Sylas ult and Leblanc/Karma/Nida/Jayce/Elise/Shyvanna

Linna Excel··4 votes·14,971 views

Out of curiosity, what happens when Silas hits leblanc with his ult since it copies one of her spells? Likewise, how does it work with karma's powerup? Or one of the form transformation ults?

It seems like there are a bunch of ults he shouldn't be able to use properly. Take orianna, her ult depends on her big ball. Sylas doesn't have any balls to ult off of. So what happens if he hits orianna? Likewise how would spray and pray work?

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ModDaenrysTargaryen4 votes

https://twitter.com/J0hnd0euf/status/1082686324627390466 here is what you are asking about :), that is a link btw not just a picture

Linna Excel2 votes

I can't open your link because the preview put the continue part below the bottom of my screen. Is anyone else having that problem?

Lunaranul1 votes

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I can't open your link because the preview put the continue part below the bottom of my screen. Is anyone else having that problem?

You can open it by just clicking the image itself.

Linna Excel1 votes

Okay, that sort of works for me but it opens it up in a new tab and the old tab is still borked.

Lunaranul3 votes

https://twitter.com/Spideraxe30/status/1082676563617943553

This answers most of them, I think. (Seriously, is there any way to link a Twitter post in a way that's not just the person's avatar?)

The one I'm curious about is Kalista.

Linna Excel1 votes

Kalista is another interesting case. I mean does he fling the champ she made a bargain with back into the enemy team or does he grab a random teammate of his own?

Hammermancer2 votes

He gets the shitty melee form of nidalee with improper items/runes no execute from spear and keeps his ult XD

On My Kill List1 votes

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He gets the shitty melee form of nidalee with improper items/runes no execute from spear and keeps his ult XD

my guess is he converts a portion of the enemy champs ratio into his own.

Aminumbra2 votes

Here is a (I hope) exhaustive list of champions that may cause a few problems :

Annie Does it stun ? Does it enrages ? If yes : how ? Blitzcrank What about the passive (lightnings) ? Corki Can he store missiles ? Darius Reset ? Elise Obvious reasons. Fiora Can he proc the Duelist Marks ? Gangplank Which evolution ? (probably the one owned by GP when Sylas stole the ultimate) Gnar Can he use it without being "Mega Gnar" ? Heimerdinger Obvious reasons. Jax What about the passive (3-autos) Jayce Obvious reasons. Kalista Obvious reasons. Karma Obvious reasons. Kennen Is Sylas able to stun ? Leblanc Obvious reasons. Mordekaiser Does it work on the Drake too ? Does it produce a Ghost when the ennemy dies ? Nasus Reduced Q CD ? Nidalee Obvious reasons. Orianna No ball to cast the ultimate. Pyke Does it share golds ? Reset ? RekSai Marked ennemies ? Riven Does he gain AA range ? Shyvana Does he dash and gain HP/AA range ? Swain How many stacks does he start with ? Syndra Does he cast the R with only 3 balls, or all the ones on the battlefield ? Twitch Does he gain 300 range ? Do his attacks go through ennemies ? Udyr Obvious reasons. Vayne Does he gain movement speed ? Velkoz Does he do true damages after 3 marks ? Viktor Which evolution ? (probably the one owned by Viktor when Sylas stole the ultimate) Zed Does he gain permanent AD ?

For the other champions, I do not see any problems.

Linna Excel1 votes

Good list. I'd also add Cho's growth on kill to the list.

As an aside, this ult probably took a ton of work from the devs to get into a releasable state and I think it's going to be a nightmare for the balance team. I really hope it's worth it.

Oleandervine1 votes

Against LeBlanc, he'll obviously be able to mimic one of his abilities. Nothing about her ultimate makes it contingent on anything special in her design or kit. He presses R, steal her ultimate. Uses like his Q, then uses his R to mimic his Q. Not too complicated to understand.

Karma, Nidalee, Elise, Jayce, and other transformers will obviously not have their ults stolen, since Sylas has no way for his kit to function with it. It'll be like trying to take Nimbus Cloak on them or Zombie Poro in ARAM - it will do nothing because the game isn't set up to allow it.

Shyvana, however, is a different animal because on her ult cast, she transforms and lunges in a direction with CC, giving her transformation an active effect that exists beyond just changing her kit. I believe he'll be able to use that function when he presses R with her ult stolen, but like the others, he can't change his state.

mzicio1 votes

He is shown using Shyvana's ultimate in the trailer so yes, you're right.

Lunaranul1 votes

Also, any AD ratios on ultimates are converted partially into AP ratios when Sylas hijacks them, so you don't need to worry about itemization.

AIQ1 votes

I'd assume some ults just don't work well. Like Nidalee or Jayce Wouldn't be surprised if there was a VO dedicated to using those like... "Well this is useless." Adding some skill expression and counter-play.

Transforming ults with effects such as Shyvana most likely only allows him to use the Dash/Larger size/ Small CC / HP and unstoppable effect. And not the extra benefits like the empowered E.

Champions like Leblanc is either he can use one of his own twice, or the one LB is currently sitting on when he ults.

Champions with charges before they can ult like Swain I have no idea other than just giving it to him for free.

Kalista? Only thing I can imagine for her is that he preemptively gets a black spear to use at the start of the game in case he wants to steal her ult.

Stealing Aatrox/Zilean /Taric / Kayle will be busted please don't play these champs into him.

Illabethe1 votes

If Sylas ults a champ with a transformation ult, or a cooperative ult, he just won't be able to use it entirely, or at all. He will have to choose a different ult (hence why his ult has the option to switch which ult he hijacks as long as it is off cooldown)

If he steals Nidalee's ult, he will not get her accompanying skills. He will just turn into the Cougar. If he steals Illaoi's ult, he will get the immediate damage from dropping it, but he won't be able to use the tentacles.

I don't know about LeBlanc's. They may have programmed it to where he can mimic his own skills, but unlikely.

Jayce won't activate. Shyvana won't activate (He has no Fury, so he can't charge it, and a large part of her ult involves post dash behaviors)

I think all this is part of the point: Sylas won't be a swiss army knife. Some ults are not meant to be stolen, which is part of the "Balance" of the champion.

Raiku Kawisa1 votes

Jayce won't activate. Shyvana won't activate (He has no Fury, so he can't charge it, and a large part of her ult involves post dash behaviors)

Incorrect on the Shyvana part. He gains her full kit, they use his mana bar as 'Fury' for the duration of the ult. (his mana from the moment before he transformed is restored when he reverts)

Lightning2222221 votes

played him a bit on the pbe, i do have some awnsers for some of them. The transformation ones like nidalee and jayce give him copies of their abilities (not passive, he keeps his original passive) until he re-transforms again. he does gain the Cho ult health if he kills something with it as well. From what it looks like, he gains all the benefits from the ult, so if for example annie's ult, he cant stun with it because it doesn't state it in the ult, its in her passsive, but something like the health off of cho's ult does come into play because its in his ult. hope this helps, sorry if I didn't cover everything

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