Quinn is again the #1 Top Winrate in the game

Great Muta·Aug 31, 2016·5 votes·1,423 views

Yay for the ranged meta.

Watching a 19-0 Quinn take on both a Tryn and an Iriela at the same time, with 2200hp combos.

48 Comments

EnvironmentalistAug 31, 20166 votes

I don't really get why people always complain about the #1 top winrate champ... You do realize there will ALWAYS be someone at the top of the list. Even if every single champ got nerfed and did 1 damage on all their abilities, there will STILL be someone at the top. Quit complaining about it, and instead either play that champ or learn to counter her. There is and ALWAYS will be a counter for every champion, and even if it's not necessarily another champ that counters her, and certain playstyle definitely will.

DragfinAug 31, 20164 votes

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I don't really get why people always complain about the #1 top winrate champ... You do realize there will ALWAYS be someone at the top of the list. Even if every single champ got nerfed and did 1 damage on all their abilities, there will STILL be someone at the top. Quit complaining about it, and instead either play that champ or learn to counter her. There is and ALWAYS will be a counter for every champion, and even if it's not necessarily another champ that counters her, and certain playstyle definitely will.

Adapting, couldn't agree with you more. Too many players need to learn the definition of this word it's not even funny.

Great MutaAug 31, 20163 votes

I really don't think the current ranged meta or the current damage counts are healthy for the game.

EnvironmentalistAug 31, 20163 votes

Well then I would suggest you try other lanes! ;)

Great MutaAug 31, 20161 votes

Well, all the tank junglers are now useless. Tank supports are now also useless. Kind of speaks to a larger problem.

PermabannedGarenAug 31, 20169 votes

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Well, all the tank junglers are now useless. Tank supports are now also useless.

You're delusional.

Great MutaAug 31, 20161 votes

And you are a typical SJW who has to throw out threats and insults when he doesn't get his way.

PermabannedGarenAug 31, 20162 votes

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And you are a typical SJW who has to throw out threats and insults when he doesn't get his way.

What way is that my tiny friend?

Great MutaAug 31, 20162 votes

Any type of different thought or opinion.

Samflash3Aug 31, 20163 votes

Ignoring the threats/insults, what makes you think that tank supports/junglers are useless? I mean if the Quinn is top, and there's almost always need for an ADC botlane, then that leaves only mid who are mages/assassins. Wouldn't your team have an easier time wrecking the enemy if they're only squishies?

Great MutaAug 31, 20161 votes

I'm having a hard time even getting to the squishes with the ranged meta.

VoidStaresBackAug 31, 20163 votes

Then, bluntly, you're playing wrong, given that you're a low-elo player (like most people) where people don't know how to properly position or kite in 95% of cases.

I play Cho'Gath all the time and even with a champion as ridiculously kiteable as Cho I can still reach the enemy squishies and make them have a bad time, and even if I can't I'm acting as an enormous damage sink to allow my teammates to do their jobs without dying.

Great MutaAug 31, 20161 votes

Cho is your example?

VoidStaresBackAug 31, 20163 votes

As the primary tanky champion I play, yes, Cho is my example, but he's among the most kiteable champions in the game so that should give you an idea of how for champions like Volibear and Shyvana (champions you're expressed you've played) you should have a much easier time getting to squishies since you at least have a speed boost (and Sejuani, your most-played champion this ranked season, has a ranged stun and a gap-closer with built-in CC).

VoidStaresBackAug 31, 20164 votes

The fact that you randomly throw out "SJW" as a way of putting down someone who disagreed with you sounds remarkably sounds about like what you're accusing PG of, y'know.

EnvironmentalistAug 31, 20163 votes

I'm not overly sure where your information is coming from, but it's like Wikipedia in college... it isn't reputable. Rek'Sai is a tank jungler, always used in LCS. Gragas is a tank jungler, always used in LCS. Rammus, Amumu, Shen, etc etc etc all great junglers. Why are tank supports useless? I main support, and constantly play Braum, Leona, Blitzcrank, Thresh. How are they useless?

I'm actually super curious to hear your reasoning. Please enlighten me.

Great MutaAug 31, 20161 votes

Well, let me just call Faker and Q with him for my next game since we now talking pros?

FliggyAug 31, 20161 votes

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Well, all the tank junglers are now useless. Tank supports are now also useless. Kind of speaks to a larger problem.

How exactly

VoidStaresBackAug 31, 20166 votes

Riot can't restrict champions to specific positions, and by playing a ranged top your are making a sacrifice. Yes, ranged tops tend to have easier laning phases since they're able to easily poke their enemy, but they sacrifice a lot of the tankiness and CC that many top laners bring to the game. Just because you don't like playing against them in the laning phase doesn't mean they aren't fair and don't have trade-offs.

Fisherman FízzAug 31, 20166 votes

Quinn is sitting at 1.43% playrate on champion.gg, high winrate with an incredibly small playrate is nothing to be worth looking at. I don't even see anyone playing Quinn besides me.

Great MutaSep 1, 20161 votes

Give it a week. You'll be seeing her. Remember when everyone was playing Iriela and Voli? Doesn't take long.

Fisherman FízzSep 1, 20162 votes

The reason why she has a high winrate right now is that shes a good counterpick against other meta champions on toplane like Darius, Ekko, Riven, Fiora, Gnar. All of those champions have high pickrates right now so the "Quinn mains" or people who can bring out that Quinn pocket pick are using this to their advantage, I don't expect the pickrate of Quinn to go much higher than it is and in fact you should see her winrate go down next patch as some of the champions that she counters are getting nerfed and will see less play.

