I think the Mundo buffs went a bit too far

spooky goast·May 4, 2018·26 votes·12,014 views

Even with Greivous wounds, his MId Game (note that he does somewhat fall off past level 16 though once the adcs get to full build) is obscene. The amount of damage he takes and deals is absurd. He can run around tanking turrets and 3-4 champions and still not go down for 10 seconds. And in the time that they foucsed mundo the rest of his team either got an objective or killed the rest of them. But if you don't focus mundo he outputs insane levels of damage. I don't think such a drastic buff was needed for Mundo's ult, especially because the thing Mundo does struggle with (Being kited or locked down by cc chains), Still happens, just now he never dies.

32 Comments

Meep ManMay 4, 201813 votes

I feel like I just say things before patches come out now, people downvote me or throw out some reason why I'm wrong, and then threads like these get made and I'm just like, "Yeah, that's what I was saying before this even came out."

They already have plans for a nerf, increasing his ult cost from 20% at all ranks to 25/30/35%.

FilDaFunkMay 5, 20181 votes

Me with runes reforged.

Chembaron YamadaMay 4, 201810 votes

I just wish they would finally give him his VGU.

Lippen27May 5, 20187 votes

how dare that tank champ tank ungodly amounts of damage like a tank.

HOW DARE HE.

NERF!!!

DrMundo

[slayer-jinx-unamused]

ΤohruMay 5, 20184 votes

To me the problem is that he's healing for too much and not so much the damage. 60% was already really strong and building exectioneer wasnt that bad since you get him down to 36% (without visage) however bumping that up to 100% and then 60% if you have grevious wounds is just unbearable. You can essentially say that he has 12 seconds of invincibility much like Alistar but he's allowed to deal damage since he's not a support.

AramennocMay 5, 20181 votes

Come on, I agree that the buffs went too far, but his ult was really weak considering how easy it is now to apply grievious wound. As you said, his ult regen was going down to 36% at rank 3 when affected by grievious wound ; this even lower than his rank 1 ult heal (wich were 40%) ! Moreover 36% may still seem a lot, but keep in mind that this regen is spread during 12s, meaning 3% max health per second. Again, I agree that this buff is too much, but players also need to understand how to itemize correctly against him. Personnaly I like this nerf cause it ll require Mundo to be tanky enough to be able to ult without dying before getting enough regen.

My Waifu VanillaMay 6, 20181 votes

Why would I buy BoRK against one of the lowest armor highest hp melee champions in the game? That doesn't let me crit even though crit doesn't do anything when he runs me down since I do negative damage to him! Until Mundo gets thornmail or invests in like 2 armor items he gets destroyed by %damage since his base armor is ADC levels (he caps out at like 1 armor more than Caitlyn meanwhile most tanks cap at 100+). Also, Mundo only does damage if he hits cleavers. Otherwise he just gets kited around by the rest of your team and the clock drains away on his ulti while he is running at full health (since you are kiting and not actually damaging him).

Another thing is "if mundo is getting focused his ADC isn't" only works if you are actually fighting mundo. If everyone on your team disengages Mundo which is the EASIEST thing to do right now since Mundo is MAINLY a jungler and no one plays tanks top lane in solo queue that means his team HEAVILY lacks hard CC to actually prevent your team from walking away from him after some sort of disengage ability at which point you just re-engage after his ult wears off. If you eat 6 cleavers to the face then yeah you will probably die, but at that point you should try to avoid getting hit by 6 infected cleavers.

aezensMay 5, 20187 votes

The problem is he doesn´t just tank damage but does stupid damage with %hp and bonus hp scaling as well. I had several games against and with him. In these games there where scenarios where they have to retrieve in an 3v1 against mundo. Also You are literally unable to kill him without the help of a feed crit adc´s or sustain dps apc´s.

Elkington VIMay 5, 20187 votes

Honestly, that's how Mundo is supposed to be. He has no reliable utility and, like you said, he's vulnerable to CC focus. If he simply died in a couple seconds (like he did to adc damage before the buff) there would be no point in picking him.

MarothennanMay 5, 20186 votes

So he should 1v5? Cause that's what Mundo does every time he's strong.

