has massive damage output.
true damage on Auto attackers with 2.5 AS?I've never seen damage output as massive as what some ADC's are dishing out right now and so early on to! What a disaster this bot lane diversity plan has turned out to be so far.
SugeMinPikk8 votesADCs will never be bad; not for long, at least. Because ADC mains cry the loudest. The amount of QQ over the scuttle changes was nothing compared to the constant droning of ADC tears lmao
Shukr4n3 votesCry the loudest?
Were u offline when tank meta, everylne complained, ardent meta everyone complained, assassin meta everyone complained? Maybe
SugeMinPikk2 votesMage mains are a close second. Guess which two groups are affected the most by those 3 metas..
Shukr4n2 votesSquishies
vgamedude5 votesCry the loudest?
Were u offline when tank meta, everylne complained, ardent meta everyone complained, assassin meta everyone complained? Maybe
What a joke. Even pro adc players cry like in 17, adc mains are by far the loudest minority of players. But they're not much of a minority considering the ridiculous amount of people who play bot lane, and how many people want to keep their right click outplay strong.
Shukr4n2 votesI forgot last time a category of players was kicked out the game. If u can highlight me...[zombie-brand-clap]
SugeMinPikk5 votesADC is a class of champions. Bot lane is a role. The ADC class had a monopoly over the bot lane role. Bot lane players refuse to learn how to play multiple classes of champions. Guess what literally every other role needs to do?
Top laners have to know how to play battlemages, tanks, bruisers, and carries.
Mid laners have to know how to play mages, assassins, tanks, and bruisers.
Junglers have to know how to play assassins, fighters, tanks, and carries.
Supports have to know how to play tanks, healbots, and mages.
Bot laners now have to know how to play ADCs, bruisers, and mages.
Shukr4n2 votesVayne quinn top lucian varus mid Etc.
Monopoly.
Ok
SugeMinPikk4 votesDo you even understand what "monopoly over ____" means..?
Shukr4n2 votes7years of playstyle?
SugeMinPikk2 votes"ADC had a monopoly over bot lane" means NOTHING ELSE WAS ALLOWED TO GO BOT. It has nothing to do with whether or not ADCs can go elsewhere.
Firebeard1 votesADC is a class of champions. Bot lane is a role. The ADC class had a monopoly over the bot lane role. Bot lane players refuse to learn how to play multiple classes of champions. Guess what literally every other role needs to do?
Top laners have to know how to play battlemages, tanks, bruisers, and carries.
Mid laners have to know how to play mages, assassins, tanks, and bruisers.
Junglers have to know how to play assassins, fighters, tanks, and carries.
Supports have to know how to play tanks, healbots, and mages.
Bot laners now have to know how to play ADCs, bruisers, and mages.
That's the exact problem though. The game is too old for that kind of change to go well. As an ADC main myself I can attest, that the marksman playstyle is the only one that draws me. Ezreal/Lucian is as caster as I like to get, and because of this heavy emphasis of a certain style of play, mages are a tough pill to swallow. I am a Varus main since season 4, whatchu mean I have to learn how to play Vladamir? Whatchu mean I have to pick up heimerdinger? Whatchu mean I have to learn Yasuo? None of them play in any regard similarly to what I have been doing for the past 5+ years. Marksmen are only marksmen with very little deviation (this deviation being stuff like AP varus, lethality/poke Varus, AP Ezreal Etc.) and teaching an old dog new tricks is a lot tougher than you may think. Had mages and bruisers played alongside marksmen as bot lane carries since the establishment of the bot lane meta near the end of season 1 then we wouldn't have this culture shock problem today, and bot lane players would probably be a ton more diverse. This isn't the case, and so we shouldn't be expected to instantaneously be on the same level of diversity as every other role.
Automated Riven1 votesAdc isn't a class tho. They are called markmen.
Adc was used just as often for the position as what it was for the class.
Warlord Rhinark1 votesI forgot last time a category of players was kicked out the game. If u can highlight me...[zombie-brand-clap]
With all the Conqueror + Black Cleaver Bruisers dominating top, along with Infinity Edge now dealing true damage, Blade of the Ruined King being a cheaper item and Last Whisper being changed for 35% Bonus Armor Pen to 35% Total Armor Pen, Tanks are barely playable right now.
That's one for you.
Every (strong) Enchanter in the game got their shield durations nerfed, heal/shield power on items nerfed, and their support items now cost more.
They've all been replaced by Brand this and Zyra that.
That's another one for you.
And Immobile Mages midlane get completely buttfucked by Assassins who can 100-0 at level 6 with just the base damage off of Electrocute and Ignite.
That's another one for you.
But have all these been addressed? No.
Have ADCs been addressed? Yes.
Shukr4n1 votes[{quoted}](name=Warlord Rhinark,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=RoYPo1Gu,comment-id=00000000000100000001,timestamp=2018-08-03T06:50:15.725+0000)
With all the Conqueror + Black Cleaver Bruisers dominating top, along with Infinity Edge now dealing true damage, Blade of the Ruined King being a cheaper item and Last Whisper being changed for 35% Bonus Armor Pen to 35% Total Armor Pen, Tanks are barely playable right now.
That's one for you.
Every (strong) Enchanter in the game got their shield durations nerfed, heal/shield power on items nerfed, and their support items now cost more.
They've all been replaced by Brand this and Zyra that.
That's another one for you.
