trynda

letsfeedtogether·May 13, 2019·31 votes·13,955 views

hello! so i watched a stream today and i saw something that is really frustrating to play against, . the problem is it dosent matter if you win or lose lane. because if you win you will have to hold him from pushing your lane so its still a 4v4 and you cant help your team when you're fed!. if you lose you need to hold him from pushing but you will lose the 1v1 because his ult has 0 counter play so even if you outplay him he can just ult. or just dive you. so you need 2 people there at least. so it will be 4v3. so playing against is a problem and he can use a change.

53 Comments

QuephaMay 13, 201913 votes

That dilemma of "Hold the lane and let your team fight without you," vs. "fight with your team while the enemy takes towers," isn't a Tryndamere problem, that's just called "Playing top lane."

EVERY top lane player should have split-pushing as a tool in their arsenal and every top lane player spends their whole career learning how to play around that tool and recognizing how to best respond to it.

Is Trynd fed? Then you have to 2v1 (or sometimes 3v1) him. Does that cost your team too much on the rest of the map? Well tough luck because feeding the opponent has consequences.

Do you need to fight with your team so they can win a 5v4? OK then you need to clean up that teamfight quickly and roll down the mid lane taking objectives before Trynd gets too far. Don't have a way to force a fight or clean it up quickly? Well tough luck you should have built a better comp.

You're encountering the most basic problem in League's macro play and pretending it's a unique problem to Tryndamere when it's actually playing the game known as League of Legends.

whacker2000May 14, 20193 votes

Excactly this. Clearly the author of OP has no clue what that is and is guaranteed to be silver elo or below based on his writing. No way that he is higher then that without understanding basic league principles.

boricCentaur1May 13, 201912 votes

Yeah the ult is annoying but I find his crit passive much more annoying. Like it is just so fucking bs to lose a early trade due to luck.

You know just fuck tryn he is boring to play and unfun to fight. I HOPE HE GETS A AATROX LEVEL REWORK and all he mains are unhappy since that's what they deserve.

BEK MakadurMay 13, 20192 votes

You mean a rework that makes him actually worse to play against? Hmm nice

ReySolomonMay 13, 20197 votes

Yeah, he's been like this since I started playing league (S7) the only champion im able to handle him with is Darius

he's one of the only champions who can 1v1 him in lane from what I've seen.

AlienPrimateMay 13, 20197 votes

Malphite is a great choice. E max + frozen heart rush is a 57.5% attack speed slow.

RagnaveilMay 13, 20191 votes

Right, but how much would that really matter? You'd be basically picking him to counter Trynd, who come late game will ruin your day. That also means that if the enemy team picks AP, they ignore your armor.

BEK MakadurMay 13, 20194 votes

Malphite with Tp can easily deal with tryn and has a great hard engage to win 5v4 with your team and ende the game.

Bløød ZerøMay 14, 20191 votes

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Yeah, he's been like this since I started playing league (S7) the only champion im able to handle him with is

he's one of the only champions who can 1v1 him in lane from what I've seen.

Vlad is a good counter to trynda vlad will always be able to sustain, bully and wait out trynda ult especially since pool and bonuses combined is 4.5 seconds of invunerability. Not to mention Vlad can just e and q and keep running while tryn tries to chase and if you time Vlad ult it will pop after trynda ult stops to kill even if he escapes your immediate range. Vlad ult lasts 4 seconds you just have to wait 1 or more seconds into trynda ult to get it to pop after and finish him. The build it simple too its zhonyas rush into your normal full ap. Not to mention the armor from that item is blessed for laning.

ReySolomonMay 15, 20191 votes

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Vlad is a good counter to trynda vlad will always be able to sustain, bully and wait out trynda ult especially since pool and bonuses combined is 4.5 seconds of invunerability. Not to mention Vlad can just e and q and keep running while tryn tries to chase and if you time Vlad ult it will pop after trynda ult stops to kill even if he escapes your immediate range. Vlad ult lasts 4 seconds you just have to wait 1 or more seconds into trynda ult to get it to pop after and finish him. The build it simple too its zhonyas rush into your normal full ap. Not to mention the armor from that item is blessed for laning.

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As a Vladimir main I can tell you one thing..

Tryndamere counters Vladimir lol. try playing vlad into a tryndamere xD.

