@Riot I fear you need to hotfix Thunderlord's Decree

CoolKnightST··6 votes·1,694 views

Marksman use it, mages use it, tanks use it, fighters use it & even supports are using it. Lucian Brand Poppy Leona

I have litterly seen full Thunderlord's comp ever since the patch. Currently it's the most broken keystone in the game. I'm not sure I can play a full patch on this...

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AyRe CoNteMpT7 votes

its actually not that good but noobs always liked it even before the patch and now since this patch, cunning is just much better than before. its not about thunderlords, its just that thunderlords is the best keystone from cunning and cunning is very good.

CoolKnightST4 votes

It's a hybrid mastery that is even used on champions like Brand. Supports are even going it over Bond of Stone & Windspeaker's Blessing.

To give a synergy example with a untraditional support like Poppy on level 2. Her combo with thunderlord can oneshot someone.

AyRe CoNteMpT2 votes

at lvl 2, thunderlord deals like 20 damage plus some ad scaling so if you are full ad + dorans maybe 30 dmg...

CoolKnightST2 votes

The supports take AD marks when they take thunderlords. They take the armor penetration (what is also buffed this patch) for the additional burst.

AyRe CoNteMpT1 votes

yeah so +30 dmg. sick.

Bears Dont Care5 votes

It's taken because people are dumb and 2. It's one of the few key stones useful to both mages and assassins.

if an adc takes it they are retarded.

BladeSteel1 votes

only adc i could see it on is lucian...but id still think other masteries are better.

CoolKnightST3 votes

Lucian is indeed the only adc I have seen it right now but I'm pretty sure it's strong on Corki Ezreal KogMaw. Even Graves could in theory use it.

KONO RUBICK DA1 votes

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Lucian is indeed the only adc I have seen it right now but I'm pretty sure it's strong on Corki Ezreal KogMaw. Even Graves could in theory use it

kog using it, rofl

ProfDrDeath3 votes

The problem is not just Thunderlord's, but the combination of Thunderlord's with Precision. Precision, which is literally the strongest mastery right now and which is better than both penetration masteries in Ferocity combined.

CoolKnightST2 votes

Yeah they overbuffed that one hard.

Abyssphere2 votes

It's very popular, yes, but that's not because it's very strong. People are genuinely just taking it because it is "I do more damage". The tanks who are taking it would do better with Grasp of the Undying, but they're not taking that because they're too thick to do the math and realise it'll do comparable damage while healing them.

CoolKnightST2 votes

That's only the case for certain toplaners.

Abyssphere1 votes

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That's only the case for certain toplaners.

...why? At least explain yourself if you're going to make statements like that. Pretty sure tanks do better with GOTU no matter where they are.

Catastrop1 votes

Um what? "Certain toplaners" Any toplaner who will be stacking HP, is definitely going for GOTU. Seriously, burst based on max hp that heals you every 4 seconds when compared to burst every 20 seconds is much more valuable for someone who's going to be in extended brawls. The only top laner's I can think of who wouldn't want GOTU are the AP mages and Riven.

VLsW4Li0eM1 votes

GOTU is definately a good keystone on tanks and frontline champions, but that post's overrating it a little imho.

The current meta is placing a great deal of emphasis on early all ins - GOTU scales better into late game especially on people building tanky/ a lot of HP. I guess it's dependent on the champion taken, how you're building them, the matchup, and both team comps. I just don't see too many 'extended brawls' in top lane these days, mostly quick ganks (where someone either escapes or dies), or quick all ins. There's so much hyper DPS in the current meta that I can't honestly see GOTU being all that efficient (compared to alternatives) except on HP heavy tank champions.

We're talking most of the game quick fights that are over in a few seconds, where a player is not, in a damage role, going have the time to worry about standing and proccing their GOTU for a small percentage of their max hp while 2 assassins are nuking them down. Most of their points, runes, and items should be going into damage to carry their role out as efficiently as possible, and of course some survivability where necessary.

When a carry is putting more into survivability and less into damage, they're not doing their job imho.

Lucky2 votes

"Every1 in my silver elos taking it so its op"

have u considered the possibility that the players r just dumb

CoolKnightST3 votes

Have you concidered they don't fully utilize it. I bet none of them are using AD runes to amplify the damage.

Lucky1 votes

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Have you concidered they don't fully utilize it. I bet none of them are using AD runes to amplify the damage.

Is this a response to my comment? because it addresses literally no part of it.

ProfDrDeath2 votes

I'm not sure I can play a full patch on this...

Especially not if this is a full month. Next patch is in January.

CoolKnightST2 votes

That's why I'm posting this. I'm probaly posting this to soon and most people don't realise the doom where are going to face this patch. But it's really happening.

Btw, this are just examples on champions that abuse it without item 3124. Dear lord this patch isn't going to end well...

Stars Shaper1 votes

Keystones are too much "lets try to make it usable for every1" and this can't work where characters are so much different. RIght now on Xerath for example I'm not happy with any of them, each one is really situational and doesn't fit with the theme of the long range AoE mage. While this is my singla case I guess other ppl will agree with me for other champions they eprsonally experienced.

Critmaster Garen1 votes

i still go grasp. if youre stacking health instead of ap or ad, there is no reason to take thunderlords.

one thing they could do is lower the base damage significantly and increase the scaling. so it evens out for assassins and mages who stack a lot of ad or ap.

though i have to say with how shitty the resolve tree is, cunning looks more and more interesting.

the resolve masteries are pretty much shit, and only the keystones are good.

Light deus1 votes

its taken because they nerfed all the other dmg mastery while thunderlord has only gotten buffed

CoolKnightST2 votes

On that point your right. Even dot mages like Brand Swain that can abuse Deathfire Touch take Thunderlord's now. If even the champions that could abuse Deathfire Touch aren't taking it anymore. Something is really wrong.

Sasogwa1 votes

Thunderlord was already strong back when warlord and fervours were OP. It was just outshined, and now it's on the spotlight. So yeah, right now compared to other keystones it's just better

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