Also champs that are oppressive thanks to other things than poke
(some of them also have good poke):
Or give us 10 bans per team.
Thanks for downvotes, poke champ mains
k wìx5 votesNo. It's an easy strategy to counter.
Dr Poro4 votesEnlighten me. I'm only 2067 MMR on ARAM, how do you counter a comp that wins in 10 minutes? Remember that you have to waveclear while 4 enemies are shooting at you from twice the distance of any of your abilities and if you jump on them, they have multiple slows, snares and stuns.
k wìx3 votes[{quoted}](name=Dr Poro,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=R3EWyeuV,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2016-09-11T19:49:41.985+0000)
Enlighten me. I'm only 2067 MMR on ARAM, how do you counter a comp that wins in 10 minutes? Remember that you have to waveclear while 4 enemies are shooting at you from twice the distance of any of your abilities and if you jump on them, they have multiple slows, snares and stuns.
Alright, first and foremost, I'm a fan of increasing the bans. Have been for awhile. That's for Ranked, Normals, and Arams.
I think you could argue that the biggest problem in ARAM right now is Sustain and lack of objectives. 'Poke' being OP is just a side effect of these issues. You posing the argument that 'Poke' is cancer and is 'Destroying Arams' is wrong. It's frustrating to play against, sure, but that's about it.
Further note: I think ARAM is some of the best training grounds in league for juking, dodging skillshots, and learning basic positioning principles. Half the issue of people thinking POKE = WIN in these game modes is that unskilled players are just terrible at dodging.
As for countering poke? I can't get too specific because it really depends on who your going up against, and who your playing against. Certain champions are just garbage on aram-style maps (and IMO - that's a MUCH bigger problem than poke) ... so it all depends.
but for a generic answer, these are all good stuff.
Dr Poro2 votesThe problem is that even when you dodge 4/5 of their abilities, you still get quickly killed. I love the addition of and it has made it much better in ARAM, but in Poro King, snowballing is still too heavily in favor of the early game spam poke champs. So far, the team with the highest amount of poke (+other OP) champs has always won the game in the ones I played.
CookyPrince4 votesHe's not referring to ARAM, he meant poro king where you choose your characters as opposed to ARAM where they're random and there's no bans. And yes I do agree poke comps are really unfun but I don't think they're unbeatable especially if you have good engage and/or sustain
aLawfulFalafel1 votes[{quoted}](name=k wìx,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=R3EWyeuV,comment-id=000400000000,timestamp=2016-09-11T20:08:24.454+0000) Further note: I think ARAM is some of the best training grounds in league for juking, dodging skillshots, and learning basic positioning principles. Half the issue of people thinking POKE = WIN in these game modes is that unskilled players are just terrible at dodging.
yup, you see people catch every nidalee spear then complain how op nidalee is in ARAM even though they are facing a nidalee that never uses cougar form and can literally only Q even tho shes OOM from spamming weak heals and having little to no mana / mana regen so she hardly ever tosses a Q anyways
edit : i meant to add that these people need more ARAM, it's OP training (prob should keep em outta the same games where they face players with 5k+ aram games tho ahem rito plz ahem)
Best Kog NA4 votesThat would be restricting champs, Riot really doesn't like doing that in the RGM que.
Dr Poro3 votesLike they wouldn't take out karthus and teemo from One For All.
You could still play them all in customs.
Best Kog NA4 votesThey were extreme scenarios. Karthus b/c of the 5 ults = insta ded. And teemo b/c shrooms everywhere. Both of those are wayyyyyyyy more op than any champ in pro king.
CookyPrince1 votesTeemo had the number of shrooms restricted, he wasn't unplayable if I recall
Diananmen Square1 votesHe was in the latest appearances of One For All.
But when he wasn't, I once played against 5 Teemos. I have to say, it was the most anti-fun experience I have ever had.
BakedLotion1 votes[{quoted}](name=Dr Poro,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=R3EWyeuV,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2016-09-11T19:36:41.202+0000)
Like they wouldn't take out karthus and teemo from One For All.
You could still play them all in customs.