And Immobile Mages midlane get completely buttfucked by Assassins who can 100-0 at level 6 with just the base damage off of Electrocute and Ignite.
That's another one for you.
But have all these been addressed? No.
Have ADCs been addressed? Yes.
Ate we discussing bronze meta, diamond meta or lcs/challenger meta?
Warlord Rhinark1 votesAte we discussing bronze meta, diamond meta or lcs/challenger meta?
I'm not sure I understand the question.
I'm talking about the classes as a whole, across the board.
LCS meta doesn't count since it only applies to 0.0000000001% if of the playerbase, if not less.
Warlord Rhinark1 votesCry the loudest?
Were u offline when tank meta, everylne complained, ardent meta everyone complained, assassin meta everyone complained? Maybe
Everyone is complaining about the Assassin meta right now but Riot isn't taking any action.
A small minority was complaining about ADCs and Riot took action.
Shukr4n1 votesBecause top mid jgl supp has always been wider pool than bot where adc has always been ranged since ever. Now they denied entirely a class which was super dedicated.
Obv they took actions.
Warlord Rhinark1 votesBecause top mid jgl supp has always been wider pool than bot where adc has always been ranged since ever. Now they denied entirely a class which was super dedicated.
Obv they took actions.
They didn't "deny" the class. That's bias.
They made them reach their powerspike later, but since games don't even reach the late game (because of all this rampant damage creep) they just reverted the changes instead of doing something about it.
Shukr4n1 votesSo.. A class that is squishy,by default That needs tons of gold to carry
Vs
A 100-0 boi
Adc are not mesnt to vent.
Ok
Warlord Rhinark2 votesSo.. A class that is squishy,by default That needs tons of gold to carry
Vs
A 100-0 boi
Adc are not mesnt to vent.
Ok
ADCs didn't need the change reverted.
Assassins needed to be nerfed.
If we keep just buffing things we'll never get anywhere.
Shukr4n1 votesThis is something we both,seems to agree
Critmaster Garen2 votesCry the loudest?
Were u offline when tank meta, everylne complained, ardent meta everyone complained, assassin meta everyone complained? Maybe
a small group of adc mains cries as loud as the entire rest of the player base did during the ardent meta, since everyone was sick of it, to the point of where even some adc mains complained that their role was busted and winning the game was too much in their responsibility.
i say shave another 5 ad off infinity edge.
vgamedude6 votesADCs were always good, even a few months ago when every single ADC main was crying it was just like in 2k17 when they were whining.
Literally if any champion gets 1 or 2 percent pick rate bot lane ADCs start crying about how ADCs are garbage, it makes me sick. Then they get buffed to ridiculous levels and it ends up being the same old we've had for years and years where bot lane is always the sole carry role and you're REQUIRED to have an ADC in every single damn game.
I came back thinking naively that riot would actually allow some kind of team diversity in this game but shame on me for thinking it would ever change.
Manslayer5 votesIt is the same in any lane. ADCs get picked top, complain, mid complain, jungle complain. They are only allowed bottom so when they got pushed out they complained. All mobas have a carry role, in Dota it may be that 2 supports to protect that anti-mage to just demolish the enemy team. That is how mobas are, in LoL adcs are the main carry role and SHOULD be treated as such.
vgamedude4 votesIt is the same in any lane. ADCs get picked top, complain, mid complain, jungle complain. They are only allowed bottom so when they got pushed out they complained. All mobas have a carry role, in Dota it may be that 2 supports to protect that anti-mage to just demolish the enemy team. That is how mobas are, in LoL adcs are the main carry role and SHOULD be treated as such.
ADCs are picked in other lanes RIGHT NOW. Look at Quinn, and they are still getting massive itemization buffs.
THEY SHOULD NOT always be the main carry role. That is ridiculous you're basically saying they should be better than any other class to the point where they're the only viable carry choice. You and other ADC players always say this, how in the hell is that fair?
They should be comparable to every other class and role, not the only viable carry choice.
Manslayer1 votesAPC and ADC should be the only carry roles. Literally carry is in their name.
Shukr4n1 votesLets rework adc to be more mobile or such , then.
I want to know why kog is not played in tour opinion EVEN if he s a on hit adc. Enlight me
vgamedude1 votesLets rework adc to be more mobile or such , then.
I want to know why kog is not played in tour opinion EVEN if he s a on hit adc. Enlight me
Then they will need to take massive hits elsewhere. Like mentioned they already are by far the most common and powerful carry role in the entire game, if you stack even more mobility on top of that... jesus.
Not to mention it's not like adcs are all super immobile. Look at tristana or ezreal. Cant get on them at all.
Shukr4n1 votesThT s the meaning of rework. Anyway we agree to disgree
Oh, they are already because they are created to be carry. Fun eh?
Hexs Fortune4 votesGames were frequently ending before crit ADC could meaningfully contribute, hence the price lowering. They also nerfed the item stats along side the cost reduction.
theChibiTina2 votesI think the biggest problem is there is no real balance for marksmen at the moment. More specifically crit marksmen. Either they are strong and have to be in every game or are weak and can't be played because they can't lane to get to late game where they need to be to be relevant. Then adc mains cry because they can't play their favorite champs.
Subject 52 votesLike 50% of the messages on this thread are negative downvotes
[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]
saltran1 votesWhat a disaster this bot lane diversity plan has turned out to be so far.
Thanks goddes
