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Getting tired of "League of Punishments"

Great Muta·8/11/2016, 8:17:08 PM·17 votes·2,722 views

League of Legends seems to have a bizarre cycle of punishments. It almost feels like the behavior system was created by someone who was locked up in a room and abused in their childhood for years on end.

I think Riot needs to take a look at the punishment system and figure out what the goal really is here, because the system doesn't exist to prevent bad behaviors. It exists to punish you for dealing with others bad behaviors. The system also creates a reward for reports culture where reports are free and falsified reports aren't counted.

These are all situations we face everyday here:

  • Player threatens to troll in champ select unless he doesn't get his way? Deal with it or get punished.

  • Teammates ban your champ or pick it in a troll pick situation? Deal with or get punished and don't you dare say a fucking word to them about it.

  • Someone AFK's after the 3 minute mark? Deal with 4 or 5 or take a leaver punishment.

  • Game is clearly over and your team won't surrender or the other team can't win? Deal with it or take a punishment.

  • One player or multiple players are harassing you? You can mute them but the mute expires in post game chat, where you will take Round 2 of abuse and watch someone pander for reports for you. You want to say anything back? Expect a report since Riot goes by the rule of "it doesn't matter why you did something, it matters that you did it".

  • Feeding player? Deal with it and don't you dare mention how he is wasting your time or guess what, punishment.

  • Your power goes out? Fuck you, take a leaver buster punishment.

Then after you've taken your punishment or chat restriction, you still won't be able to receive loot for ______ games. Nope, it's not enough that you've already been punished, we need to further punish you more or at least remind you about past things by continuing to not give you any loot. And we will do this every game until it's over, to further hammer the point home that you are a detriment to the game. I've legit gotten this message for 3 weeks straight. The game also doesn't tell you when the punishment ends or what you can do to fix it, which actually would be constructive.

The second you enter a LOL Queue, you've lost complete control of your fate for the next 40 minutes. No matter what is done to you, the game expects you to have better temperament than even the pope. And even if you do, one 4 man Dynamic Q is all you need to get a restriction, whether you did anything or not.

Riot really needs to take a good look at things and figure out if all of these punishments are really stopping toxicity or creating more of it. Even the best teams in the world do critique each other and expecting people to have tons of downtime in a game and not say anything that could be mistaken as a criticism is crazy.

48 Comments

Deep Terror Nami8/11/2016, 8:21:15 PM9 votes

It exists to punish you for dealing with others bad behaviors.

I just have one question; How exactly do you think negative behavior towards those players is improving the situation?

Xolotyl8/11/2016, 8:23:55 PM6 votes

PLENTY of players go years without being punished a single time, if you're getting punished it's because you deserve it. Deal with that fact or go play a different game.

Nautoday8/11/2016, 8:20:34 PM5 votes

I've never punished and I don't know anyone who has (besides those whom I report). It can't be all that hard.

Desolas Arterius8/11/2016, 9:28:41 PM5 votes

I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but none of this is factual on how the reporting system works. Let's break this down:

I think Riot needs to take a look at the punishment system and figure out what the goal really is here, because the system doesn't exist to prevent bad behaviors. It exists to punish you for dealing with others bad behaviors. The system also creates a reward for reports culture where reports are free and falsified reports aren't counted.

This isn't true. The system does not punish you for another player's bad behavior. It only punishes YOU. If you flame back at a clearly obvious troll or whatever, you are just as much in the wrong and deserve a report as does the other player. Two wrongs do not make a right. Also there is no "report culture". If you show continuous negative behavior in MULTIPLE games, then yes you will be reported. If a premade 4s all report you to "punish you", nothing happens.

  • Player threatens to troll in champ select unless he doesn't get his way? Deal with it or get punished.
  • Teammates ban your champ or pick it in a troll pick situation? Deal with or get punished and don't you dare say a fucking word to them about it.
  • Someone AFK's after the 3 minute mark? Deal with 4 or 5 or take a leaver punishment.
  • One player or multiple players are harassing you? You can mute them but the mute expires in post game chat, where you will take Round 2 of abuse and watch someone pander for reports for you. You want to say anything back? Expect a report since Riot goes by the rule of "it doesn't matter why you did something, it matters that you did it".
  • Feeding player? Deal with it and don't you dare mention how he is wasting your time or guess what, punishment.

Report them and move on. It's that simple. It sucks when it happens, but the best way to stop this is to give a detailed report. Reporting negative players does work. Complaining about them on the boards does not.

  • Game is clearly over and your team won't surrender or the other team can't win? Deal with it or take a punishment.

