Trundle is unplayably bad.
Title says it all. Dude needs seriously massive buffs. If his Pillar is a problem, give him some power elsewhere.
Title says it all. Dude needs seriously massive buffs. If his Pillar is a problem, give him some power elsewhere.
If I cant live for more than 2 seconds in a game where.... I build pure tank. I have a Poppy to ult. There is no tank buster(MF ADC). There is no Conqeror. There is no botrk, LW, or BC. I have a Soraka to synergize with my W.
The champ isn't fulfilling his role. Noone was fed, I wasn't behind, there was just no way to not die to anything that sneezed at me, borderline instantly. I haven't played Trundle a lot this season, since he has fallen off. but I have a pretty high mastery with him, know how to play him, and know what kind of situations he SHOULD be able to thrive in, and as of right now, the only way hes going to thrive is if his team is hard carrying him.
So, once again, .. no Trundle matches in your Match History ... SINCE APRIL!
Unless you're playing on a different account, .. your opinion might be a tad out of date.
He hasn't really received many direct changes this season
V8.2
New Effect: Now draws nearby minion aggro when targeting an enemy champion.
V8.16
Base damage reduced to 20 / 30 / 40 / 50 / 60 from 20 / 40 / 60 / 80 / 100.
V8.18
Cooldown increased to 24 / 22 / 20 / 18 / 16 seconds from 22 / 20 / 18 / 16 / 14.
Slow changed to 15 / 25 / 35 / 45 / 55% from 30 / 35 / 40 / 45 / 50%.
He is still your highest winrate champion on this account for this season ( 18 / 32 ), aside from Leona, but that is only 2 / 3.
So, once again, .. no Trundle matches in your Match History ... SINCE APRIL!
Unless you're playing on a different account, .. your opinion might be a tad out of date.
He hasn't really received many direct changes this season
V8.2
- Subjugate
New Effect: Now draws nearby minion aggro when targeting an enemy champion.V8.16
- Chomp
Base damage reduced to 20 / 30 / 40 / 50 / 60 from 20 / 40 / 60 / 80 / 100.
- AD ratio increased to 0 / 10 / 20 / 30 / 40% AD from 0 / 5 / 10 / 15 / 20% AD. Bonus attack damage duration reduced to 5 seconds from 8.
V8.18
- Pillar of Ice
Cooldown increased to 24 / 22 / 20 / 18 / 16 seconds from 22 / 20 / 18 / 16 / 14.Slow changed to 15 / 25 / 35 / 45 / 55% from 30 / 35 / 40 / 45 / 50%.He is still your highest winrate champion on this account for this season ( 18 / 32 ), aside from Leona, but that is only 2 / 3.
I don't play on this account. Its not the small direct nerfs that hurt him. its the damage creep, he cant tank it.
If I cant live for more than 2 seconds in a game where.... I build pure tank. I have a Poppy to ult. There is no tank buster(MF ADC). There is no Conqeror. There is no botrk, LW, or BC. I have a Soraka to synergize with my W.
The champ isn't fulfilling his role. Noone was fed, I wasn't behind, there was just no way to not die to anything that sneezed at me, borderline instantly. I haven't played Trundle a lot this season, since he has fallen off. but I have a pretty high mastery with him, know how to play him, and know what kind of situations he SHOULD be able to thrive in, and as of right now, the only way hes going to thrive is if his team is hard carrying him.
I just wanna say... Trundle is a bruiser. Who excels in skirmishes and roaming.
Why are you building full tank instead of
+
+
?
You DO realize that unless youre a high tier player you just... cant get away without building damage right?
Or is your definition of tank "i build Titanic hydra, Steraks gauge, black cleaver, then SV and deadmans"?
I just wanna say... Trundle is a bruiser. Who excels in skirmishes and roaming.
Why are you building full tank instead of
+
+
? You DO realize that unless youre a high tier player you just... cant get away without building damage right? Or is your definition of tank "i build Titanic hydra, Steraks gauge, black cleaver, then SV and deadmans"?
He currently doesn't work as a champion unless you prioritize tank items and max Pillar first. Check his builds and his scaling, Titanic Hydra is probably the only damage item he can get away with building right now. After Runes Reforged became a thing, his build options were already limited, but after these latest nerfs he's effectively been shoehorned into a support role, even in the jungle. If you don't build Trundle tank, you're basically a burden to your team.
I can't tell if you are trying to be sarcastic ( because you're seriously failing to make it clear ) or if you have just tried playing him once or twice and you didn't do well and for some reason you think that means that it is him that is unplayable instead of you simply not being good at playing him.
I'm guessing it might be the latter, but I don't see any Trundle matches in your recent match history. I understand that doesn't necessarily mean anything, but I am genuinely confused.
What I'm trying to say is, ... you're wrong.
Trundle is not only playable, but he is flat oppressive in the hands of someone who knows how to play him.
Top trundles only score an average of 48% wr. That pretty much means he is a dead champion. (God bless though since he is one of those champs which give me PTSD attacks).
I am a jungler so I typically think of him as a jungle champion.
He may not be as strong top, .. but in the jungle he is oppressive
I am a jungler so I typically think of him as a jungle champion.
He may not be as strong top, .. but in the jungle he is oppressive
https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/diamond/plus/champion/Trundle/Jungle/
He's garbage in the jungle.
I am a jungler so I typically think of him as a jungle champion.
