Getting tired of "League of Punishments"

Great Muta··17 votes·2,722 views

League of Legends seems to have a bizarre cycle of punishments. It almost feels like the behavior system was created by someone who was locked up in a room and abused in their childhood for years on end.

I think Riot needs to take a look at the punishment system and figure out what the goal really is here, because the system doesn't exist to prevent bad behaviors. It exists to punish you for dealing with others bad behaviors. The system also creates a reward for reports culture where reports are free and falsified reports aren't counted.

These are all situations we face everyday here:

  • Player threatens to troll in champ select unless he doesn't get his way? Deal with it or get punished.

  • Teammates ban your champ or pick it in a troll pick situation? Deal with or get punished and don't you dare say a fucking word to them about it.

  • Someone AFK's after the 3 minute mark? Deal with 4 or 5 or take a leaver punishment.

  • Game is clearly over and your team won't surrender or the other team can't win? Deal with it or take a punishment.

  • One player or multiple players are harassing you? You can mute them but the mute expires in post game chat, where you will take Round 2 of abuse and watch someone pander for reports for you. You want to say anything back? Expect a report since Riot goes by the rule of "it doesn't matter why you did something, it matters that you did it".

  • Feeding player? Deal with it and don't you dare mention how he is wasting your time or guess what, punishment.

  • Your power goes out? Fuck you, take a leaver buster punishment.

Then after you've taken your punishment or chat restriction, you still won't be able to receive loot for ______ games. Nope, it's not enough that you've already been punished, we need to further punish you more or at least remind you about past things by continuing to not give you any loot. And we will do this every game until it's over, to further hammer the point home that you are a detriment to the game. I've legit gotten this message for 3 weeks straight. The game also doesn't tell you when the punishment ends or what you can do to fix it, which actually would be constructive.

The second you enter a LOL Queue, you've lost complete control of your fate for the next 40 minutes. No matter what is done to you, the game expects you to have better temperament than even the pope. And even if you do, one 4 man Dynamic Q is all you need to get a restriction, whether you did anything or not.

Riot really needs to take a good look at things and figure out if all of these punishments are really stopping toxicity or creating more of it. Even the best teams in the world do critique each other and expecting people to have tons of downtime in a game and not say anything that could be mistaken as a criticism is crazy.

48 Comments

Deep Terror Nami9 votes

It exists to punish you for dealing with others bad behaviors.

I just have one question; How exactly do you think negative behavior towards those players is improving the situation?

Great Muta6 votes

It lets them know that this behavior isn't okay. Obviously the "please don't ruin other peoples games" route has been unsuccessful.

disregardable3 votes

What? All that does is perpetuate the behavior. Every single person that gets banned on here says "Yeah I was an asshole, BUT YOU SHOULD'VE SEEN THE GUYS I WAS PLAYING WITH!!!!!!".

Great Muta2 votes

Even if you say it nicely, it could still be taken as a negative attitude or verbal abuse for the free report and if you don't say anything at all, then it's basically saying it's okay.

My gf and I even criticize each other sometimes and it's not the end of the world. I can't think of any life or place where people don't criticize each other or get mad at each other once in a while.

CooL Ice Tea1 votes

You flame him back so he sees that YOU do it too so it's a thing, right? If people with brain wouldn't flame back but just ignore them and report they would get frustrated because flamer want to get you triggerd which you show when you answer to them.

But most people are to high on there ego that they just can't let them be idiots, they have to get on this train too.

scazzman1 votes

because for some people being nice will just be laughed offor seen as being a pushover, so you have to get a little rude sometimes

Xolotyl6 votes

PLENTY of players go years without being punished a single time, if you're getting punished it's because you deserve it. Deal with that fact or go play a different game.

Great Muta3 votes

I have been. I've played the least amount of games this season than since I started playing.

In the games I do play, I'd say I feel like a dumbass for playing at least 50% of them.