LordGeovanniMay 5, 20181 votes

And building 6 defensive items you should be able to 1v5 in the front on an enemy team for some amount of time just on the items alone but penetration items pretty much screw those defenses while they still have ad/ ap so they are still useful beyond negateing defenses

Orange CaramelMay 5, 20186 votes

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Honestly, that's how Mundo is supposed to be. He has no reliable utility and, like you said, he's vulnerable to CC focus. If he simply died in a couple seconds (like he did to adc damage before the buff) there would be no point in picking him.

Weak to focus? If mondo is getting focused that means that his ADC isn't getting focused while mundi still wreaks havoc even while focusef

Elkington VIMay 5, 20184 votes

Personally, I don't have much issue with him. I'm used to dealing with him on 3v3, where he has always been much stronger. With how much damage adcs do, along with all the knockups, shields, and general peel, I'm sure you'll figure something out.

At least he doesn't have any annoying, flashy outplay buttons and he's weak to kiting if he can't consistently land cleavers.

InfernapeMay 5, 20186 votes

That's what happens when you buff the stats of a champion that does nothing but stat check.

Feel ApathyMay 5, 20186 votes

Mundo has always dealt insane damage with his %current hp Q and steroid on E, it's just too difficult to kill him now.

item 3193 + his ult is absolutely insane. And if he suddenly gets out of a fight while already soaking for his team - item 3065 item 3083 will pump him back up in no time.

AmetDeCryptMay 4, 20184 votes

sure be nice if the bronze balance team could know ahead of time that these were bad changes.

greekvandaLMay 5, 20181 votes

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sure be nice if the bronze balance team could know ahead of time that these were bad changes.

PLEASE they are silver. they are top 60% !!111!!eleven11one1!!

5050BSMay 5, 20181 votes

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sure be nice if the bronze balance team could know ahead of time that these were bad changes.

Thats with almost all changes they make. Its like they have very uncreative people who cant think outside the box on how something will be used.

Handy Sandy May 5, 20184 votes

Along with Diana , he's one of the unpopular champions that are broken as fuck but still have "counterplay" lmao

If your adc dies he will litterally 1v4 your team no matter how fed anyone else on your team. Even if your adc is there it's not a guarantee you'll have enough damage to actually kill him.

XeroKimoMay 5, 20184 votes

I looked at the buff, and first thing that I thought was, S2 Mundo is back again........

MUNDO GOES WHERE HE PLEASES

mundo bot horrors in season 2, have 5 noobs focus him and he still gets out alive scott free

Orange CaramelMay 4, 20183 votes

Yeah Riot knows they majorly fucked up with Mundo.

Dr. Mundo [Changelist] Sadism (R) cost increased from [20% current health] to [25/30/35% current health]

ΤohruMay 5, 20184 votes

Should've chopped off some of the healing instead of the cost tbh. This'll hardly do anything.

ReformedfindlayMay 5, 20182 votes

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Should've chopped off some of the healing instead of the cost tbh. This'll hardly do anything.

No the cost increase definitely hurts

ÈvilMortyMay 5, 20182 votes

Well take away his only strong point and your left with a really underwhelming champ, besides if the game goes past 25-30min he gets focused down in 2 seconds with a 3 item adc

Pls Grow A PairMay 5, 20182 votes

Just played against mundo after this rediculous buff. Lost top lane hard af but didn't matter cuz he runs through our whole team with R and shreds our squisihies. Couldn't even touch the enemy backline because of him lol

The riot balance team once again proving they are a bunch of incompetent monkeys with cocaine addictions

MarothennanMay 5, 20181 votes

Galio Q buff all over again

nelogisMay 5, 20181 votes

It's called powercreep, now we need to increase ADC damage towards tanks even more (which the changes on the PBE do) so Mundo is balanced again. Then we need to buff every other tank to Mundo level of tankiness and jada jada blabla I'm sick and tired of this balance team.

My Waifu VanillaMay 6, 20181 votes

Mundo is affected the least with the IE changes since all of his defensive stats are in health and not resists. He has one of the highest health pools out of the "tanks", but his armor is ranged champion levels of poor. Maokai and other tanks have ~110 armor meanwhile Mundo is rocking a clean 95 at max level. Also, he tends to build less armor than other tanks since he LOVES Warmogs as a 3rd item (second in the jungle after cinderhulk meaning ZERO resists for the first like 6000g).