Bløød ZerøMay 16, 20191 votes

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As a Vladimir main I can tell you one thing..

Tryndamere counters Vladimir lol. try playing vlad into a tryndamere xD.

Ok lol I have played both ends of the matchup and always pick vlad into tryn if I see one. Tryn will win levels 1 to 3 but after wards Vlad sustain and poke pushes him out of lane. Tryndamere does triumph vlad in objective taking, gold income and roaming. Vlad outscales, has a far better team fight presence and bullies in lane if played to EACH of their strengths equally.

I may be lower elo than you by a couple ranks in gold and played more games but I know for a fact a good Vlad will at the very least be able to hold lane against any tryndamere. Legitimately all Vlad has to do to win lane is bully turn if he goes to cs and maintain his range of they trade Vlad can sustain most damage from a trade and run away safely from tryn with phase rush due to tryn having one mobility spell and no hard cc.

If you search statistics tryn wins more games albeit when laning against Vlad due to sheer objective taking and gold income on the average game. Vlad although wins when he does because he outscales and wins 4v5 teamfights with ease. If you can control your lane early, keep up with gold income and help your team secure objectives so they can help deny tryndamere his objectives then you will be able to control how useful a tryndamere is.

Also tabis plus a zhonyas rush will always shut tryndamere down when dueling, trading or even simply laning for the first 20 minutes as long as you don't feed him and let him outfarm you or roam.

I use to play mundo and tryndamere lots in normals before I picked up Vlad and let me tell you Vlad is a b**** to lane against as tryndamere unless you set up and get ganks 2-3 times early and have them be successful kills or forced backs from the Vlad.

ReySolomonMay 17, 20191 votes

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Ok lol I have played both ends of the matchup and always pick vlad into tryn if I see one. Tryn will win levels 1 to 3 but after wards Vlad sustain and poke pushes him out of lane. Tryndamere does triumph vlad in objective taking, gold income and roaming. Vlad outscales, has a far better team fight presence and bullies in lane if played to EACH of their strengths equally.

I may be lower elo than you by a couple ranks in gold and played more games but I know for a fact a good Vlad will at the very least be able to hold lane against any tryndamere. Legitimately all Vlad has to do to win lane is bully turn if he goes to cs and maintain his range of they trade Vlad can sustain most damage from a trade and run away safely from tryn with phase rush due to tryn having one mobility spell and no hard cc.

If you search statistics tryn wins more games albeit when laning against Vlad due to sheer objective taking and gold income on the average game. Vlad although wins when he does because he outscales and wins 4v5 teamfights with ease. If you can control your lane early, keep up with gold income and help your team secure objectives so they can help deny tryndamere his objectives then you will be able to control how useful a tryndamere is.

Also tabis plus a zhonyas rush will always shut tryndamere down when dueling, trading or even simply laning for the first 20 minutes as long as you don't feed him and let him outfarm you or roam.

I use to play mundo and tryndamere lots in normals before I picked up Vlad and let me tell you Vlad is a b**** to lane against as tryndamere unless you set up and get ganks 2-3 times early and have them be successful kills or forced backs from the Vlad.

I played against Diamonds onetrick/main tryndameres the last two seasons ive been playing (ive been high plat for the last 2 seasons) I can tell you it really depends on the ELO.

I used to pick Vladimir into illaoi in silver and it all worked out just fine xD until I reached high plat, can't fool around there anymore unless you want to join the rest of the trolls.

Savage Duck 21May 15, 20191 votes

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Yeah, he's been like this since I started playing league (S7) the only champion im able to handle him with is

he's one of the only champions who can 1v1 him in lane from what I've seen.

Dont forget about Sylas

5StackUltOneShotMay 13, 20196 votes

How come when I make a post complaining about Tryndamere all I get is downvotes. Wtf

TSM ReptilianMay 13, 20195 votes

Take malphite against him, and I guarantee you,he will feel the same.

sausagepieIIMay 13, 20194 votes

All you need to do against tryndamere is play a high-mobility champion like Irelia , Yasuo or even Renekton , and then just bait out ultimate and kite away from him while it's up, only to destroy him after it's over.

letsfeedtogetherMay 13, 201930 votes

Trynda is actually one of irelias hardest matchups

Lazy GrandpaMay 13, 20192 votes

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Trynda is actually one of irelias hardest matchups

eh irelia was easier to kill with the previous conqueror imo. these days i often feel like i can't fight her lvl 3,4 and 5 due to her W, can swing the fight around without true damage, can nullify lethal tempo too. not too bad if you dodge all the E's though

Heko The ManMay 14, 20192 votes

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Trynda is actually one of irelias hardest matchups

OLD irelia's matchups. new irelia is not the same as old irelia, it's like a completely new champion.

letsfeedtogetherMay 14, 20191 votes

NEW irelia

Horse GrenadesMay 13, 201910 votes

Possibly the worst advice i've seen.

