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Don't Give In: We Want Solo Queue

ToBeSomebody··388 votes·8,255 views

We've all seen the gamut of complaints/concerns/solutions regarding the replacement of Solo Queue and Ranked 5s by Dynamic Queue. I recently came across a thread with very valid points that was prefaced with "I know you've heard all of this before but I felt I had to put my two cents in."

And he's absolutely right to feel that. We all should. Don't stop voicing your complaints just because you think they've been heard before. That's exactly what Riot wants: for all of the valid complaints to die out so they can pretend there isn't a problem anymore. Isn't that all Dynamic Queue is anyway? A way to ignore their problems?

  • Boosting. It's widespread and difficult to target. Solution? Dynamic Queue. It's not 'boosting' anymore, it's just playing premades with your very good friends on their smurfs. Problem solved ignored.
  • Toxicity. There are countless reports filed every day pointing to just how toxic players are in their games. Solution? Dynamic Queue. Chances are likely that friends who queue together won't report each other. With 4/5 players on a team queued together, that's 80% less reports. Less reports = less toxicity. Problem solved ignored.

And this is all stuff you've almost certainly heard before. The problem is it's clear that Riot hasn't heard it yet. Don't let them ignore it. Don't let them ignore us. Don't stop voicing your opinions because you think they've already been heard, because they haven't, not by the people who need to hear them.

Bring Solo Queue Back.

207 Comments

MuyAstuto83 votes

#1 problem is the loss of competitive integrity on the ranked ladder. In season 5 being challenger may have meant pro play, now it may just mean you're a boosted animal.

Amatęrasu17 votes

This guy knows!

TheDelighted8 votes

Quick, we need some data to back up DQ... the earth is round and DQ has reduced toxicity! http://imgur.com/dv6BbgW

rtbf2256182413 votes

And imaqtpie can go fuck himself with that phrase. I keep hearing that shit everywhere now.

Jonxx1 votes

Agreed, it's getting a bit annoying. Way overused.

The Whamboozler7 votes

If the shoe fits...

Alüe54 votes

(6 months ago) URGENT NEWS

  • League has been diagnosed with a terminal illness!

  • Common name is Dynamic queue

  • Estimated time time to live? unkown....

  • the end is near!

Galois2 votes

League had always had another illness called the community.

GayFluffyUnicorn2 votes

As if CoD, BF,Fifa, Dota, CS and several other games have a better community.... Gaming in general is occupied by retarded ragekids

Murderoticadam3 votes

Doctor! We need to inject 10 CC's of reality into the Riot Staff... Stat!"

The Deckowner44 votes

Isn't the biggest issue loss of ranked integrity?

It makes no sense to give INDIVIDUAL RATING to people who PLAY IN A PREMADE, and compare them to people who play INDIVIDUALLY.

Peoples Champ9 votes

I knew something was up when I'm solo queuing in plat3 and constantly running into people that have little to no idea what theyre doing. Just plain awful decision making, can't cs, don't know how to play against counter matchups, adcs that can't auto and walk, adcs that just plain run whenever anyone gets remotely near them, players that run away while enemy cds are down and then turn around to fight them once their cds are up, junglers dying to jungle camps, and adcs that never get blue trinket. I know plat3 isn't that high of an elo but it's high enough for players to at least have some common sense and know how to play their roles. This definitely wasn't the case before season 6. The worse thing about it is that you can't even say anything because if you do they will report you for being toxic even though it's more than obvious that they were boosted.

Tempist6 votes

+1

This is my biggest issue with dynamic queue. More than any complaints about matchmaking or whatnot, is ranked integrity. Allowing premades to rank with solo players, and giving all the players an individual rank, is ridiculous. It is a failure at the fundamental level, which is why I so dislike the concept of dynamic queue for ranked play.

At the very least Riot should have implemented a voice chat feature so that solo players could somewhat match the coms of the premades. Not that this solves the above problem. But it is, I feel, pretty damn hypocritical to create a dynamic queue system for a so called team game, and not have voice coms built in.

The Deckowner3 votes

Even having voice communication built in won't solve the problem, synergy and recognition of each other's voice means even wih voice com solos won't be anywhere near the communication premades have.

They said they are investing on making one tho.

Kill 991 votes

I don't understand. I thought in solo que you could que with a friend. Generally most people did. So did this effect ranked integrity? I've only played 1 year before taking a year off. Was there a time where there was only a pure solo que?

The Deckowner2 votes

Previously you can play with 1 friend, yes, but Rito used to discourage people duoing, and you get punishment for being in a premade by getting less lp and getting matched against people with higher mmr than you. Also not many people chose to duo because rito discouraged it, but now so many people play in a premade bcause they get such huge advantage.