Ashen Rider2 votes

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In the games I do play, I'd say I feel like a dumbass for playing at least 50% of them.

That's not what you should be feeling like a dumbass about.

Great Muta3 votes

Please stay on topic.

Ashen Rider2 votes

Why? This thread isn't even accomplishing anything. We all know you deserve your punishments.

Nautoday5 votes

I've never punished and I don't know anyone who has (besides those whom I report). It can't be all that hard.

Great Muta4 votes

Well now you know me.

Desolas Arterius5 votes

I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but none of this is factual on how the reporting system works. Let's break this down:

I think Riot needs to take a look at the punishment system and figure out what the goal really is here, because the system doesn't exist to prevent bad behaviors. It exists to punish you for dealing with others bad behaviors. The system also creates a reward for reports culture where reports are free and falsified reports aren't counted.

This isn't true. The system does not punish you for another player's bad behavior. It only punishes YOU. If you flame back at a clearly obvious troll or whatever, you are just as much in the wrong and deserve a report as does the other player. Two wrongs do not make a right. Also there is no "report culture". If you show continuous negative behavior in MULTIPLE games, then yes you will be reported. If a premade 4s all report you to "punish you", nothing happens.

  • Player threatens to troll in champ select unless he doesn't get his way? Deal with it or get punished.
  • Teammates ban your champ or pick it in a troll pick situation? Deal with or get punished and don't you dare say a fucking word to them about it.
  • Someone AFK's after the 3 minute mark? Deal with 4 or 5 or take a leaver punishment.
  • One player or multiple players are harassing you? You can mute them but the mute expires in post game chat, where you will take Round 2 of abuse and watch someone pander for reports for you. You want to say anything back? Expect a report since Riot goes by the rule of "it doesn't matter why you did something, it matters that you did it".
  • Feeding player? Deal with it and don't you dare mention how he is wasting your time or guess what, punishment.

Report them and move on. It's that simple. It sucks when it happens, but the best way to stop this is to give a detailed report. Reporting negative players does work. Complaining about them on the boards does not.

  • Game is clearly over and your team won't surrender or the other team can't win? Deal with it or take a punishment.

Unless your team is blatantly trolling on the surrender, I dont see the problem or "punishment" in this. So what if your team wants to keep playing? Who are you to decide if a game is "clearly over"? It might not be over to your team, so this is not an issue and isn't anything Riot needs to address unless (again) they're blatantly trolling. Which in this case you simply report.

  • Your power goes out? Fuck you, take a leaver buster punishment.

Unless your power consistently goes out every time you play a game, you will not get a leaver buster punishment. A disconnect once in awhile happens, Riot is aware of this. The leaver buster punishment only gets enacted if you are a repeated offender; even if it's unintentional.

Then after you've taken your punishment or chat restriction, you still won't be able to receive loot for __ games. Nope, it's not enough that you've already been punished, we need to further punish you more or at least remind you about past things by continuing to not give you any loot. And we will do this every game until it's over, to further hammer the point home that you are a detriment to the game. I've legit gotten this message for 3 weeks straight. The game also doesn't tell you when the punishment ends or what you can do to fix it, which actually would be constructive.

If you refuse to change your attitude and continuously get reports, that is not Riot's fault and they have no obligation to give you rewards. If you've been getting the message for 3 weeks straight then maybe it's you who is the real problem here. This doesn't happen unless you have not changed and continue to be reported. Also, the email should always tell you how long the punishment is and when it'll be over. If you ever want advice or further information on the report then submit a support ticket.

The second you enter a LOL Queue, you've lost complete control of your fate for the next 40 minutes. No matter what is done to you, the game expects you to have better temperament than even the pope. And even if you do, one 4 man Dynamic Q is all you need to get a restriction, whether you did anything or not.

