@Mortdog: You either lied or were misinformed (BE Values)

ToBeSomebody·11/13/2017, 6:10:52 PM·115 votes·19,372 views

When the preseason changes went live, you posted what was supposed to be an informative breakdown of how the new Blue Essence (BE) system works compared to the old IP system.

You can find that post here; however, I'm going to highlight one section of that post regarding the actual amount of IP earned in the old system when compared to experience in the new system:

  • First win of the Day was worth 150 IP, and is now worth 575 XP.

  • A 37 Minute Game of PVP SR you WON was worth ~100 IP, and is now worth 251 XP.

  • A 37 Minute Game of PVP SR you LOST was worth ~67 IP, and is now worth 205 XP.

Looking at the numbers (and the rest of your example) it seemed clear enough that you guys had put plenty of thought into this. I didn't actually think to check the values myself, though someone else did. Listed in the comments below was this:

Your numbers are WAY OFF!

I checked the games I played day before the patch, how much IP I gained for wins/losses in both SR and ARAM including game length.

For a 35min game I won in SR, I earned 123 IP. A 33min game that I LOST in SR gave me 77IP

The user posts a screenshot as well to validate their claims. Myself and others checked our histories and saw the same thing: values that were between 12-30% higher than what you claimed they were supposed to be. You used the ~ indicator for your numbers so I know we could expect some variation, but in every example your numbers were lower, and by a considerable amount.

Yet you haven't been back around to explain what the discrepancy is. I saw a few comments offering explanations, and I also know that the value of the lowest capsule is going to be raised, and that you plan to add in BE for first win bonuses.

But I'd like to hear it from you:

Were you lying? Were you misinformed? What's the reason for posting something with numbers that were so easily proven to be false?

94 Comments

RiotRiot Mortdog11/13/2017, 9:00:50 PM71 votes

Hey. I mentioned this on Reddit, but thanks for giving me the opportunity to do so here as well.

The IP formula has always been as I described. You can verify that here: http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Influence_Points

Unfortunately for us, around October 26th, until Pre-season, we shipped a bug that increased the IP given. If you check matches before that date, you will see that follow the expected formula.

As for why that bug happened, honestly I'm not really sure, and it hasn't been a priority to figure out since it hardly matters now. It certainly wasn't the best timing for it >_<.

But I was neither lying, nor was I misinformed.

Heartnettz11/13/2017, 6:16:46 PM49 votes

God.. why are they complicating such a simple mistake.

Yes, the new rewards system sucks. But what is killing me and pissing off the rest of the community is the fact they can fix the problem with such a simple solution. Just keep everything as it is and start rewarding players BE after every game just like you did with IP.

Why can’t Riot solve such a simple problem before people start getting frustrated and leave the vame for feeling they’re not getting rewarded accordingly.

Stexe11/13/2017, 8:35:56 PM11 votes

You were looking at data from the last patch. They accidentally made IP value higher in the last patch or few before they changed to the new system.

Check back for data a few months ago.

Ser Arthur Dank11/13/2017, 11:14:28 PM5 votes

Getting champion level to 6 / 7 should not cost blue essence... What is the point of that if you achieve the S ratings it should not cost you that much blue essence to level up something that should be free and automatic. RIOT PLS

redniwediS11/13/2017, 6:15:07 PM5 votes

While I would like an answer to this I'm not sure leaving an accusation out in the open is the best way to attract the attention of a willing Rioter. They are people and don't want to catch flak on every other thread.

That said my bet is there are other factors at play in the old IP system, and purely based on game length the numbers provided are correct.

MonkeyMadness11/14/2017, 12:35:56 AM3 votes

idk why people are still surprised. Riot Games has long since gone the way of EA. All they care about is their bottom line, and fuck the players that put them on the map in the first place if it can get them more money.

Baron of Bread11/13/2017, 8:49:08 PM2 votes

Someone already talked about what was going on there in the post itself, seen here.