Also 3man or 4man premade has much more impact in a game than a duo.

Kill 991 votes

So then it seems the argument is more about premades having an advantage in que and less about smurfing and boosting. Would you consider this a team based game or a solo player based game? To achieve victory does it require a team to coordinate and work together, or is victory simply achieved through individual skill?

Blanchimont2 votes

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So then it seems the argument is more about premades having an advantage in que and less about smurfing and boosting. Would you consider this a team based game or a solo player based game? To achieve victory does it require a team to coordinate and work together, or is victory simply achieved through individual skill?

I think it's unfair to pit 5 solo players against a premade team. 5 random Diamond players against a team like TSM would be a ridiculous match up under any circumstance. That's why they had Ranked Teams before, so that this doesn't happen. But now, they basically have a weird mix of Solo Queue and Ranked Teams and hoping it works.

Kill 991 votes

Well that is a very good point. Yet that point seems to deviate for the two most pressing issues: boosting, and forcing people to play a role they didn't que up for.

That points underlying issue is that other team up while a small minority doesn't. So the question is: why doesn't individuals team up?

I guess I can't understand the concept that queing solo in a team sport tests your individual ability. To me this is the definition of a person that is not a team player. Where as people that are team oriented prioritize team winning and excelling over individual efforts.

Blanchimont2 votes

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Well that is a very good point. Yet that point seems to deviate for the two most pressing issues: boosting, and forcing people to play a role they didn't que up for.

That points underlying issue is that other team up while a small minority doesn't. So the question is: why doesn't individuals team up?

I guess I can't understand the concept that queing solo in a team sport tests your individual ability. To me this is the definition of a person that is not a team player. Where as people that are team oriented prioritize team winning and excelling over individual efforts.

Because it requires commitment to a permanent team, and that in itself is a problem with Riot's system. The team roster is extremely small with quite heavy restrictions, especially if your friends have irregular play patterns. I'd be lucky to get more than 2 others online on any given day and only 1 of them is actually close to my elo/MMR. I'd support a fully committed 5v5 over some half assed system in the middle though.

Kill 991 votes

Ok that makes a lot of sense. I can tell you from my stand point at the Bronze Hell level, DQ is a blessing. Bronze is plagued with afk's, dc's, and just plain troll that have given up but still decide to do ranked.

Would you think a compromise such as allowing DQ all the way until the Gold I division would work for all? Then at Gold I and above it is only a pure SQ. I haven't been at the higher levels but I am pretty sure at Platinum and above you have less issues about afk,dc, trolling. Thoughts?

Blanchimont2 votes

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Ok that makes a lot of sense. I can tell you from my stand point at the Bronze Hell level, DQ is a blessing. Bronze is plagued with afk's, dc's, and just plain troll that have given up but still decide to do ranked.

Would you think a compromise such as allowing DQ all the way until the Gold I division would work for all? Then at Gold I and above it is only a pure SQ. I haven't been at the higher levels but I am pretty sure at Platinum and above you have less issues about afk,dc, trolling. Thoughts?

I still think Dynamic and Solo Queue needs to be kept separate. Dynamic Queue should be a replacement for 5v5 Ranked Teams, not a replacement for Solo Queue. Solo Queue should be changed to purely individuals grouping up. Even at Platinum levels, there are AFKs, DCs, and trolling. They are less frequent because there are fewer players at those levels while there are tons more at say Bronze.

Kill 991 votes

I think this is where we come at an impasse and probably why devs won't listen to you. If you're not willing to compromise then there is no point for them to. They already said the SQ qq is a small minority. That DQ has been met with overwhelming support. So what incentive do they have to change things if a small minority is so unwilling to seek a solution for all players? Being intractable never solves anything.

Blanchimont3 votes

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I think this is where we come at an impasse and probably why devs won't listen to you. If you're not willing to compromise then there is no point for them to. They already said the SQ qq is a small minority. That DQ has been met with overwhelming support. So what incentive do they have to change things if a small minority is so unwilling to seek a solution for all players? Being intractable never solves anything.

Riot is the one who is unwilling to seek a solution for all players. They are the ones who flat out refused to bring Solo Queue back despite Riot Lyte saying that it was supposed to be released. They did not even tell us that they were not bringing Solo Queue back until very late. I found out from a Korean source that we were not getting Solo Queue back and they even hid it in their Dynamic Queue update. Riot is the one who refuses to budge on this. This is why the players are reacting now, because Riot is flat out refusing to make any compromises with their Dynamic Queue.