Of course the game expects you to have better temperament regardless of what the other players are doing. You were punished for whatever reasons, so if you do not show change/improvement then that means you didn't learn. If you think you were ganged up by premades then submit a ticket to Riot. They can show you the logs if you were lying, or they can overturn a ban if the system malfunctioned.

Riot really needs to take a good look at things and figure out if all of these punishments are really stopping toxicity or creating more of it. Even the best teams in the world do critique each other and expecting people to have tons of downtime in a game and not say anything that could be mistaken as a criticism is crazy.

The system isn't perfect I'll admit, but it still works the way it was intended to. It's not as fun or interesting as the Tribunal, but it's still there and serving its purpose. Also, critiquing is completely different than belittling. The system will pick up on that difference, so if you're wording stuff as "Are you dumb? why would you take X on X?" that is not a critique, that is an insult. Instead you should word critiques as "Hey I noticed you took X on X, mind if I ask why?" It's long winded but I'm assuming this isn't being said during the heat of battle. Criticism, no matter how direct, is never about belittling or insulting others. True criticism points out the good and the bad equally while refraining from personal attacks. If your brand of criticism is attacking (such as making it personal, etc) then you will get reported for toxicity/negative behavior, and I can guarantee you that no one will listen to you, regardless of your point.

Great Muta3 votes

This isn't true. The system does not punish you for another player's bad behavior. It only punishes YOU. If you flame back at a clearly obvious troll or whatever, you are just as much in the wrong and deserve a report as does the other player. Two wrongs do not make a right. Also there is no "report culture". If you show continuous negative behavior in MULTIPLE games, then yes you will be reported. If a premade 4s all report you to "punish you", nothing happens.

It basically does. It's asking you to have inhuman temperament to put up with people wasting your time and getting you angry. You can't mute them for good, because they return in post-game and you can't get away. You stop playing and you get a report/leaverbuster. You leave and you get reports/leaverbuster. There is no reason not to report people just because.

Report them and move on. It's that simple. It sucks when it happens, but the best way to stop this is to give a detailed report. Reporting negative players does work. Complaining about them on the boards does not.

Bringing up a discussion about it on a board frequented by Rioters is a great way to get attention to the cause. Reporting negative players does not work. I've gotten the "someone you reported message has been punished" maybe 7 times in thousands of reports.

Unless your team is blatantly trolling on the surrender, I dont see the problem or "punishment" in this. So what if your team wants to keep playing? Who are you to decide if a game is "clearly over"? It might not be over to your team, so this is not an issue and isn't anything Riot needs to address unless (again) they're blatantly trolling. Which in this case you simply report.

There was a study on reddit about the chances of winning at various gold advantages and some had really bad odds. The odds of winning get really bad statistically. My time is precious. At least CSGO offers a scaling system where the first leave is a 30 min ban and the next is 2 hours and goes from there.

Unless your power consistently goes out every time you play a game, you will not get a leaver buster punishment. A disconnect once in awhile happens, Riot is aware of this. The leaver buster punishment only gets enacted if you are a repeated offender; even if it's unintentional.

I got a leaver buster yesterday in an intro bots game. Due to weather, someone needed a ride and I had to leave. I made it back within 3 seconds of our win. Leaver bustered despite returning. No AFK's or anything for minimum 1 month. And the best part was that I was only playing intro bots to get through chat restriction so I got double punishments!

If you refuse to change your attitude and continuously get reports, that is not Riot's fault and they have no obligation to give you rewards. If you've been getting the message for 3 weeks straight then maybe it's you who is the real problem here. This doesn't happen unless you have not changed and continue to be reported. Also, the email should always tell you how long the punishment is and when it'll be over. If you ever want advice or further information on the report then submit a support ticket.

People aren't toxic on here because they are toxic. It's a combo of frustration and being stuck in shitty situations with no escape. When you get a nasty game situation and no way to get out without punishment, it's basically begging someone to say something. The fact is, once you serve your restriction, you still get warnings that there is no loot due to past behavioral restrictions. You are given no idea of when it ends or what can be done. And even though pings say everything, there is no way to completely disable chat if you've proven you can't handle it.

