Suggested Fix for Poacher's Knife

The Yetii Rider··1 votes·260 views

As someone who builds Poacher's in 9/10th of my games, I'd like to propose some balance changes here.

  1. Remove the 20 bonus gold from Smiting and killing an enemy minion. I don't gank at all and still end up 3k gold ahead of the 10/12/20 enemy jungler (he has a lot of deaths because I win, doesn't mean he should be that behind in gold)

  2. Now that we have room to buff the item by taking out the excess gold, let's change it to: If you Smite and kill an enemy monster, it spawns an exact clone in its place. This clone replicates the smaller monsters in the camp if they died before it. When a champion attempts to attack this monster, it explodes, dealing 20% of your Smite damage as true damage and inflicting any champions hit with a -20% damage debuff for 20 seconds. This debuff does not stack with itself in strength, but it DOES stack in duration up to three times (clear the whole jungle, you inflict a -20% damage debuff for 1 minute)

Monsters cannot spawn until their clones have been cleared, but the timer remains the same (if it has been at least 50 seconds the real monsters reappear immediately if they aren't buff monsters).

This seems harsh, but counter junglers are supposed to punish ganking junglers. Currently ganking junglers will just go heal or gank another lane if they have no monsters to farm. With this change, proper dedicated counter jungling makes it much harder for a ganker to do his job properly.

5 Comments

Just Jangle1 votes

Poacher's Knife is useless, i think Rito should just remake it.

The Yetii Rider1 votes

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Poacher's Knife is useless, i think Rito should just remake it.

The main reason Poacher's is useful is the quick Smite recharge. You can go into red side jungle, Smite and kill wolves so you get the sentinel, then have it up again for dragon.

Just Jangle1 votes

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The main reason Poacher's is useful is the quick Smite recharge. You can go into red side jungle, Smite and kill wolves so you get the sentinel, then have it up again for dragon.

Still completely outclassed by every other smite BY A LOT. Either Rito should remove it, or change it.

Kaeblen1 votes

Better Idea: when item 3711 summoner 11 is used to kill a jungle monster in an enemy camp, a ghostly replica of that monster spawns in its place granting sight of the area. The ghostly replica will remain for 50 seconds, or until it is seen by an enemy champion. If it is seen by an enemy champion, it will mark them, granting sight for 4 seconds.

I think this is more in line with the idea of harassing the enemy jungler by way of denying them feed. It also makes it much harder for them to gank, as it would allow you to almost always know where they are. (a utility effect entirely different from the current offensive bent of item 3715 and item 3706 ) If I wanted to punish the enemy jungler by damaging/killing them, I would just get item 3715 , and attack them in their own jungle.

The Yetii Rider1 votes

Granting sight of them isn't good. We have trinkets for that (and they last longer).

The damage debuff is there to make it harder for them to gank lanes, not for you to kill them in their jungle.

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