RagnaveilMay 13, 20195 votes

Fr. Its like saying "Just kill Darius before he full stacks you when he engages." Like, he's gonna full stack you if you try to kill him because you open yourself to get hit lol.

sausagepieIIMay 16, 20191 votes

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Possibly the worst advice i've seen.

I'm fine with people disagreeing with me, but you gave no reason as to why my advice is bad.

Why am I wrong?

ImbetterthanmoeMay 13, 20194 votes

Split push champs should just be removed from the game. Its not a problem in higher elos but in lower elos you need more than one person to know what they are doing to avoid being backdoored all game

SaezioMay 13, 20193 votes

Sounds like healthy champions that expose bad macro players that should be lower in the ladder.

BTW the splitpusher's team also need to know what they are doing or the splitpusher will be left spliting vs 5 people that have won the 4v5 and are pushing (obviously) faster.

ImbetterthanmoeMay 13, 20192 votes

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Sounds like healthy champions that expose bad macro players that should be lower in the ladder.

BTW the splitpusher's team also need to know what they are doing or the splitpusher will be left spliting vs 5 people that have won the 4v5 and are pushing (obviously) faster.

Like i said its not a problem for experienced players but its just such a cancer strategy, always an inconvenience.

BEK MakadurMay 13, 20195 votes

You just can´t remove Splitpush from the game... There is always 1 Champ in the game good at it. Even tho tryn is a trash tier Champ atm people still complain cause they don´t want to admit that they don´t know how to play against it.

GlaricionMay 13, 20193 votes

It's simple, you take TP on someone with decent waveclear and watch the minimap for how the different lanes are doing, and identify lanes that are vulnerable to being put into turret within the next 30 (+ in some situation) seconds.

The issue is paired with Trynd's design that, Riot Tryndamere himself admitted, was toxic and outdated even upon release.

It is a coinflip whether or not even a good trade will be in his opponent's favour. If he wins, he afks to your inhib turret whilst being able to safely dive w/ his high-duration invulnerability if you only send 1 person up. If he loses, he still afks a lane whilst being able to safely run away w/ his high-duration invulnerability.

Isn't like other afk pushing playstlyles like Nasus where at least he can't escape, or Yi where he's vulnerable if he activates highlander to shred the turret.

It is simple enough to deal with, just boring as it is annoying.

Fckjaxsuo43v3rMay 27, 20191 votes

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Split push champs should just be removed from the game. Its not a problem in higher elos but in lower elos you need more than one person to know what they are doing to avoid being backdoored all game

Nasus, Garen, Tryn, Jax, Yi, Yasuo, Yorick have no place in this game. It's a teamplay game, where champions can singlehandedly win the game by puttin the ennemy team in 4v4 or 3v4 to slow down the dumb split pushers like these who can push 3 towers if you let them or dive in a fight and turn a 4v4 or 3v4 into a 1v5 because they simply instant kill someone when they flank then they're out of control and they or their team will stomp the ennemy team like it's nothing and dive 3 turrets alltogether before finishing the game. The split pusher is so much of an advantage that he allows his team to take free objectives each time he requires 2+ champs to stop him from destroying the ennemy base with sheer push.

VanTurinoMay 13, 20194 votes

Trynd is for people who would feed under normal circumstances IMO

SõnaMay 13, 20193 votes

champion like him are straightly overpowered due to his R. Because there's simply no item/no champions to counter him aside from 5 seconds CC from your whole team. It's so unhealthy to see a fighter can tank damages and deal damages for 5 seconds while his teammate just burst you at the same time.

PadoµchMay 14, 20193 votes

Tryndamere is only good when splitpushing, he cannot do anything else really...