Of course the game expects you to have better temperament regardless of what the other players are doing. You were punished for whatever reasons, so if you do not show change/improvement then that means you didn't learn. If you think you were ganged up by premades then submit a ticket to Riot. They can show you the logs if you were lying, or they can overturn a ban if the system malfunctioned.

I've shown video proof of players behaviors and I never get anything more than the standard support ticket with the canned response. The people who threatened to burn my house down and kill me in real life are still around. The game expects inhuman temperament and even refusing to communicate was worthy of a report. It's almost like the system wants to ensure people who can't deal with the bullshit get punished.

The system isn't perfect I'll admit, but it still works the way it was intended to. It's not as fun or interesting as the Tribunal, but it's still there and serving its purpose. Also, critiquing is completely different than belittling. The system will pick up on that difference, so if you're wording stuff as "Are you dumb? why would you take X on X?" that is not a critique, that is an insult. Instead you should word critiques as "Hey I noticed you took X on X, mind if I ask why?" It's long winded but I'm assuming this isn't being said during the heat of battle. Criticism, no matter how direct, is never about belittling or insulting others. True criticism points out the good and the bad equally while refraining from personal attacks. If your brand of criticism is attacking (such as making it personal, etc) then you will get reported for toxicity/negative behavior, and I can guarantee you that no one will listen to you, regardless of your point.

You can report for anything and no one checks the actual reports. If you pulled that hey I noticed thing on me, I'd report you for negative for example. And why wouldnt I? Reports are free, no one checks them and there's no reason not to report everyone if you want.

Desolas Arterius4 votes

It basically does. It's asking you to have inhuman temperament to put up with people wasting your time and getting you angry. You can't mute them for good, because they return in post-game and you can't get away. You stop playing and you get a report/leaverbuster. You leave and you get reports/leaverbuster.

I must have inhuman temperament then because these people dont bother me. I've never been punished or reported in the entire 4 years I've played this game. Usually when people flame I simply ignore them and report after the game. It's not that hard. I get it they can be frustrating, but that doesn't protect you from being reported for being equally toxic. There is no "he started it" rule. If you stoop to their level then you are the same. Bad games happen and there are assholes that like ruining games for others, but they'll never learn until everyone continues to report them. Yelling at them does nothing, only reporting does.

Bringing up a discussion about it on a board frequented by Rioters is a great way to get attention to the cause. Reporting negative players does not work.

You get attention, sure, I'll agree with that, but not the right kind of attention. It solves nothing, no matter how many similar posts there are about people complaining. People will only post what they think happened, and usually skirt out information that wouldn't work with their narrative. Reporting works so long as EVERYONE reports the problem players. If people don't report and instead come to the boards to whine, then that player gets to ruin more games because the boards do not exist for getting players punished or reported.

There was a study on reddit about the chances of winning at various gold advantages and some had really bad odds. The odds of winning get really bad statistically. My time is precious. Atleast CSGO offers a scaling system where the first leave is a 30 min ban and the next is 2 hours and goes from there.

Show me this study. I am curious to see what the sample size and parameters were used to conduct this. Mostly because regardless of gold advantages, games can still be won through coordination and capitalizing on enemy mistakes. Cockiness and mistakes always need to be factored in to studies considering the unpredictable nature of these games. Also, if your time is precious then you probably shouldn't play league considering games can last on average up to 40 minutes.

I got a leaver buster yesterday in an intro bots game. Due to weather, someone needed a ride and I had to leave. I made it back within 3 seconds of our win. Leaver bustered despite returning. No AFK's or anything for minimum 1 month.