Unless your team is blatantly trolling on the surrender, I dont see the problem or "punishment" in this. So what if your team wants to keep playing? Who are you to decide if a game is "clearly over"? It might not be over to your team, so this is not an issue and isn't anything Riot needs to address unless (again) they're blatantly trolling. Which in this case you simply report.

  • Your power goes out? Fuck you, take a leaver buster punishment.

Unless your power consistently goes out every time you play a game, you will not get a leaver buster punishment. A disconnect once in awhile happens, Riot is aware of this. The leaver buster punishment only gets enacted if you are a repeated offender; even if it's unintentional.

Then after you've taken your punishment or chat restriction, you still won't be able to receive loot for __ games. Nope, it's not enough that you've already been punished, we need to further punish you more or at least remind you about past things by continuing to not give you any loot. And we will do this every game until it's over, to further hammer the point home that you are a detriment to the game. I've legit gotten this message for 3 weeks straight. The game also doesn't tell you when the punishment ends or what you can do to fix it, which actually would be constructive.

If you refuse to change your attitude and continuously get reports, that is not Riot's fault and they have no obligation to give you rewards. If you've been getting the message for 3 weeks straight then maybe it's you who is the real problem here. This doesn't happen unless you have not changed and continue to be reported. Also, the email should always tell you how long the punishment is and when it'll be over. If you ever want advice or further information on the report then submit a support ticket.

The second you enter a LOL Queue, you've lost complete control of your fate for the next 40 minutes. No matter what is done to you, the game expects you to have better temperament than even the pope. And even if you do, one 4 man Dynamic Q is all you need to get a restriction, whether you did anything or not.

Of course the game expects you to have better temperament regardless of what the other players are doing. You were punished for whatever reasons, so if you do not show change/improvement then that means you didn't learn. If you think you were ganged up by premades then submit a ticket to Riot. They can show you the logs if you were lying, or they can overturn a ban if the system malfunctioned.

Riot really needs to take a good look at things and figure out if all of these punishments are really stopping toxicity or creating more of it. Even the best teams in the world do critique each other and expecting people to have tons of downtime in a game and not say anything that could be mistaken as a criticism is crazy.

The system isn't perfect I'll admit, but it still works the way it was intended to. It's not as fun or interesting as the Tribunal, but it's still there and serving its purpose. Also, critiquing is completely different than belittling. The system will pick up on that difference, so if you're wording stuff as "Are you dumb? why would you take X on X?" that is not a critique, that is an insult. Instead you should word critiques as "Hey I noticed you took X on X, mind if I ask why?" It's long winded but I'm assuming this isn't being said during the heat of battle. Criticism, no matter how direct, is never about belittling or insulting others. True criticism points out the good and the bad equally while refraining from personal attacks. If your brand of criticism is attacking (such as making it personal, etc) then you will get reported for toxicity/negative behavior, and I can guarantee you that no one will listen to you, regardless of your point.

higura8/11/2016, 11:45:36 PM4 votes

I think Riot needs to take a look at the punishment system and figure out what the goal really is here, because the system doesn't exist to prevent bad behaviors. It exists to punish you for dealing with others bad behaviors.

the goal is to punish a player for their behavior, as in "you`re responsible for your own actions", its not your job to deal with how other players behave.

The system also creates a reward for reports culture where reports are free and falsified reports aren't counted.

not at all, infact can to many false report`s make your report invalid, also have been cases of players beening banned for reporting falsely on the old system, not sure if thats the case anymore tho.

then you go on to list some problems where quite honestly i agree with some, but dont think they tie in with the first of your post.

Player threatens to troll in champ select unless he doesn't get his way? Deal with it or get punished.

i agree here, the problem is that you could report this on the support page befor, but they change that so now its a matter of going tho the game just to report a player or dodge, take the leave pen and let the player get away, both not okay options...

Teammates ban your champ or pick it in a troll pick situation? Deal with or get punished and don't you dare say a fucking word to them about it.

disagree, a player can have many reasons to ban or pick a champion you want, without being something negativ toward you.

Someone AFK's after the 3 minute mark? Deal with 4 or 5 or take a leaver punishment.

funny how nobody seems to cry when this is in their favor, but then again i just dont see 4 v 5 being unwinable. so yes, if you leave when your team need you the most then you should be punished for it.

Game is clearly over and your team won't surrender or the other team can't win? Deal with it or take a punishment.

thats the point of a vote mate.