0 counter play? Never heard of Taric? Jax is a good counter, Malphite can get him down, poke heavy champs just gut him. He will become strong, its up to you to prolong that time so your team can get ahead enough, so he wont pose a threat to them.

Karn BishopMay 13, 20192 votes

While i understand being forced to hold a lane is frusterating its also the only method by which tryndamere is a viable champion, if he did not do this his winrate wouldn't be 47% it would be 30% or lower. A tryndamere who joins a team fight is a determent to that team fight in 90% of situations because its so easy to shut a tryndamere down by throwing a single slow in his general direction and one vs one he has the chance to outplay that slow but in a teamfight? he gets nuked from orbit the moment that instance of CC happens to him and he can do nothing so why bother showing up at a fight which has a 90% chance of ending in your death when you can split push top and keep one person out of the fight or take a tower if they give up?

Destello AzulMay 14, 20192 votes

Some hard counters. Teemo TahmKench Nasus Cassiopeia .

Dingding123May 13, 20191 votes

People play Tryndamere wrong.

They play him like they're trying to stomp Bronze/Iron elo. They never consider counterplay or objectives beyond splitting or teamfights or anything; they just cheese cheese cheese in lane with a Conqueror build and hope for the best. It's the equivalent of picking all cheese runes on any top laner without a gameplan past the 10 minute mark other than hoping to annoy the other team to death.

The problem with PLAYING Conqueror Tryndamere (even when fed early) is that his opponent has a ticket out of top lane: anyone remotely useful coming and helping him nuke Tryndamere and then kite/cc him to death every time he's pushing - but Tryndamere at that point has no escape. Even if he's mega-fed using said cheese build, after doing nothing but pushing top lane in for 20+ minutes the counter to him is obvious and very accessible: focus him for just a little while, cc him/kite him, then finish him off with Ignite or ranged attacks. He's so easy for 2+ non-feeding champions to deal with and play around unless he builds for lategame and shows up to teamfights instead of cheesing early and doing nothing but push.

Scaling runes that are FANTASTIC on Tryndamere, particularly outside of lane:

Lethal Tempo - Bonkers mid/lategame Hail of Blades - Good all game, even better at cheesing than Conqueror. Why does no one run this? Legend:Tenacity/Unflinching - ...why do people value a bit more AS over free tenacity on THE premiere "just CC him" champion!? Revitalize + Barrier/Triumph/PD - Live much longer after ulting, potentially be able to still fight while ult is on cd Approach Velocity - Catch someone with W or a friendly tank gets CC'ed initiating and it's a free mini-Ghost with no cooldown! Abuse the whopping 1000 range.

Items that make him pop off when finished in laning phase:

IE - Duh ER - Extremely valuable on Tryn; have ult up every fight and E more than once no matter what Boots of Swiftness - Same as Unflinching/Legend:Tenacity Titanic - Sounds silly, right? But wow this item can put in work on Tryndamere, alongside a couple health items like Sterak's. It also makes him seriously beefy in teamfights - particularly coupled with maxed W.

Clearly it's not Riot's fault that Tryndamere is boring to play against; it's just ours. After Riot revealing the next 5 champions lined up for reworks over YEARS to come and Tryn being a tier 5 top laner USING the same old hashed bad cheese strats, despite all these powerful runes and items at his disposal, it's apparent that very few macro "tryhard" Tryn players that actually care about winning exist. Only wishy-washy FotM players are using him for the one brainless strategy to gain (what they hope is) free Elo against bad top laners.

BEK MakadurMay 13, 20192 votes

It seems that you are no Tryndamere player.

Dingding123May 13, 20191 votes

Clearly; I haven't been playing Tryndamere since before season 1. Oh wait-

BEK MakadurMay 14, 20191 votes

Conqueror as a tryn cheese pick? That´s just bs. Hail of Blades falls off heavily. IE is not anywhere near the powerlevel it used to have seasons ago.

And he is played how he is played cause it´s the most efficient way. Thats why fogged plays him like that.

NoblewindMay 13, 20191 votes

This is why my stay at top is always relatively short as I rotate different roles throughout the season.

Love the champs available in the role but dealing with pure split push champs is probably the most annoying chore that exists in all of League IMO. If you fall behind you are the definition of useless and become totally reliant on help from your team, and if you win you are stuck babysitting your lane anyway as your opponent has little to no interest in ever joining their team.