Unless this happened to you repeatedly, this wouldn't happen. At most it would make you wait 6 minutes before queuing up, but even then that's nothing. If you're complaining about Leaver Buster placing you in essentially Leaver Hell, then that means you repeatedly left/AFKd games, and got reported for them. Small queue waits do not hurt your account at all nor disqualify you from rewards. I know I've had internet issues before and had to wait 6-10 minutes to join back in queue, but that isn't a punishment nor does it hurt your account/record.

People aren't toxic on here because they are toxic. It's a combo of frustration and being stuck in shitty situations with no escape. When you get a nasty game situation and no way to get out without punishment, it's basically begging someone to say something. The fact is, once you serve your restriction, you still get warnings that there is no loot due to past behavioral restrictions. You are given no idea of when it ends or what can be done.

This still does not justify anything. You are still considered toxic regardless if you're frustrated or "stuck in a shitty situation". Just because you're mad doesn't give you the right to chew out anyone and insult them. If you're mad then yell at your screen or punch a pillow. Do not ever take out your frustrations on the team. That is negative behavior which is considered toxic to the team. Also, you dont have to get punished for bad games. Just play the game to completion (without name calling and acting negative), and report at the end. It sucks but that's how you're supposed to deal with these situations. Not AFK or flame back at them. That is how more problems are caused. As for rewards, if I remember correctly there is a certain period of time you must remain "clean" before you can get rewards again. If you get through that time without any substantial reports (meaning you didn't get reported multiple games in a row, etc), then they usually take you off the restricted list. If you want a timeline ask a Rioter for advice/help. They usually want to see players reform, so if you show you're willing to be better I'm sure they'd be more than happy to help.

I've shown video proof of players behaviors and I never get anything more than the standard support ticket with the canned response. The people who threatened to burn my house down and kill me in real life are still around.

If you did not report them after that game then there is nothing that can be done. Sending a ticket with a summoner's name and saying they should be reported does nothing. That is not how the system works. You must report them after the game or they'll never get punished. Every report counts. You just wont know if it worked unless you were the final report to get them in trouble/banned. But Riot says they're going to get better at that. But again, if you don't report then nothing will ever happen. Riot can only do so much when they're constantly flooded by tickets and reports; that's why there is a computer handling the easy to detect reports of repeated offenders.

You can report for anything and no one checks the actual reports. If you pulled that hey I noticed thing on me, I'd report you for negative for example. And why wouldnt I? Reports are free.

You're wrong unfortunately. The computer collecting the reports does check for certain things whenever a report is filed. If I said word for word what I posted earlier and you reported me, nothing would happen. Sure you can report me, feel free to, but that doesn't work and lessens the importance of your report (and any report afterwards) if you're reporting anyone and everyone. So while yes, you can report for whatever you feel like, the system will not punish the reported player unless they fall under the criteria to be reported (such as toxicity).

Great Muta1 votes

You are here to just say you are wrong and shit so I'm not going to waste my time with a long post like yours or even reading it.

Desolas Arterius4 votes

If that's how you choose to respond then so be it.

I simply wanted to shed light on all the false information in your post so that others do not trap themselves in a similar mindset.

Have a good day and good luck.

Great Muta1 votes

Def not to get a little woody arguing over the net huh? Save it.

TyrekGoldenspear4 votes

Sigh, this. Too many people think that because somebody was mean to them they automatically get the right to be rude right back.

Two wrongs don't make a right as you said, report and move on.

+1. Just wanted you to know that your words are being heard.

Desolas Arterius2 votes

Thanks for the comment man :) I appreciate the support. I wish others would listen as well or calm down. It's tough seeing these situations knowing they can be avoided.

Thank you again!

TyrekGoldenspear2 votes

NP Mate! [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

Gary B Enkelis4 votes

I'm sure I've been reported but I've never been punished, in all my time playing (like 4 years). I've reported often and sometimes received confirmation. Something must be going right or I don't know. I can't expect all my reports to go through. Sometimes I catch people on a bad day. I don't know. I think people who get in real trouble aren't just first time offenders, and if they are then they must be really offensive.

