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Can morellonomicon not be a must buy on every mage in the entire game?

Frontline Fury··3 votes·1,760 views

Morellonomicon is once again an obligatory item for all mages in the game, in all roles. You see it in every single game with any mage in it - wether they be jungle, mid or bot lane. Can we have a separate item for grievous wounds and magic penetration? Executioner's calling does not provide armor penetration and bramble vest does not provide health, so why should morellonomicon provide both on top of the extreme ability power?

19 Comments

Düff McWhalen4 votes

It's not. It's there to apply Grievous Wounds from what I understand which is for reducing sustain tanks and enchanter heals and lifesteal in general.

item 3135 is better for MR shred period, and if the enemy isn't building much MR then why worry about Spell Penetration other than item 3020 ?

Maybe there is something I'm missing here... but it just seems to me that item 3165 is not, in fact, needed on every mage.

Crispy0Snake2 votes

You're missing the hp it gives, and flat magic pen is really good vs squishy targets, the ones you want to kill as a mage

The hp is really good because it means you can then survive certain situations that you otherwise wouldn't, and preps you if you want to get the most out of a resist item

The grievous wounds is always useful, I think it's gated to the full item so that you can't get it in the laning phase

Frontline Fury1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Düff McWhalen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=RVeNzFOE,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-05-25T19:14:03.184+0000)

It's not. It's there to apply Grievous Wounds from what I understand which is for reducing sustain tanks and enchanter heals and lifesteal in general.

item 3135 is better for MR shred period, and if the enemy isn't building much MR then why worry about Spell Penetration other than item 3020 ?

Maybe there is something I'm missing here... but it just seems to me that item 3165 is not, in fact, needed on every mage.

It's not necessary for all mages. It's optimal. It gives you magic penetration, a buttload of AP and health.

Lunar ArcS1 votes

It's not necessary for all mages

Can morellonomicon not be a must buy on every mage in the entire game?

Explain

Frontline Fury1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Lunar ArcS,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=RVeNzFOE,comment-id=000000010000,timestamp=2019-05-26T05:48:54.216+0000)

Can morellonomicon not be a must buy on every mage in the entire game?

Explain

Every mage in the game builds morellonomicon. You see it in every single match that has mages in it - even when the enemy team has no form of healing whatsoever. Most people don't even build it for the grievous wounds. It's a stat stick that, for mages, is stronger than trinity force is for champions like Jax or Irelia costing nearly 800 less gold.

The biggest problem is the 80 AP, 18 magic pen more grievous wounds by itself - it's a 0 counterplay item as the SLIGHTEST bit of spell damage applies grievous wounds crippling healing for as long as spell damage is taken (so any sort of DoT essentially permanently disables sustain on a champion), the only way most of the champions in the game can hope to fight back against its wielders in the first place. It's basically a deus ex machina - the one item alone counters ALL champions classes, from marksman to tank - any items focused around sustain (e.g item 3065 ) have their cost efficiency nearly halved by this item, and not only does it help deal with targets with a lot of health, it also makes its wielder a lot tankier themselves.

It's equivalent to item 3142 + item 1011 + item 3123 all mixed into one item.

Lunar ArcS1 votes

It's a stat stick that, for mages, is stronger than trinity force is for champions like Jax or Irelia costing nearly 800 less gold.

No thats just wrong, it gives 15 pen which is why a lot of ap users like it but it is not their only option and it certainly isnt every game. It's 70 AP 300 hp, and 15 pen stop exaggerating. It's not broken and it just got nerfed

Frontline Fury1 votes

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No thats just wrong, it gives 15 pen which is why a lot of ap users like it but it is not their only option and it certainly isnt every game. It's 70 AP 300 hp, and 15 pen stop exaggerating. It's not broken and it just got nerfed

You're right, my knowledge of it is outdated. And yet it's picked up in every single game. Goes to show it hasn't been nerfed enough.

Lunar ArcS1 votes

So when most adcs buy ie it should be nerfed? Or when enchanters buy ardent? You are so fucking wrong, and statistics will even prove you wrong

Frontline Fury1 votes

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So when most adcs buy ie it should be nerfed? Or when enchanters buy ardent? You are so fucking wrong, and statistics will even prove you wrong

Does IE provide health? Grievous wounds? Armor pen? Is IE a niche item intended to counter a specific type of champion? Is Ardent censer? No, they're not. Morellonomicon is.

Lunar ArcS1 votes

So you say morello is a NICHE ITEM,

denoting or relating to products, services, or interests that appeal to a small, specialized section of the population.

