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Perfect example of power creep from patch notes.

xJLx MCHammer··8 votes·624 views

Blade of the Ruin king was buffed for not being a tank shredder. It was buffed too much that riot decides to increase the cost by 100! What do they do next? item 3812 item 3072 item 3074 all get a small "minor" buff of 5 AD added WHY

At what point does AD damage need to be increase? What is their reasoning? If you are nerfing BOTRK by increasing the cost, why must rriot still buff ad damage? Then they wonder why ADC champions like Vayne or Cait can 3 shot champions when only 2-3 seasons ago, these champions wouldn't be able to do that until the end game.

Now? You see champions damage spike at mid game despite being "designed" to do so late game. I'm sure someone is going to say that this is only 5 AD, who cares? The reality is, power creep does not happen over the course of 1 patch. It happens over the course of a year plus.

Just the last 3 patches, all AD items that ADC's buy has been buffed despite having one nerf. Overall, the trend is... ad gets buffed

FYI to anyone else, increase cost, does not mean AD damage has been decreased. It just means it's delayed!

20 Comments

MrHaZeYo3 votes

They nerfed pen items and compensated AD champs by buffing the 3 major lifesteal items.

xJLx MCHammer2 votes

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They nerfed pen items and compensated AD champs by buffing the 3 major lifesteal items.

They also added AD to items that didn't use to have AD like Guardian Angel...

Like I said, there are nerfs to items..sure like black cleaver or LW but overall it's buff. The trend is to buff items more than to nerf them back to place.

Basically, when Riot buffs a champion too much, they tend to nerf it. You don't see them buffing every champion to compensate for "diversity" as their patch notes say.

Yet when it comes to certain items (AD), they rather buff them all to create diversity.

FireDrizzle3 votes

An adc spends 200-300 less gold(300 if Botrk isnt part of your buildJhin ) to reach their full build now, 400 or 500 less with item 3508 and item 3031. I think that makes more difference than an extra 5 ad on your build, not that they are better than Botrk yet anyway. This does even out the adcs but botrk should be nerfed harder actually nerfed, not adc's reaching their disgusting lategame quicker and the other LS items buffed.

I made a thread before saying this patch's buffs to lifesteal items is powercreep. Hextech is outclassed by Botrk as well, why the fuck should champs like Kennen with ap scaling prefer Botrk? If lifesteal is being buffed, why not revert the nerf to Hextech gunblade? Ravenous is still inferior to Botrk and the difference between it and Deaths Dance has widened.

Acheron161 votes

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An adc spends 200-300 less gold(300 if Botrk isnt part of your buildJhin ) to reach their full build now, 400 or 500 less with item 3508 and item 3031. I think that makes more difference than an extra 5 ad on your build, not that they are better than Botrk yet anyway. This does even out the adcs but botrk should be nerfed harder actually nerfed, not adc's reaching their disgusting lategame quicker and the other LS items buffed.

I made a thread before saying this patch's buffs to lifesteal items is powercreep. Hextech is outclassed by Botrk as well, why the fuck should champs like Kennen with ap scaling prefer Botrk? If lifesteal is being buffed, why not revert the nerf to Hextech gunblade? Ravenous is still inferior to Botrk and the difference between it and Deaths Dance has widened.

God forbid adcs do anything or have any agency in the game before 25 mins.

FireDrizzle1 votes

You know what really lacks agency? Facing a ranged champ that can brawl with you standing still. And I dont mean with a gold advantage, I mean late.

Acheron162 votes

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You know what really lacks agency? Facing a ranged champ that can brawl with you standing still. And I dont mean with a gold advantage, I mean late.

Then... don't?

The only ones that can do so late game are assassins. Why do people try to duel a class made to do damage with a tank or an enchanter and then come here to complain?

"Hurr durr I tried dueling Vayne as Leona or Soraka and I got killed." No shit mate

FireDrizzle2 votes

"Hurr durr I tried dueling Vayne as Leona or Soraka and I got killed." No shit mate

If you play a juggernaut an adc can statcheck you with no kiting, but sure thats the way the game should work. A mobile adc with invisibility and self peel needs to be able statcheck melee fighters even without kiting. Makes a lot of sense. I know! "MUH EARLY GAME!". Every wonder why most juggernauts are never played?

I barely played Leona or Soraka ever, at least you have better things to do then stalk people you disagree with I guess, unlike other posters on these boards.

In your other post you say adcs are weak early but if so, why is no one playing mages bot to exploit this? An "early game" adc will either be stronger early or late I would say.

Acheron161 votes

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If you play a juggernaut an adc can statcheck you with no kiting, but sure thats the way the game should work. A mobile adc with invisibility and self peel needs to be able statcheck melee fighters even without kiting. Makes a lot of sense. I know! "MUH EARLY GAME!". Every wonder why most juggernauts are never played?