... I mean I confirm at least three times (clicking play, accepting the match, and not dodging) that I want to play what could be a 40+ minute game that goes bonkers. Yeah I just deal with it. Yeah it can be difficult. That's a personal problem. If I can't handle it then maybe the game isn't for me. If I can't stand the heat then I need to get out of the kitchen.

Telephone Booth4 votes

Lol league of punishments? It's crazy how perspectives differ so much from player to player. If anything I'd call it league of getting flamed. I've never been punished so idk this cycle of punishments you speak of. I have had leaver buster a couple times but hey, they don't want people constantly leaving games, I understand.

Great Muta2 votes

I've never been punished

I have had leaver buster a couple times

xXI3ADI3OYXx1 votes

LMAO O.o XD

Telephone Booth1 votes

Dammit I forgot to say "oh yeah, correction: I have had leaverbuster" ...my point still stands. Leaverbuster is necessary and totally reasonable as a punishment. Wait 5 minutes... Wtf is this?! League of punishments?!?!?! But ya gj pointing out my contradiction.

higura4 votes

I think Riot needs to take a look at the punishment system and figure out what the goal really is here, because the system doesn't exist to prevent bad behaviors. It exists to punish you for dealing with others bad behaviors.

the goal is to punish a player for their behavior, as in "you`re responsible for your own actions", its not your job to deal with how other players behave.

The system also creates a reward for reports culture where reports are free and falsified reports aren't counted.

not at all, infact can to many false report`s make your report invalid, also have been cases of players beening banned for reporting falsely on the old system, not sure if thats the case anymore tho.


then you go on to list some problems where quite honestly i agree with some, but dont think they tie in with the first of your post.

Player threatens to troll in champ select unless he doesn't get his way? Deal with it or get punished.

i agree here, the problem is that you could report this on the support page befor, but they change that so now its a matter of going tho the game just to report a player or dodge, take the leave pen and let the player get away, both not okay options...

Teammates ban your champ or pick it in a troll pick situation? Deal with or get punished and don't you dare say a fucking word to them about it.

disagree, a player can have many reasons to ban or pick a champion you want, without being something negativ toward you.

Someone AFK's after the 3 minute mark? Deal with 4 or 5 or take a leaver punishment.

funny how nobody seems to cry when this is in their favor, but then again i just dont see 4 v 5 being unwinable. so yes, if you leave when your team need you the most then you should be punished for it.

Game is clearly over and your team won't surrender or the other team can't win? Deal with it or take a punishment.

thats the point of a vote mate.

One player or multiple players are harassing you? You can mute them but the mute expires in post game chat, where you will take Round 2 of abuse and watch someone pander for reports for you. You want to say anything back? Expect a report since Riot goes by the rule of "it doesn't matter why you did something, it matters that you did it".

i agree, a mute should carry to the client, the problem as i have had it told in the past, is that the game and the client is 2 different programs, so it might not even be possible to do.

Feeding player? Deal with it and don't you dare mention how he is wasting your time or guess what, punishment.

feeding isn`t breaking any of the terms that let you play the game, intentional feeding however if punished by a perma ban the moment the system pick up on it.

Your power goes out? Fuck you, take a leaver buster punishment.

no one have ever faced a punishment for leaveing a game once, regardless if its because the power goes off or if you left for no reason...thats just bs and you know it...besides if your power goes off enough time for the system to pick up on it then you shouldn`t really be playing online game at all...


okay so now we have been tho this whats your complain?:

Then after you've taken your punishment or chat restriction, you still won't be able to receive loot for __ games.

...u wot m8?...

you do know that the reward system is there to, (funny enough), reward players who didn`t get punished by the system, right?...so no, you wont get rewarded for being punished by the system...thats the point...

and that goes on with:

or at least remind you about past things by continuing to not give you any loot.

its like rewards are something you should earn by not being a negativ exp for other players, isn`t it?, fancy that...

im gonna skip abit and go to:

The game also doesn't tell you when the punishment ends or what you can do to fix it, which actually would be constructive.

i belive it does, not sure, but have seen quite some post about some players time zone dont match the time given by riot, form time to time. you might be right here tho.