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/features/dynamic-queue-and-future-league

My compromise is this. Like I said before, make Dynamic Queue a replacement for Ranked Teams since Ranked Teams doesn't exist right now. Ranked Teams was the place for large groups and Dynamic Queue would make it so that even randoms can play Ranked Teams. It would not only provide a way for people to find similarly skilled players, but also a way for people to experience what it would be like to play on a Ranked Team. They would have to lift the restrictions on 4 man and 5 man premades though. However, Dynamic Queue is not a replacement for Solo Queue and never should have been. Solo Queue still needs to exist separately, but Riot seems to be unwilling to move on that fact either. Their solution is just "here's a badge," which does nothing at all to address the main issues.

Dynamic Queue has failed in practice to deliver on anything that it has promised. Match ups as Silver are absolutely disgusting with fresh out of Bronze Silver 5 players being matched with as high as Gold 3. Premades are a significant problem and a group of 3 or more has a statistically significant impact on the outcome of the game. It has only made by Solo Queue experience exponentially worse.

KING ATTILA25 votes

We want Solo Queue!!!!

Mob Serpent22 votes

The war never dies. We want solo q. I hate playing with a trio who legit has the teamwork of Patrick, Sandy, and Mr. Crabs.

franticFurball8 votes

Time to admit the mistake that was made, and no, I am not talking about Dynamic Garbage at this point any more...because that would be like "admitting" that gravity exists.

No, I'm talking about the refusal to give back soloQ.

JnFnRu6 votes

Is there anything worse than having a game with 4 premades as a solo player who do not speak to you at all and just do what they want?!?!?!

I don't know how riot thinks the solo experience in this game is because it is terrible and frustrating.

Grandpa Chaddie2 votes

agreed, I hate getting placed with premades, either they all suck or they're ok but zero communication ever. [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

YJRBqwXJcS5 votes

Bump

Electric Buyers4 votes

And of course more people are playing ranked than ever before, because using premades are a borderline necessity now.

Eevee In A Jar8 votes

Or rather more people are playing ranked than ever because this is the time you (general you) can rank up even if you are bad so you can talk shit to that one guy who wronged you at forums even though you were the one who was wrong.

Obungo 2 votes

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Eevee In A Jar3 votes

At least give a reasonable arguing point and be like "Guys it's OK. They aren't going to bring it back cuz they suck."

Obungo 2 votes

Riot clearly stating that its not coming back should be enough.

Eevee In A Jar18 votes

You wanna know what Riot also said for 6 years? "We will not implement 3-5 man premade into rank queues outside of Team Rank Queue as it destroys the integrity of competition and fairness of ranked."

Blanchimont9 votes

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You wanna know what Riot also said for 6 years? "We will not implement 3-5 man premade into rank queues outside of Team Rank Queue as it destroys the integrity of competition and fairness of ranked."

They also said Solo Queue would be coming in a few weeks a few months ago.

Leetri1 votes

People change, simple as that. It's stupid to think someone should have the same exact values and opinions for several years. You know what else Riot said they'd never implement 3 years ago? Voice chat. Yet they are working on it right now.

GayFluffyUnicorn3 votes

Well if they are actually working on it i have finally a reason to leave this game.

Dextix LT4 votes

Don't worry. Them "working on it" means Soon(tm) at best cases......

I mean, tribunal is still being "worked on".

We Eat Fish4 votes

Nah man they already have a solution. They're gonna give us emblems. That will fix everything. Lol.

GayFluffyUnicorn5 votes

Yeah i'm waiting for the badge of shame so i can legit call out boosted animals before the game even starts :D

Peoples Champ2 votes

I honestly wouldn't mind the ribbon but only if they brought back the reported for unskilled option. If someone was getting reported for unskilled often while having a premade ribbon, then that would just be hard evidence that they were being boosted.

Karn Bishop3 votes

Whats that? getting scared that this is not just a rage complaint phase and is not going away? that we have legitimate complaints and wish to be heard and fixed? boy shame on us for being upset about them screwing us over and standing up for it, well i guess if more people had your attitude we would still have slaves, be ruled by the british, executed by the church for pointing out the worlds not flat, ect ect ect.

Obungo 1 votes

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GayFluffyUnicorn3 votes

Just be honest and admit you are scared that when DynQ is gone you can't get boosted to gold anymore. Looking at your op.gg profile is enough :^)

GayFluffyUnicorn4 votes

Btw before u say you don't get boosted: Looking at your premades, i randomly picked one. What a surprise it'sa new account, stomping through gold with a 90% winrate and 5,0 KDA. Definitely not a smurf boosting u :^)

Oblivein2 votes

I just looked at his account and he plays with the same 1-3 people according to na.op.gg....And they are all the same rank as him and have been playing since season 2....Not to mention that he does relatively good in his games, and he nor his friends are "stomping through gold."

Really dude? Douchebag move......

GayFluffyUnicorn2 votes

i won't even bother discussing. Just take a closer look. He played with 10 people in his last games. Just open your eyes

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