I barely played Leona or Soraka ever, at least you have better things to do then stalk people you disagree with I guess, unlike other posters on these boards.

In your other post you say adcs are weak early but if so, why is no one playing mages bot to exploit this? An "early game" adc will either be stronger early or late I would say.

Now I know you're just spewing shit. If you get to any ADCs face as Darius, Illaoi or Garen and they dont move away from you, the juggernaut will demolish them always unless you build 100% tank (even so it would be very dqnagerous for the adc) or you are behind/ he's fed.

And the boards have a little thing in the top right corner where notifications are present. Sorry I wanted to correct you to make you stop spreading false info, but I guess some people just want to have final say instead of learning.

Oh and mages arent played bot much because they get more experience mid, at which point they rotate bot along with the jungler (and sometimes top as well) to murder the opposing bot duo and get their tower. You know, that thing everyone that plays bot is always complaining about on these boards?

Why gimp yourself by giving EXP to the support when you can solo lane and be 2 levels ahead of the enemy?

ALSO... Ziggs is played bot instead of an ADC. Make of that what you will.

FireDrizzle1 votes

Illaoi and Darius yeah. Maybe Garen cant be facetanked if he builds quite a lot of damage. It should take a lot of peel or kiting for an adc to beat a juggernaut, its disgusting that it can be unneccessary or very little needed.

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Mages being stronger mid than bot doesnt stop them playing bot too. If an earlygame adc wasnt a stronger choice in the duo lane you would see mages both. You adc players want to complain that you're weak early when you have options like Lucian that are strong early and late. Only falling off compared to the extreme bs of other adcs. Ziggs isnt meta bot anymore.

xJLx MCHammer2 votes

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God forbid adcs do anything or have any agency in the game before 25 mins.

Yeah, it's not like the entire game revolves around them. They are used to take down turrets. They scale the best. They have the best itemization. They have entire role dedicated to being the support... SOOOO yeah maybe not letting ADC champions scale well into mid game is a good item. Another good idea is to not give them more late game dominance

Acheron161 votes

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Yeah, it's not like the entire game revolves around them. They are used to take down turrets. They scale the best. They have the best itemization. They have entire role dedicated to being the support... SOOOO yeah maybe not letting ADC champions scale well into mid game is a good item. Another good idea is to not give them more late game dominance

  • The game does not revolve around them, they just are the ones with the highest potential damage
  • Mages with a lot of AP can also take down turrets easily by midgame (not even speaking of Ziggs). Late game, all classes take turrets down easily
  • False, Mages have the best itemization
  • Supports, contrary to popular belief, support the TEAM, not the ADC. They just do so early game because it is the weakest role at the time and the one with theoretically the highest gain of gold to be shared.
  • they require a huge gold investment to even be decent. Not good, just decent. Most mages are good even without items, since MR doesnt scale (in the majority of champs anyway)
  • they are terrible early, yet you dont want them to be strong late. When are they supposed to be strong? 50-60 mins into the game? Might as well pick a Veigar or Nasus and stack
Joxcab1 votes

Yeah god forbid the strongest class who absolutely murders everything in lategame have a weak early.

Acheron161 votes

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Yeah god forbid the strongest class who absolutely murders everything in lategame have a weak early.

If only they werent made of wet paper at all stages of the game...

Joxcab1 votes

It's almost like you have range, DPS, and draintanking for a reason.

Big Lincoln2 votes

because armor is higher.

hydra is still trash and only built on like 2 champs Camille Fiora

the bigger buff is to item 3812, maybe now that the damage to DoT is bigger it'll be core on more than 1 champion

xJLx MCHammer1 votes

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because armor is higher.

hydra is still trash and only built on like 2 champs Camille Fiora

the bigger buff is to item 3812, maybe now that the damage to DoT is bigger it'll be core on more than 1 champion

Armor is higher, and HP is lower...

Hydra does not get built on many champions because the sister item, Titanic Hydra is better. They should have nerfed it..instead they buffed other items to compensate. Do you get a trend here? Riot prefers to buff items rather than nerf them

The only item I can say they haven't not buff items is with AP champions. Overall, the past 4 seasons, overall AP has dramatically decreased. Even this patch, overall AP has decreased (with gains to survive-ability)

Salron2 votes

There is more armor in the game now, and LW items were nerfed Seems fair to me

xJLx MCHammer1 votes

Riot, answer

Niyumi1 votes

ADCs are the most profitable class in the game. They need to be god-tier, or Riot isn't being a good, greedy, shitty F2P company.

TyrekGoldenspear1 votes

Yeah, but did you notice that Armor pen was nerfed and armor was buffed?

Also Randuins got a sizable buff.

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