The second you enter a LOL Queue, you've lost complete control of your fate for the next 40 minutes. No matter what is done to you, the game expects you to have better temperament than even the pope. And even if you do, one 4 man Dynamic Q is all you need to get a restriction, whether you did anything or not.

playing the victim card i see...yea because its not like you are 20% of the team and can effect the rest of the team in any positiv way, like at all...poor you really...

Riot really needs to take a good look at things and figure out if all of these punishments are really stopping toxicity or creating more of it.

the only thing you have done is listing alot of problems that effected you as someone who were punished by the system, (in many cases, was that the idea by riot).

if i didn`t knew better, would i belive you was danceing around something other than the topic at hand...but that might just be me...

regards (sry for the broken english, hope the dept of the post make up for it)

higura

Great Muta2 votes

I could read all of your 3rd world bullshit, or I could not. You can go dance back to wherever you came from.

higura2 votes

so you could read my post, yet you refuse to debate the topic any further, thats your choice but dont try to rub it off on me,,,

Z3bra3 votes

Honestly I've had more problems with completely toxic players not ending up punished/banned despite them being terrible people every time I run into them.

Great Muta2 votes

I don't know anyone who has really been banned. If you get temp banned, you can do what I did - play on another account and wait for the season to refresh so the punishments refresh. There's multiple people who threatened to kill me or commit arson who are still playing.

Palmeiras SerieB3 votes

>League of Legends >punishments

pick one

The Grand Beard3 votes

After reading this entire thread, and your attitude throughout it. It looks to me like the league system is working perfectly fine. You have such a horrible attitude. Refusing to even read peoples responses who slightly differ from your view.

I honestly hope that players like you receive a permanent ban. You are the type of person that ruins this game, and you will never know it. You will never accept it. You will never change, and the system has done a great job at blocking you out. Bravo.

Great Muta2 votes

Clearly you aren't any better with all those insults. Enjoy your ban mate! Bravo!

ChompyWulf3 votes

I feel compelled to add to this discussion.

I have precious little time to grind out of the muck of Bronze on my main profile. I realize I could likely place higher without seasons of previous bad Elo on a smurf, but I have soaked a fair bit of cash here and there into my main and want to enjoy some feeling of accomplishment clawing my way up. Unfortunately, this leads to me sometimes reacting very poorly to Bronze baddies badly feeding in 2 areas of the map and then getting steamrolled no matter how well (or poorly, or inbetween) I do in lane. Before this season I have generally only had warnings or once a three game restriction. This season I have shot up to having a couple short, and one long period of chat restriction. Feelings toward censorship aside, I tried to fall in line with "The Code". I had 1 game, a single one, that has now led to me getting a full 14 game suspension. No one day, one week, a sudden 2 WEEK suspension, with only one game of chat log against me. I could wax eloquent about how I was put on tilt by a jungler going into match with wrong masteries and smiteless, top lane repeatedly saying "GG" upon that revelation before going on to a 1-5 score, and mid lane repeatedly complaining he needed help from aforementioned jungler (on way to a 1-6 score)...but why go in depth? Sad thing is, while I did go on tilt and began berating our top and mid, after also giving a tip to our jung to gain more XP in lane, I was then apparently reported by everyone on my team, even the jungler I sought to help and defend. (Because no matter how you cut it, his inability to make an early impact didn't excuse sloppy play by others or give them right to flame him.) I'll admit, I was a bit toxic, cussing at people, but without any threats or deathwishes. How then does this earn a 2 week ban from one chat log, without any ban prior?