One player or multiple players are harassing you? You can mute them but the mute expires in post game chat, where you will take Round 2 of abuse and watch someone pander for reports for you. You want to say anything back? Expect a report since Riot goes by the rule of "it doesn't matter why you did something, it matters that you did it".

i agree, a mute should carry to the client, the problem as i have had it told in the past, is that the game and the client is 2 different programs, so it might not even be possible to do.

Feeding player? Deal with it and don't you dare mention how he is wasting your time or guess what, punishment.

feeding isn`t breaking any of the terms that let you play the game, intentional feeding however if punished by a perma ban the moment the system pick up on it.

Your power goes out? Fuck you, take a leaver buster punishment.

no one have ever faced a punishment for leaveing a game once, regardless if its because the power goes off or if you left for no reason...thats just bs and you know it...besides if your power goes off enough time for the system to pick up on it then you shouldn`t really be playing online game at all...

okay so now we have been tho this whats your complain?:

Then after you've taken your punishment or chat restriction, you still won't be able to receive loot for __ games.

...u wot m8?...

you do know that the reward system is there to, (funny enough), reward players who didn`t get punished by the system, right?...so no, you wont get rewarded for being punished by the system...thats the point...

and that goes on with:

or at least remind you about past things by continuing to not give you any loot.

its like rewards are something you should earn by not being a negativ exp for other players, isn`t it?, fancy that...

im gonna skip abit and go to:

The game also doesn't tell you when the punishment ends or what you can do to fix it, which actually would be constructive.

i belive it does, not sure, but have seen quite some post about some players time zone dont match the time given by riot, form time to time. you might be right here tho.

The second you enter a LOL Queue, you've lost complete control of your fate for the next 40 minutes. No matter what is done to you, the game expects you to have better temperament than even the pope. And even if you do, one 4 man Dynamic Q is all you need to get a restriction, whether you did anything or not.

playing the victim card i see...yea because its not like you are 20% of the team and can effect the rest of the team in any positiv way, like at all...poor you really...

Riot really needs to take a good look at things and figure out if all of these punishments are really stopping toxicity or creating more of it.

the only thing you have done is listing alot of problems that effected you as someone who were punished by the system, (in many cases, was that the idea by riot).

if i didn`t knew better, would i belive you was danceing around something other than the topic at hand...but that might just be me...

regards (sry for the broken english, hope the dept of the post make up for it)

higura

Gary B Enkelis8/11/2016, 9:03:44 PM4 votes

I'm sure I've been reported but I've never been punished, in all my time playing (like 4 years). I've reported often and sometimes received confirmation. Something must be going right or I don't know. I can't expect all my reports to go through. Sometimes I catch people on a bad day. I don't know. I think people who get in real trouble aren't just first time offenders, and if they are then they must be really offensive.

... I mean I confirm at least three times (clicking play, accepting the match, and not dodging) that I want to play what could be a 40+ minute game that goes bonkers. Yeah I just deal with it. Yeah it can be difficult. That's a personal problem. If I can't handle it then maybe the game isn't for me. If I can't stand the heat then I need to get out of the kitchen.

Telephone Booth8/11/2016, 11:06:37 PM4 votes

Lol league of punishments? It's crazy how perspectives differ so much from player to player. If anything I'd call it league of getting flamed. I've never been punished so idk this cycle of punishments you speak of. I have had leaver buster a couple times but hey, they don't want people constantly leaving games, I understand.

The Grand Beard8/12/2016, 1:39:16 AM3 votes

After reading this entire thread, and your attitude throughout it. It looks to me like the league system is working perfectly fine. You have such a horrible attitude. Refusing to even read peoples responses who slightly differ from your view.

I honestly hope that players like you receive a permanent ban. You are the type of person that ruins this game, and you will never know it. You will never accept it. You will never change, and the system has done a great job at blocking you out. Bravo.

Z3bra8/11/2016, 9:42:46 PM3 votes

Honestly I've had more problems with completely toxic players not ending up punished/banned despite them being terrible people every time I run into them.

ChompyWulf8/13/2016, 9:04:42 AM3 votes

I feel compelled to add to this discussion.