^definition of niche. So either you're trolling or confused. First you say it is rushed on EVERY ap user. Then you say well not necessarily every single one and THEN you say every mage buys it, then you say it's niche. You've contradicted yourself at least 4 time.

Furthermore, ardent is extremely niche as ONLY enchanters buy it with the exception of say, lux. So you're just wrong there.

Morello is an item that is good because it gives pen and with the surplus healing in the game, it gives gw that doesnt need to be nerfed as it isnt broken. It's a 3k gold item, something far cheaper than most ad items. Try again

Frontline Fury1 votes

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So you say morello is a NICHE ITEM,

^definition of niche. So either you're trolling or confused. First you say it is rushed on EVERY ap user. Then you say well not necessarily every single one and THEN you say every mage buys it, then you say it's niche. You've contradicted yourself at least 4 time.

Furthermore, ardent is extremely niche as ONLY enchanters buy it with the exception of say, lux. So you're just wrong there.

Morello is an item that is good because it gives pen and with the surplus healing in the game, it gives gw that doesnt need to be nerfed as it isnt broken. It's a 3k gold item, something far cheaper than most ad items. Try again

https://i.gyazo.com/c265d55a84328677a2e7fa2a64fbf57b.png

What's this in your match history? You built an item designed to provide grievous wounds on a champion with in-built grievous wounds? I wonder why! It's almost as if the item is so ungodly overpowered that you don't care about the passive whatsoever - it's worth picking up regardless due to the extreme stats it provides!

Lunar ArcS1 votes

What's this in your match history? You built an item designed to provide grievous wounds on a champion with in-built grievous wounds?

Because im not killing things with ult every time? That should be common sense.

Meanwhjile you said amumu takes it and in your match history you didnt buy it.

Frontline Fury1 votes

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Because im not killing things with ult every time? That should be common sense.

Meanwhjile you said amumu takes it and in your match history you didnt buy it.

In my match history i was also playing a normal game and amumu top lane, building tank over mage. If i were to play AP Amumu jungle, i'd be running item 1402 item 3165 like 95% of all mage junglers in league of legends. If you've never even seen this once, i have bad news for you.

Malix Farwin1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Düff McWhalen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=RVeNzFOE,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-05-25T19:14:03.184+0000)

It's not. It's there to apply Grievous Wounds from what I understand which is for reducing sustain tanks and enchanter heals and lifesteal in general.

item 3135 is better for MR shred period, and if the enemy isn't building much MR then why worry about Spell Penetration other than item 3020 ?

Maybe there is something I'm missing here... but it just seems to me that item 3165 is not, in fact, needed on every mage.

Its pretty core for if nothing else the extra magic pen + HP. that alone makes it a very powerful buy early. Not every Mage builds it but it wouldnt be far fetched to say that most do but much worse, any mage who builds it, it is considered a core item.

Malix Farwin1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Düff McWhalen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=RVeNzFOE,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-05-25T19:14:03.184+0000)

item 3135 is better for MR shred period, and if the enemy isn't building much MR then why worry about Spell Penetration other than item 3020 ?

Well item 3165 and item 3135 are not competing with each other. If then enemy doesnt build any MR then there are better items to build than item 3135 but if they do than item 3165 complements it. item 3135 is percentage pen while morellos is flat and the penetration from sorc boots and morellos is applied after the calculations for Void Staff meaning no matter what Morellos/Sorc boots are always going to be effective pen.

Ahri Baka4 votes

Can champions with healing not exist in every single game ? If the answer is no , then the answer for your question is also no

Lunar ArcS1 votes

literally what ap jungler buys it.. im so lost lmfao

Frontline Fury1 votes

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literally what ap jungler buys it.. im so lost lmfao

Karthus Elise Diana Amumu Neeko Evelynn Fiddlesticks Gragas Viktor builds it as their 2nd item because of its extreme cost efficiency

Lunar ArcS1 votes

Diana is a tier 5 jungler and doesnt buy it at all unless there is healing. Elise is again very situational Amumu doesn't buy it often, if at all (Peep your game with him you didnt buy it but it was a nice try) Neeko isnt a jungler, try again As someone who plays eve a shit ton on my main in diamond, i will almost never buy morello, its a dogshit item and eve doesnt use it well Fiddle goes runic into zhonyas 100% of the time. Gragas going actual ap rather than tank is a bit odd. Viktor also isnt a jungler, so .. zz

Kinda surprised you think morello is so must buy

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