TenshouSNKSep 1, 20161 votes

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The reason why she has a high winrate right now is that shes a good counterpick against other meta champions on toplane like Darius, Ekko, Riven, Fiora, Gnar. All of those champions have high pickrates right now so the "Quinn mains" or people who can bring out that Quinn pocket pick are using this to their advantage, I don't expect the pickrate of Quinn to go much higher than it is and in fact you should see her winrate go down next patch as some of the champions that she counters are getting nerfed and will see less play.

To kill cancer you must become cancer Yasuo

TenshouSNKSep 1, 20162 votes

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Give it a week. You'll be seeing her. Remember when everyone was playing Iriela and Voli? Doesn't take long.

Pantheon does well against Quinn

just poke her, spear spear spear

Fisherman FízzSep 1, 20161 votes

Not only that but pantheon's passive tilts me when I play Quinn vs him, when my passive targets him I can't do damage.

PermabannedGarenAug 31, 20166 votes

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Yay for the ranged meta.

Watching a 19-0 Quinn take on both a Tryn and an Iriela at the same time, with 2200hp combos.

You don't know how to read statistics.

QuínnAug 31, 20164 votes

Wait a second. You mean that the people who play Quinn, most of whom main her, have a high win rate? Wow, it's not like those people are good at Quinn, you know, they're only QUINN MAINS. You're right, it's disgraceful, how can QUINN MAINS have a high win-rate on QUINN, it makes no sense! /S

Buff Jax pleaseAug 31, 20161 votes

Then you realize people who have 5-15 ranked games on her win 64.91% of their games in ranked. Quinn mains I guess.

Also her playerbase average games played is 86, which is just enough for 15th best. To compare it to the top: The average Rengar player has 200 games on him, the average Riven and Heimerdinger around 170. Explain why they have much lower winrates. Rengar is barely at 50% and Riven and Heimerdinger are just below whereas Quinn sits at 55%.

YSeT9iEzJKAug 31, 20163 votes

you mean the cancer top meta

Great MutaAug 31, 20163 votes

I think this whole meta sucks. If you aren't ranged or don't have CC, you are useless.

KaiokoAug 31, 20163 votes

I mean if she's so op your 11/21/9 game on her sure didn't show that...

Great MutaSep 1, 20161 votes

i feel bad for you that the best thing you have to do with your time is look at my match history. That's sad.

What's it like to have a life that is so boring and depressing that that is the best thing you can do with your time?

oSEXYPLATYPUSoAug 31, 20162 votes

Last i saw on na.op.gg was teemo had #1win rate top with 55.7%

oSEXYPLATYPUSoAug 31, 20161 votes

My bad he is 3rd behind yasou and riven

VoidStaresBackAug 31, 20162 votes

Soooooo...

How does that 11/21/9, having almost any many deaths as any two other members of your team combined, on your supposedly "OP OP" champion taste like?

Great MutaSep 1, 20161 votes

i feel bad for you that the best thing you have to do with your time is look at my match history. That's sad.

What's it like to have a life that is so boring and depressing that that is the best thing you can do with your time?

VoidStaresBackSep 1, 20161 votes

Actually I ran across that while looking up what your primary champions were, since you seemed to have problems with ranged champions so I was looking at them to give some advice. OP.gg gives me a lot of stats at once.

As for the question, I dunno, I'll tell you when my life becomes like that.

[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

AnCaAug 31, 20161 votes

All hail the quinn? Kappa

ActivatingEMPAug 31, 20161 votes

Wait.... Doesn't Quinn counter both of these by not letting them use their point and click abilities? And she's 17-0, meaning that she should have an almost 5100 gold advantage

Swiftstrike4Aug 31, 20161 votes

Everything on Naopgg suggest that Sion is the top win rate for top laners across all elos and Yasuo in Plat or higher.

Quin as a 48% win rate. She is not that strong at all at the moment.

VoidStaresBackAug 31, 20161 votes

I believe the OP is using champion.gg.

Swiftstrike4Aug 31, 20161 votes

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I believe the OP is using champion.gg.

Ah yes it does list her, I wonder why the statistics are so far off across the two sites. It could be maybe that Champion GG tracks accross all servers, while NAOPGG tracks just across one server. Not sure. It does appear champion GG focuses more on daily play than aggregate play over time.

With the statistics so far off across the two sites, with no list of their metrics how reliable it one over the other? I will say 55% is really high and makes me think that champion.gg is less reliable.

VoidStaresBackAug 31, 20161 votes

My assumption, given it doesn't specify, is that it does indeed draw across all servers, but I don't know for sure.

CreeksAug 31, 20161 votes

Low pick rate

Great MutaSep 1, 20161 votes

Give it a week. She popped up in a lot of my normals games tonight.

TenshouSNKSep 1, 20161 votes

1.44% pick rate, this guy is asking for nerf?

Great MutaSep 1, 20161 votes

Give it a week. He was in most of my normals games today.

StephenizgodSep 1, 20161 votes

There was a time Ranged top laners were a legitimate problem in the Top lane, as in there was nothing non-ranged champions could really do ( Jayce Nidalee Lulu please tell me I am not the only one who remembers when these champions dominated Top Lane)... this is not that time, thank god. If you were around for that time, you would not be complaining about something as cheesy as Quinn top.

Try Malphite, not much she can do about him as long as you are not giving her a ton of free autos. Pantheon can do pretty well against her too, gap closer + hard CC + AA blocking shield = a bad time for Quinn. You can try Gangplank too, he out-scales pretty much any top laner. Hell, you can fight fire with fire and go with Gnar, he is a tank and a ranged champion soooo perfect no?