What's so good about karthus anyway? You can just build zhonyas/maw/banshees and he's useless. Even if there are 5, one mr item will be enough to survive
Reikken2 voteshow the heck are swain and sona poke champs? Unlike the others, who all exceed 1000 range, they only have about 850
may as well also include 
you know what, let's just ban everyone except 
Dr Poro2 votesI added swain and sona because they're simply OP champs. Might as well have added Alistar but he didn't have any poke so I left him out. Sona is just the strongest champ in ARAM and by extension in Poro King. Swain and Teemo are also just top 5 winrate champs, not really poke champs. I could indeed add heimer, kog, veigar, sivir and morgana. And oh shit, I forgot about brand.
Reikken2 votesSona may be OP as hell (I am something like 12-0 with her on poro king), but it has nothing to do with her (extremely weak) ability to poke. It's her ability to counter poke. She is the anti poke champ.
undefined241 votesunless they do it in a roundabout way like they did my poor URF
Jinzo Torrance1 votesYay, I can pick Jayce freely and have 2 poke champs. Mastarrace
Dr Poro1 votesThanks, I made the list rather quickly, I forgot to add him.
Jinzo Torrance1 votesC'mon man... It doesn't even fit, it forms a second line of just him...
Dr Poro1 votesAdded brand to give him company.
dominusx1 votesDo you mean you dont have fun in a poro game unless you pick something ranged? do you mean i cant play my favorite champion cause i'm dead as soon as i stand outside my tower? preposterous Dr.P
Dr Poro2 votesThat's exactly what I mean. Except for the outside my turret part because these champs kill you just as easily when you're behind it.
Poro king is about doing these crazy things with the dashes, but in reality, the only melee champs having fun are Alistar, Galio and Blitzcrank.
dominusx1 votesheh why i have fun with kha zix i just have to w8 under my turret(tier2 usually) till i'm level 12 with 3 items to ever get to do something vs their pokers :P
bill841 votesWhen did Galio become a poke champ? Like yeah, he has poke, but it is not really above average. i mean has just as good of poke.
Dr Poro2 votesFine, you win, I'll put the none-poke OPs in a seperate list. Anyways, galio has quite good poke, better than cho (more dmg and more range) but that's not the thing that makes him OP so yeah.
ThePartyLeader1 votesAll random poro king!
Bladerunner77771 votes"Let's put an iron grip on this gamemode that's supposed to be for fun and it only lasts 1 weekend"
ColdBlood1 voteshow the fuck is not being able to play 70+ champions without getting utterly destroyed fun in any way?
Tychusfindlay9191 votesNo need, the snowball can be used to nullify a lot of what poke comps want to do. Especially since the poro snowball is empowered with faster speed and range.
Dr Poro1 votesSnowball clears waves? Snowball kills the poro king instantly? The poro king makes it so that an early advantage is more easily pushed into a turret. Also, the extra damage of the snowballs is an extra advantage to poke comps (remember what Riot said when they nerfed the damage of Mark.)
You can't really engage with the poro toss pre6 unless with alistar to trade yourself with a squishy of their team. The problem with poro king is that the poke comp will reach level 6 first and the engage comp will never have enough health to properly engage.
Tychusfindlay9191 votes[{quoted}](name=Dr Poro,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=R3EWyeuV,comment-id=00090000,timestamp=2016-09-12T17:04:49.264+0000)
Snowball clears waves? Snowball kills the poro king instantly? The poro king makes it so that an early advantage is more easily pushed into a turret. Also, the extra damage of the snowballs is an extra advantage to poke comps (remember what Riot said when they nerfed the damage of Mark.)
You can't really engage with the poro toss pre6 unless with alistar to trade yourself with a squishy of their team. The problem with poro king is that the poke comp will reach level 6 first and the engage comp will never have enough health to properly engage.
Snowball not needed to clear waves. However you can purposefully snowball a backline caster and use it to gap close poke champions.
I do it all the time as darius to get a multiman apprehend. You can just all in trade at that point, the teams that is.
ZT Xperimentor1 votesThe 10 bans is supposed to happen, eventually, whenever riot stops dragging their feet.