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Shaco got hit hard with the changes

TheOvermind··7 votes·573 views

Ok I understand his early game right now is extremely oppressive and cheesy, but you just right out killed him early game with the new rework: -lost the atk speed reduction vs monsters -no more box stacking for fast early clears -can't proc passive multiple times on monsters (the 200% increase isn't going to make up for the three backstab autos you would have gotten plus a backstab e pre rework) These changes wreck his early game clear speeds and sustain.

  • you are forcing us to Max q now (and for good reason) but you made e useless at lv1. ^ this especially destroys shaco early game. Shaco relies extremely heavily on his e early game to pick up kills and finish off low dmg enemies. I know you have added % missing health on it, but 3% is nothing really at lv1

I'm sorry but I don't think the w and r qol changes make up for the huge early game power budget lost with the rest of his changes.

I personally would suggest you Buff the passive to 25-55% bonus dmg -increase monster bonus to 250% --allow w to be stacked again -give e flat 12 % missing hp damage across all levels.

Remove the damn illuminati boxes dropped by the clone, it's useless and no one asked for it, plus it looks gimmicky.

17 Comments

Lmao Get Mooned4 votes

Good. Shaco is one of the most cancerous champions in the game to jungle against.

Sona x Rubick3 votes

wow, board finally realised that shaco rework sucks cocks?

the early game nerfs were good, like lvl 1 stealth, passive cd, and passive working on E.

Q cooldown nerf WHAT THE FUCK? E 3% missing hp

MEMEME6701 votes

Q cooldown nerf WHAT THE FUCK?

What're you talking about? Unless you're not proccing the 2.5 sec cooldown reduction (which procs if you attack out of stealth or shortly after it), it's only a half second increase in cd. AND, it's actually a lower cooldown once you have 20% cdr.

Sona x Rubick1 votes

that's the problem, why are you nerfing shaco's mobility out of the fight?

MEMEME6701 votes

Because you can't place a pink ward to follow him now?

yoshi27901 votes

Shaco his ult will drop 3 shaco boxes when cast. That's a big enoug buff.

hhaavviikk3 votes

not when you realize these boxes die almost instantly to all the random AOE in team fights

L Psy Kongroo1 votes

The loss of box stacking is completely unacceptable. How exactly do they expect Shaco to clear early game if he can't stack boxes? His first clear will be completely destroyed, and coupled with the early game Q nerfs, ganking is pretty much out of the question.

MEMEME6701 votes

Just put the boxes right next to each other, instead of on top of each other? What's the issue with that exactly?

TequilaZombie1 votes

They have a set distance that they can be from each other. Combine that with their shitty AI of attacking whatever is closer, they will be almost useless when clearing camps at lv 1.

MEMEME6701 votes

Sure, unless you put them in a semicircle around whatever you want them to be hitting, in which case they should work pretty much exactly the same way they work on live.

Unless the distance is something like 100 units or something, but even if it was you can just lure the camp into a preset semicircle of boxes, which while somewhat less efficient isn't nearly as bad as people are making it out to be.

TyroneWatermelon1 votes

This was THE POINT of this change

Handin Out Naps1 votes

Maybe they did it because they want him to be trash until his rework. I wouldn't blame them.

Akali is SO HOT1 votes

I think they added the box effect to his clone just for the memes. I haven't played Shaco at all on PBE yet, but the loss of box stacking is pretty lame.

LXII1 votes

The box stacking isn't that big of an issue, they still get pretty close together you just can't cheese stack 5 of them in a brush. The increased hp is a HUGE improvement since anywhere after early game the current boxes get killed instantly.

I never really play jungle Shaco (or even AD Shaco for that matter) though, so I can't really comment on clear speeds and whatnot. I'm still pretty happy with the changes though.

Spoofghoul1 votes

this is a huge buff to the tank shaco i play and an ok buff to the odd ap shaco i play

assassin shaco is for boring people anyway

SwiftKitten881 votes

personally i HATE Shaco .

but i never really had an issue with his ulti or his dagger

it was his his free flash + long invisbiltiy as well as the FEAR the the boxs and they fact that you couldn't kill them until something made them visible or you had a sweeper.

whic of course donest help you becuase like you said.. shako is strongest early game.. and if you get a sweeper early you wont have ANY ward coverage.

but as soon as shako gets lvl 4 in Q.. NOTHING can stop him from ganking you not matter how many wards u put down.. so his mid game powerspike is going to be CRAZY now

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