're on cooldown, and comes back within less than a minute at full power and finishes you off.

Why don't we see more Garen then? If he's so GOOD, why aren't we seeing him?

Pretty freaking lame...

"Just counterpick him!"

Umm, Team Builder does not permit counterpicks.

He's a goddamn niche and not even competent at that. If you're a melee caster (LIKE Katarina ), of course he'll wreck you if you try to fight, but if you have blinks, well USE EM.

"Just kite him!"

Easier said than done compared to a Nasus when he's got a high speed boost and Youmu's Ghostblade to make him fast as all hell.

You literally need 2 slows, 1 hard cc, or intelligence to keep him off you. He blows that Q, he'll be walking at that slow speed, while you and your friends go get kool-aid.

"Ignore him!"

Can't when I'm Katarina. Youmu's Ghostblade and Sunfire Cape also give him enough damage to require you to deal with him (so say nothing of his ultimate).

Yes you can, stop jumping near him, let him waste his precious abilities. Also, what did you expect? Katarina does damage using abilities and needs to get a bit close to deal damage. Garen can silence people at melee range. You do the science.

Bottom line is, tank Garen makes real tanks like Alistar, Leona, and Rammus look bad.

He can't peel for his own team properly. His lockdown potential is nada compared to those real tanks. I don't see the problem. But oh he makes those tanks look bad. That implies that he can do their job better.

MOOOVE OVER Alistar YOUR KNOCKUP AND KNOCKBACK ARE CHILD'S TOYS COMPARED TO HIS Q!!!

darkdill1 votes

So you want me, as Kat, to never fight and thus get reported?

GloriousKaiser1 votes

Yes. Because your job as an assassin is to kill squishies and get resets. Ask the team for help in getting into their backline. Why should you as Kat fight Garen when you can gibb their weaker targets and get resets? If Garen is the only one left, that means he failed to peel for his team, letting your team get to them. Like I said, he wasn't a good peeler to begin with.

Drunk Rummate1 votes

If he builds full tank he's useless. Offers nothing outside of a single target silence and execute on relatively long cooldowns. If he doens't build full tank then he dies just as quickly as any other tanky frontliner.

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