All in all not an issue of fairness with the strat just an issue of enjoyment.

AlzonMay 13, 20191 votes

trynda naut feed over here

Power CosmicMay 13, 20191 votes

The problem is not Tryndamere, it is the game's pacing. A champ like Tryndamere is designed to be weak until he is strong. With there being no real early/mid game and everyone starting strong bc of runes this is sort of thrown out the window and Tryndamere is ready to roll relatively quickly. His R and E should basically be defensive until (if) he gets 3 finished items. Foundational champs like him is what the game, at its best, is designed around in terms of structure. At some point he should be the pain in the butt, but it should be later and not a foregone conclusion.

jama655May 13, 20191 votes

i believe trynd is one of those champs you have to build a whole team around like MasterYi you need armor stacking and loads of CC... like on everychamp

General Esdeath May 14, 20191 votes

Trynd's ult needs counterplay via true damage/towers.

martinukasLTMay 14, 20191 votes

How I counter trynd: -Win lane = deal so much dmg that his ult is useless (cc helps too) -Send someone else to deal with trynd splitpush preferably the weakest person just to clear the lane or if get dove die 1 for 1

5or6storesMay 14, 20191 votes

Why rework him when they can buff his E cooldown, making him even more slippery in his cancerous splitpushing? Also, dealing with splitpushing IS part of toplane, but dealing with Tryndamere isn't. If somebody like Fiora fucks up or plays stupid, she doesn't have a "Get out of jail free" card. If she gets collapsed on by 3 people, she's dead. Tryndamere just activates his ult (which can be activated in hard CC of course, don't want trynda players using their brains or forethought) and spams E to get away.

There's a lot of other factors in why he's so cancerous, like most other splitpushers take SOME element of mechanical/macro skill to play, or won't be able to stand even with you even when they're way behind.

BEK MakadurMay 14, 20191 votes

The biggest part about playing tryn is macro play dude.

He is pretty much dogshit atm. The only reason you can dump people on top is because he isn´t played that much and no one wants to play top.

EATARIMay 14, 20191 votes

Same reason I don’t like playing against Kayle or Nasus. I’m just obligated to make sure that they aren’t farming alone, lest they reach level 11/300 stacks.

BarbarianBoiMay 15, 20191 votes

Ignorant, as a Plat 1 hard stuck Tryndamere main, playing a champion who rocks a fat tier 5 rating and 48% win rate on OP.GG you are basically asking for Trynd to be deleted because your top laner's can't play around him.

If Tryndamere gets ahead and kills your top laner under turret with the """"no outplay ultimate"""" as you call it, you realize that's quite normal for any top laner? When you die and feed a top laner you lose mad levels, exp, and gold. Champions like Riven , Renekton , Irelia , Darius , Pantheon , and even tanks like Malphite do the same exact thing with very little outplay possible. If you die and lose you get punished, you need to get a jungle gank or pray they make a mistake, this is simply the nature of top lane.

If Trynd loses you are forced to address him, meaning even if you get fed you can't do anything? Literal fake news. You need to make shot calls, you need to push the wave and control minion placement to set up fights, gank, get picks, make a good engage comp or play around your engage to start a fight and push for the win or huge advantages. You in no way ** have** to address a feeding Tryndamere and most top laners can easily solo kill him when he falls behind or force him to back, currently Tryndamere has the most counters he's ever had in any season before, hence why riot buffed him and stated "he's struggling* due to high mobility meta".

Not to include as a earlier comment stated this is simply the nature of league of legends, you need to make appropriate choices and shot calls in every game regarding split pushing, going for picks, ARAM'n mid lane and trying to end, and pressuring multiple lanes etc. If your team fails to ARAM mid and get the 4k and push for more advantages and Trynd ends up getting turrets, your teams fault period. [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

Shrek LuigiMay 15, 20191 votes

I disagree with the 0-counterplay statement lol......but he's an old ass champion who exists largely as a counterpick in an era where heinous counterpicks of his variety have been largely phased-out and, when the lane matchup is in his favour or when your team comp is less-than-desirable, he is too much to deal with.

I don't mind playing against tryn, but agree 100% that he needs a rework, and I am fearful for that day because his kit will probably be loaded with some pretty spooky stuff :'(