The system is rather arbitrary, and for as toxic I have been at times, I have not once seen an alert of a troll or cancerous player I've been forced to suffer in game receive a sanction.

I would like to put forth three assertions. First, the system now is far less forgiving toward frustrated players than Tribunal was. Rather than the context of a full chat log, apparently only one person's words are examined, and sometimes a single game rather than the 3 which I had thought was the minimum required for punitive action.

Secondly, the community is becoming vastly oversensitive to words, even if slurs, threats, or malicious wishes are never uttered. (I suggest it is a symptom of a society that is absurdly obsessed with correctness, reinforcing the idea that wrongs should not be admonished strongly lest it hurt someone's feelings.) I've seen players whine of "toxic" or "harassment" when teammates in frustration tell them to stop feeding, or play safe just in caps without actually crossing a social verbal line. Likewise, players will engage in passive-aggressive chat, or baiting behavior in both lobby and early game, then fast as a whip cry foul and "gonna report" when someone hits a break point.

Third, Riot should simply go all-out and not permit a chat filter to be disabled. If players are incapable of quickly and easily making socially unacceptable words known, then the average toxicity of matches and the player base will drop. If someone truly wishes to take the time to shorthand or leetspeak enough in chat to flame and make slurs/threats intelligible, that truly exposes the difference between a toxic player and a frustrated one, which would make punishments and sanctions far simpler and effective to enforce.

TL:DR - New system and trying something besides Tribunal is ok, but this is unfair to some players. Go back to drawing table for a moderation/punishment system. Or better yet, an actual reward system for consistent positive attitude and interactions. Carrot beats stick, every time.

DrCyanide2 votes

I don't agree with it being hard to avoid punishments, but I can respect asking if the system is working as it should be.

Great Muta2 votes

I think Riot needs these things:

  • More clear statements on what is breaking a rule or what isn't. Nowhere does it officially say that "asking for reports" is reportable.

  • More statements on the best ways to deal with players behaving badly.

  • Options to completely mute someone for good.

  • More reporting options. There's nothing about asking for reports, people pretending to be AFK or other things like that. There's no reporting option for troll picks or players banning your champ.

  • Clear alerts on how close you are to getting punished or how close you are to getting out of punishment.

  • The option to disable chat for the entirety of the match. According to Riot, I'm in the worst 5% players of the game, but I'm so bad that I still need to have chat.

  • Checking of reports before punishments. Most people just report for verbal regardless of what happens.

All of these would help and would make things a lot more clear.

VivaLaKitten2 votes

There's only two things I'm really worried about http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/2yMfJKP1-a-problem-with-the-report-system I go over them both in this thread

Astôlfo2 votes

Incorrect.

TDL Jump1 votes

I got off a 2 week ban NEARLY 2 MONTHS AGO, granted, I shouldn't have consumed alcohol and played League, intense flaming was imminent, but almost 2 months and STILL cannot receive and loot, it's outrageous. I should make 20 accounts just to bump this because it's the only post that makes sense.

Great Muta2 votes

I dealt with the same thing and can confirm that this is indeed happening. And the best part is they won't even tell you how to get out of it or when it might be over. Instead of saying "hey, do _____ and you'll get your loot back" it's, "hey, your punishment is over but you are still going to be punished until we say so."

Morality Coach1 votes

You can be a huge dick all the time every game in LoL and not get punished.

If you get punished you are too extreme, bottom line.

Yes We Cancer1 votes

Lul, tilting guys like you until they go full apesht and reporting them after is the best xD

AllahThaGreatest

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  • Your power goes out? Fuck you, take a leaver buster punishment.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. but no seriously i agree with this. i have been punished many times for my computer losing power or shutting off on me and teammates beign salty af about it. am i using that word right? salty?

AllahThaGreatest

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AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. but no seriously i agree with this. i have been punished many times for my computer losing power or shutting off on me and teammates beign salty af about it. am i using that word right? salty?

how can i rephrase this to get my point across?

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