He may not be as strong top, .. but in the jungle he is oppressive
No I mean the best_ players on average score a 48% winrate
I can't tell if you are trying to be sarcastic ( because you're seriously failing to make it clear ) or if you have just tried playing him once or twice and you didn't do well and for some reason you think that means that it is him that is unplayable instead of you simply not being good at playing him.
I'm guessing it might be the latter, but I don't see any Trundle matches in your recent match history. I understand that doesn't necessarily mean anything, but I am genuinely confused.
What I'm trying to say is, ... you're wrong.
Trundle is not only playable, but he is flat oppressive in the hands of someone who knows how to play him.
http://na.op.gg/champion/trundle/statistics/jungle
I would argue he's only playable in the hands of someone that knows to play him right now, while he's practically useless otherwise. He currently offers nothing early-mid game that other champs can't do better. He doesn't even feel like the same champion until his skills are maxed out, because everything barring his W has been nerfed repeatedly with no comp.
This wouldn't bother me if champs like Graves weren't facerolling in the jungle right now. Riot just seems to let him do what he wants all the time, but no let's gut a team-dependent/strategic champ like Trundle because he was played competitively a few times.
It's always funny to me when people use the "other champions can do the same thing, but better" argument. That really only matters if that other champion is on the other team. Yeah, maybe someone should pick that other champion instead of Trundle, but what matters is what he can do, and he can do a lot of the things that a good jungler needs.
Passive = sustain Q = AD stat stick W = Attack speed and Movement Speed stat stick and increased healing from passive E = Hard crowd control and persisting aoe soft crowd control R = % max hp magic damage to target and premitigation heal over time, and oh look, .. armor and magic resistance stat stick that actually steals the resistances from the target, making them weaker for him to wail on.
His kit is arguably busted.
And yes, it does matter that someone knows how to play him. .. but the same could be said for any champion that isn't flat out overpowered.
BUT, .. his kit is really simple. Lets run it down again. Passive = BE WITHIN 1400 UNITS OF SOMETHING THAT DIES! It doesn't have to be you that kills it. It doesn't even have to be someone on your team if it is a neutral monster! Q = auto attack reset. ... anyone who doesn't know how to use this properly, probably shouldn't be jungling because most good jungle champions have them. (Edit: I said this because I'm a jungler, and I think of him as a jungler) W = It's a massive ground targeted zone. Put it on the ground when you need to kill things, .. proceed to kill things. E = ground targeted, .. put it in choke points, block enemies from escaping or engaging. R = press R and click on the enemy with the most resistances, ... proceed to kill things.
It's always funny to me when people use the "other champions can do the same thing, but better" argument. That really only matters if that other champion is on the other team. Yeah, maybe someone should pick that other champion instead of Trundle, but what matters is what he can do, and he can do a lot of the things that a good jungler needs.
Passive = sustain Q = AD stat stick W = Attack speed and Movement Speed stat stick and increased healing from passive E = Hard crowd control and persisting aoe soft crowd control R = % max hp magic damage to target and premitigation heal over time, and oh look, .. armor and magic resistance stat stick that actually steals the resistances from the target, making them weaker for him to wail on.
His kit is arguably busted.
And yes, it does matter that someone knows how to play him. .. but the same could be said for any champion that isn't flat out overpowered.
BUT, .. his kit is really simple. Lets run it down again. Passive = BE WITHIN 1400 UNITS OF SOMETHING THAT DIES! It doesn't have to be you that kills it. It doesn't even have to be someone on your team if it is a neutral monster! Q = auto attack reset. ... anyone who doesn't know how to use this properly, probably shouldn't be jungling because most good jungle champions have them. (Edit: I said this because I'm a jungler, and I think of him as a jungler) W = It's a massive ground targeted zone. Put it on the ground when you need to kill things, .. proceed to kill things. E = ground targeted, .. put it in choke points, block enemies from escaping or engaging. R = press R and click on the enemy with the most resistances, ... proceed to kill things.
Every single one of his abilities is easy as hell to play around except for his Pillar and Subjugate. The former takes some skill to use well (because it can easily screw over his own teammates) while the latter is really only useful against tanks and juggernauts. He's basically an early-mid duelist/skirmisher that scales into a secondary support, you don't pick Trundle for his damage. He's very good at setting up plays and trapping opponents, but has always had a difficult time carrying games because he's terrible at securing kills on his own (or dealing reliable damage late game). This generally means he's great when playing with good players that follow up on his Pillars/Subjugate, but mediocre at best when playing with potatoes and randoms.
I've played quite a bit of Trundle and after his latest nerfs I just don't feel he's worth picking unless you really enjoy playing him (or you're a masochist). He has no early-mid game presence anymore. With the way they've nerfed him, he has no choice but to max Pillar first, but with the base damage nerfs he received on Rabid Bite he's forced to sacrifice both dueling and his clearing speed, making him 100% reliant on his team to carry him. It's far easier to just pick a real damage dealer and carry the game yourself. He may still work in the highest of elos, where everyone actually knows how to do their jobs, but I am of the firm opinion he is currently useless anywhere below that point.
umm.. what?
I think he's balanced, if not borderline strong right now. Not the most popular champion but definitely not underwhelming
No he's actually pretty strong. He just can't compare to the S triple + tier that gets banned/picked every game.
one of those had no choice games.