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Warning - Augment Cache's have questionable odds

Great Muta··3 votes·681 views

I ended up purchasing around 25-30 Augment Cache's. I had never bought skins and figured this would be a good time to get some.

Since each case contains either 2 skin shards or 1 skin shard/1 champ shard, I figured out of the 566 possible skins(as of 2015), I had a really good chance of getting a variety of skins.

My problem was that through 30 cases, I ended up getting 7 duplicate skin shards. For calculation purposes, let's say I bought 30 cases. That is an 11% chance of duplicate skins(7 of a possible 60), which are very different than what was presented. While the odds don't appear to be visible, it seems there is a very small pool of which skins can be gained.

My Duplicate Shards were -

2 Magnificent TF's shards

2 Deep One Kassadin shards

2 Cutthroat Graves shards

2 Academy Darius shards

2 Gravelord Azir shards

2 Dark Crystal Ryze shards

2 Dragonslayer J4 shards

I would urge anyone considering to buy Augment Cache's to be aware of this and be aware that Riot is cheating you. These Cache's are not worth your money and I wouldn't be shocked if someone unlocked even more duplicates than I did.

I would only buy Augment cache's under these circumstances:

  1. You do not have many skins

  2. You do not care which skins you get

If anyone else has bought 20 Cache's or more I'd be interested to hear from you as I do think the odds are duplicates are lower with your first 10 cache's.

My full list of cache unlocks are here - http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/E6wGZU8O-just-unlocked-about-25-30-augment-caches-and-wanted-to-share-what-i-got-and-some-thoughts

21 Comments

AnCa5 votes

That is pretty unlucky to have so many duplicates. But a 30 caches sample size is too small to call "be aware that Riot is cheating you". You might just be very very unlucky. I havent open that many chests so I cannot say for certain. But my friend who opened a few did not have this problem. I am interest to see if someone did like a 200-500 cashe openning and data recording though.

Great Muta1 votes

I'd like to have more caches to test, but obviously I don't think they are worth it and so far, I don't like the odds.

I also think Riot should make it clear that these are not completely random, because the odds of getting 7 duplicates out of 566 possible skins(as of 2015) is less than 0.0017% or 1 out of 58,822.

AnCa1 votes

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I'd like to have more caches to test, but obviously I don't think they are worth it and so far, I don't like the odds.

I also think Riot should make it clear that these are not completely random, because the odds of getting 7 duplicates out of 566 possible skins(as of 2015) is less than 0.0017% or 1 out of 58,822.

I presume, the caches have different % payout for each skin. Say for example, all the skins have weighted ratio according to RP or release date or popularity. But yea you definately was unlucky and got the short end of the stick.

Great Muta1 votes

Yep, that is what I was expecting. Truthfully, I wasn't looking for "rare" skins so much as a variety of them since I play multiple champs, though I was hoping for a Riot Kayle or Toy Gangplank since I can't buy either of them. I got 3 Tristana skins, 2 Annie, 2 Cho, 2 Vi, 2 Caitlyn, plus the 7 dupes. For League having 130+ champs, I really shouldn't have gotten many of the same champs, since there are more than enough skins to go around. So out of about 45-50ish skins, 20 of them were on champs I already got a skin for.

Snowball4u1 votes

Look at Gbay99

I know he's doing hextech chests and not the project ones, but he gets really lucky. So I doubt you are getting cheated

Great Muta1 votes

I can't really speak on the hextech ones as they work differently. I've only done a few. The main reason I was going for Augment's were that they dropped 2 champs/skins instead of just 1 like Hextech.

He actually gets 2 dupes rather quick in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSzN2IIRVXo

Snowball4u1 votes

pffffft

He got a dupe thats worth more when u disenchant it than most skins cost to upgrade

Besides, you want orange dust anyways so getting dupes isn't all that bad, so you can disenchant one and upgrade the other

Great Muta1 votes

That's where it kinda gets to the - "is it worth it?" point with essence. The shards are essentially useless if you don't have enough essence for them, and the legendaries are 1500 Orange. I had about 45ish skin shards and was only able to get 12 skins out of it due to the steep Orange costs.

I actually just bought 2 augments a few hours ago and I still didn't have enough to get a skin due to how little they were worth and the skin costing 675 Orange.

DeathBurst1 votes

All skins are not equiprobable. Cheaper skins are more common, and so you can't straightforwardly calculate the probability of duplicate just through the number of skins.

ModWulf Helhammer2 votes

Cool.

I've bought like 60 of them, and while I've gotten some duplicates, they I've also got some pretty damn good stuff from them, and the duplicates helped with essence to unlock, or rerolls getting me more stuff

Great Muta1 votes

Wish you had written down what exactly you got as it would help.

The question of is it worth it is a good one. I only consider skins that you have the orange essence to activate as able to determine worth with.

Eedat1 votes

I've opened around 12 and didnt get a single duplicate. I've actually noticed a higher rate of rare shards tbh. I even got a Pulsefire Ezreal shard from it

Great Muta1 votes

Well let us know if you do more. We have two of us in this thread who are seeing dupes with 20+ cases. I know my first bundle had none, but the second bundle was where they came from it.

The shards value/worth really depend on the person. I got one of the rare Ez ones as well and disenchanted it because I don't use him, whereas I'm sure others would have been thrilled.

Aviatinq1 votes

I once opened 2 fortune cookies at the same time and they both said the same thing.

Naughty Bjerg1 votes

I've gotten several duplicates too including 4 ultimate skins. (2 ez and 2 udyr)

Great Muta1 votes

Sorry to hear that, but at least you know it is not just you.

I was very disappointed as there are over 566 skins in the game and even if they only %'s of unlocks for each skin tier, there should be plenty to go around without duplicates.

DeathBurst1 votes

Well, it's not a bad thing to have a lot of ultimate, even duplicates. You're better off having a duplicate ultimate than 3 original cheap skins, because you need to disenchant some to get essence, and ultimate are worth the most essence.

Great Muta1 votes

Depends on what you are looking for. If the ultimate is a champ I don't use, I'd rather have one of the 3 cheap ones of one I do use.

DeathBurst1 votes

true, you don't need essence at all as long as you don't have at least one shard for a skin you are interested in. But it's not 1 ultimate or 3 cheap, actually, I just said that for the comparison of values, but each chest contains one drop, so it's 1 ultimate or 1 cheap, actually. So, unless you got no interesting skin at all, it's always a good news to get an ultimate instead of a cheap skin.

Lord Azır1 votes

I opened 5 of them. I ended up getting

Academy Darius

Pulsefire Ezreal

Nunubot

Firefox Ahri

Beasthunter Draven

Gladiator Draven

Great Muta1 votes

I got dupes of that Darius and also got the Ez. Ez seems to be rather common in the chests. Def have seen a streamer or two unbox the bh draven.

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