I have precious little time to grind out of the muck of Bronze on my main profile. I realize I could likely place higher without seasons of previous bad Elo on a smurf, but I have soaked a fair bit of cash here and there into my main and want to enjoy some feeling of accomplishment clawing my way up. Unfortunately, this leads to me sometimes reacting very poorly to Bronze baddies badly feeding in 2 areas of the map and then getting steamrolled no matter how well (or poorly, or inbetween) I do in lane. Before this season I have generally only had warnings or once a three game restriction. This season I have shot up to having a couple short, and one long period of chat restriction. Feelings toward censorship aside, I tried to fall in line with "The Code". I had 1 game, a single one, that has now led to me getting a full 14 game suspension. No one day, one week, a sudden 2 WEEK suspension, with only one game of chat log against me. I could wax eloquent about how I was put on tilt by a jungler going into match with wrong masteries and smiteless, top lane repeatedly saying "GG" upon that revelation before going on to a 1-5 score, and mid lane repeatedly complaining he needed help from aforementioned jungler (on way to a 1-6 score)...but why go in depth? Sad thing is, while I did go on tilt and began berating our top and mid, after also giving a tip to our jung to gain more XP in lane, I was then apparently reported by everyone on my team, even the jungler I sought to help and defend. (Because no matter how you cut it, his inability to make an early impact didn't excuse sloppy play by others or give them right to flame him.) I'll admit, I was a bit toxic, cussing at people, but without any threats or deathwishes. How then does this earn a 2 week ban from one chat log, without any ban prior?

The system is rather arbitrary, and for as toxic I have been at times, I have not once seen an alert of a troll or cancerous player I've been forced to suffer in game receive a sanction.

I would like to put forth three assertions. First, the system now is far less forgiving toward frustrated players than Tribunal was. Rather than the context of a full chat log, apparently only one person's words are examined, and sometimes a single game rather than the 3 which I had thought was the minimum required for punitive action.

Secondly, the community is becoming vastly oversensitive to words, even if slurs, threats, or malicious wishes are never uttered. (I suggest it is a symptom of a society that is absurdly obsessed with correctness, reinforcing the idea that wrongs should not be admonished strongly lest it hurt someone's feelings.) I've seen players whine of "toxic" or "harassment" when teammates in frustration tell them to stop feeding, or play safe just in caps without actually crossing a social verbal line. Likewise, players will engage in passive-aggressive chat, or baiting behavior in both lobby and early game, then fast as a whip cry foul and "gonna report" when someone hits a break point.

Third, Riot should simply go all-out and not permit a chat filter to be disabled. If players are incapable of quickly and easily making socially unacceptable words known, then the average toxicity of matches and the player base will drop. If someone truly wishes to take the time to shorthand or leetspeak enough in chat to flame and make slurs/threats intelligible, that truly exposes the difference between a toxic player and a frustrated one, which would make punishments and sanctions far simpler and effective to enforce.

TL:DR - New system and trying something besides Tribunal is ok, but this is unfair to some players. Go back to drawing table for a moderation/punishment system. Or better yet, an actual reward system for consistent positive attitude and interactions. Carrot beats stick, every time.

Palmeiras SerieB8/12/2016, 1:24:02 AM3 votes

>League of Legends >punishments

pick one

VivaLaKitten8/11/2016, 10:50:32 PM2 votes

There's only two things I'm really worried about http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/2yMfJKP1-a-problem-with-the-report-system I go over them both in this thread

DrCyanide8/11/2016, 9:00:19 PM2 votes

I don't agree with it being hard to avoid punishments, but I can respect asking if the system is working as it should be.

Astôlfo8/12/2016, 12:31:40 PM2 votes

Incorrect.

AdeBug8/11/2016, 8:22:22 PM1 votes

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/9yNVAqJi-are-afks-feeders-etc-actually-smurfs-that-freeze-the-account-level-to-keep-boosting-a-friend

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/kGEHeGtJ-can-we-penalize-the-banning-of-team-champs-or-add-a-hint-so-accidents-dont-happen

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/0Ejsdro9-so-why-is-there-a-kled-wanting-to-be-my-support-with-ignite

Morality Coach8/12/2016, 5:01:06 AM1 votes

You can be a huge dick all the time every game in LoL and not get punished.

If you get punished you are too extreme, bottom line.

Yes We Cancer8/13/2016, 3:37:56 PM1 votes

Lul, tilting guys like you until they go full apesht and reporting them after is the best xD

TDL Jump8/11/2016, 8:20:37 PM1 votes

I got off a 2 week ban NEARLY 2 MONTHS AGO, granted, I shouldn't have consumed alcohol and played League, intense flaming was imminent, but almost 2 months and STILL cannot receive and loot, it's outrageous. I should make 20 accounts just to bump this because it's the only post that makes sense.

AllahThaGreatest8/12/2016, 1:15:26 AM

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  • Your power goes out? Fuck you, take a leaver buster punishment.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. but no seriously i agree with this. i have been punished many times for my computer losing power or shutting off on me and teammates beign salty af about it. am i using that word right? salty?