People say support can't win if their team is behind after laning

Hexs Fortune·Jan 31, 2017·2 votes·1,040 views

I say that's a funny way to spell ADC

30 Comments

ZILLAGULAJan 31, 20171 votes

Generally supports whine too much. They (often) have the easiest job in the game.

ScissorsNstuffJan 31, 20174 votes

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Generally supports whine too much. They (often) have the easiest job in the game.

If you think support is easy you're probably doing it wrong

ZILLAGULAJan 31, 20171 votes

Not trying to generalize here.

But I'd say anyone can spam Janna and get to low plat.

KalikkoJan 31, 20174 votes

Not when you have adcs who have an IQ of gromp.

MissingKayoJan 31, 20172 votes

That's rude to Gromp. I'll have you know, Gromp is royalty.

He is... ahem Lord Grompulus Kevin Ribbiton of Croaksworth.

dominusxJan 31, 20171 votes

oh yes they have it easy. If my highest winrate comes from supporting ( because i support a lot since i get bored of laning ) then i think a main would have an even easier time. Support is easy as fck all you gotta do is not die most of the time. Just pick a moving cc bot or a shield bot and you are golden.

Mecha MaIphiteJan 31, 20171 votes

Vision control
Roaming
Peeling/engaging
2v2 lane mechanics

Am I missing anything?

A Vel Koz MainJan 31, 20171 votes

No but support is generally hardest because you have to rely on your adc to know what they're doing, if they can't everything you just listed gets multiplied in difficulty by 3 at the minimum.

Mecha MaIphiteJan 31, 20171 votes

That's not difficulty, that's just impact. I could easily say that any role is hard if you have a bad team.

A Vel Koz MainJan 31, 20171 votes

You can't. Because in all the other lanes that's solely on you, nobody else. The adc is like the support playing as Nidalee, example. Every ability the adc uses and misses, that's a missed ability for the support, as supports generally don't go in for kills, they are mean't to protect and maybe poke depending on the support. However if a top laner, by himself mind you, misses an ability, who does that effect? Nobody except the top laner or when the jungler ganks. When you miss an ability it does not have an impact on the outcome of a game, it has an impact on the difficulty because you now have one skill that isn't able to be used again for awhile. It's like a Handicap, having a support is a handicap. If the support misses a skill, then what? The game isn't impacted, the difficulty of your lane increases because with that missed skill comes added pressure, and thought processing and too much thought = gg.

Mecha MaIphiteJan 31, 20171 votes

But couldn't that argument be made just as well for ADC? If anything, I feel as though supports have more power in lane.

I've carried bad ADC players, and I've also been carried by good supports (ADC is my worst role). Especially with engage-heavy supports, you can really decide how the lane is going to go.

A Vel Koz MainJan 31, 20171 votes

It could yes, but the enemy team is also a factor in that, if you are by yourself like I said, it only effects you. If you are with someone it effects both of you. A lot of time if I get carried by my adc or support it's because I or the adc/supp capitalized on the enemy teams missed skills. It's also about knowing what champion you are up against. Example:

If I'm against a Jhin and I or my supp miss a skill, we're outdone by Jhin by default with no other contributing factors, if he misses his W, that's damage I won't get hit by, by either him or his support. That puts us on an even field, I can go back in a bit, if he misses another skill of his in that short window, I'm ahead and I should capitalize on it. If the jungler ganks, I have 5 free skills to help earn a kill of some sort for a total of 12-15 skills that could be hits or misses.

A DoorknobJan 31, 20171 votes

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No but support is generally hardest because you have to rely on your adc to know what they're doing, if they can't everything you just listed gets multiplied in difficulty by 3 at the minimum.

It's hardest to carry a game with support. It's not hardest role to play.

ZILLAGULAJan 31, 20171 votes

Not sure if you're implying that Support is hard, but having 4 points to learn isn't really much.

Mecha MaIphiteJan 31, 20171 votes

I'm saying that as a role, it's pretty easy.

Obviously some champions are mechanically harder but that applies to every role.

ScissorsNstuffJan 31, 20171 votes

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Vision control

Roaming

Peeling/engaging

2v2 lane mechanics

Am I missing anything?

-support is generally default shotcaller -risk management for playmaking -jungle(r) control -dragon control -anti assassin (yes this counts as its own job)

and in some cases

carrying games.

Mecha MaIphiteJan 31, 20171 votes

-support is generally default shotcaller

Could also be jungler, or just whoever takes the initiative

-risk management for playmaking

Doesn't this apply to other roles as well?

-jungle(r) control

More so the jungler's job

-dragon control

Jungler's job again

-anti assassin (yes this counts as its own job)

That counts as peeling

carrying games.

Again, every role

ScissorsNstuffJan 31, 20171 votes

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Could also be jungler, or just whoever takes the initiative

default for a reason. Jungler typically doesn't control the cc and the space around the game ending damage dealer

Doesn't this apply to other roles as well?

not to the degree of the support. while you're getting ready for poke the support has to predict, position, and ward. Hence why in most guides for support roles you'll get a lot of boot and positioning talk

More so the jungler's job

jungler doesn't typically have time for this nor the wards for this. 2 is not enough.

Jungler's job again

actually bot is more responsible for dragon "control" than the jungler. Its half the point of sending 2 bot in the first place. Its a lot easier in higher level games due to their predictive power however.

That counts as peeling

its not just peeling, you don't stop fed assassins just by peeling

Again, every role

carrying as a support is not the same as other roles

khorneyJan 31, 20171 votes

supp is easy to do. how hard is it to ward? and or peelish for the adc. I mean sure i hate jhin with a passion becuase i lose 99% of the gmes when there is a jhin on my team and last night i do not even bother trying when there is a jhin on my team anymore becuase probability states that i will most likely lose

ScissorsNstuffJan 31, 20171 votes

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supp is easy to do. how hard is it to ward?

90% of people do really shit warding

and or peelish for the adc.

which you cant always do unless you do shit warding and always have time to spare

I mean sure i hate jhin with a passion becuase i lose 99% of the gmes when there is a jhin on my team and last night i do not even bother trying when there is a jhin on my team anymore becuase probability states that i will most likely lose

It helps to be good at support when you have a jhin

khorneyJan 31, 20171 votes

it helps if the adc doesnt use jhin, doesnt help i lose every time he is on my team it doesnt matter whom i am or where i am i lose. same goes for

DokkaebiJan 31, 20171 votes

I'd enjoy watching you trynna hit a Blitzcrank hook

sobi999Jan 31, 20172 votes

Avoiding a blitz hook in lane is the most annoying thing ever.

JUSTleavJan 31, 20171 votes

Thats why I became a Blitz main :p

ScissorsNstuffJan 31, 20171 votes

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Avoiding a blitz hook in lane is the most annoying thing ever.

Trying to get blitz to grab you can be equally frustrating Leona Taric

DokkaebiFeb 3, 20171 votes

That's why Leona has a super easy engage and as a Taric, you're just gonna stand there as a free kill after your stun wears off.

ScissorsNstuffFeb 3, 20171 votes

if they run you kill blitz if they don't you kill them

if they ever get a chance to run that is.

remember this is duolane btw

DokkaebiFeb 3, 20171 votes

If the blitz is good, there is nothing you can do anymore. Just don't leave your lane so he can't team fight and wish that the other lanes don't feed.

sobi999Jan 31, 20171 votes

When i go top i am relaxed because i know my own mistakes will cost me the lane however at bot lane it's different. You need to co-operate with your adc always trying to protect him from dying. I'll say some supp have it easy but some supp really have to put effort into it. Although generally i find mid kinda hard because jungler will come so often just because of roaming.