"Feels awful to play as" Champs

Maple Crusader·Feb 20, 2016·69 votes·17,291 views

Sion: He felt fun after his rework, but after he was nerfed repeatedly, Sion feels insanely clunky because he counterplays himself. It's an irritating struggle to play him because how unreliable and telegraphed his kit is.

Cass: I miss her pre-rework kit.

Aatrox: He's an example of a contradiction. It's not like I hate him, I love Aatrox, but I feel useless because my kit doesn't flow.

Darius: Decimate is so god damn annoying to use. It's puny range and cast-time is simply frustrating

288 Comments

JabberwöckyFeb 20, 201671 votes

Aatrox

YumaS2AstralFeb 20, 201632 votes

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For me it is Swain

No waveclear at all, weak auto-attacks, bad auto animation, struggles to farm. He could try to poke the enemy but this does not work against champions with higher range than him, all which can just shove Swain into its tower.

SkyBlade79Feb 21, 20163 votes

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YumaS2AstralFeb 21, 201622 votes

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No waveclear! You do realize that you can just switch on the ult and clear a wave at a small cost of mana, right?

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okay

hudzellFeb 20, 20163 votes

Hell no. I think he's one of the funnest champs in the game, its very satisfying to insta burst someone or ult 5 people and have your team slaughter the enemy while you're reviving

JabberwöckyFeb 21, 201610 votes

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Hell no. I think he's one of the funnest champs in the game, its very satisfying to insta burst someone or ult 5 people and have your team slaughter the enemy while you're reviving

Meh, he has a decent kit design, just his actual stats, and the items to go with, are just purely

Meh.

Theres plenty of champs that does what he can do, but better. I'd rather have a JarvanIV Jax Garen Ekko Illaoi Renekton Tryndamere MonkeyKing Zac on my team.

junglerboy16Feb 20, 201630 votes

Aatrox I feel useless after 10 minutes in, even if I snowball hard because he's so bad. Cassiopeia Yeuch, passive feels gross. Galio I'm super strong but too boring and feel like I can only do cool stuff when I've got flash. Nunu Mainly because I know everyone in the game hates my guts when I play him. Sivir I feel like I deal no damage, even when I do a lot. Urgot Yeah, it takes a special player to enjoy Urgot. Warwick BOOOOOOORIIIING

TekkenPlayerFeb 20, 201622 votes

Azir just feels awful with the horde of Zed Leblanc Corki

Singed the dps isn't just the same, either you get blown up or go tanky and do no damage whatsoeve

Vayne She is now the prebuff kogmaw of botlane

Jhin GL facing Nautilus Lissandra Malphite Rengar Fiora

Akali So boring to play with, im just making q r e auto, r, auto..

Jayce This champion needs SERIOUS BUFFS. Their are tons of better top laners that can bully Jayce incredibly hard, don't mention that he goes oom after one rotation

Karma Since she is basically stuck to support, she isn't very much fun at all unless your bullying in lane..

Draven GL with Malphite Lux MissFortune Udyr Zed Corki DrMundo

GirardFeb 20, 20164 votes

Jayce is the same as he's always been. He hasn't been touched in a while now and he's still insanely viable in every game. And given that he STILL counters Darius to no avail, I'd say Jayce is fine.

(jayce main)

TekkenPlayerFeb 20, 20166 votes

how do you even deal with the amount of Graves Fiora Zed Lulu ?

MelledoneusFeb 21, 20166 votes

You pray.

C9 Scott Free Feb 20, 201613 votes

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just feels awful with the horde of

the dps isn't just the same, either you get blown up or go tanky and do no damage whatsoeve

She is now the prebuff kogmaw of botlane

GL facing

So boring to play with, im just making q r e auto, r, auto..

This champion needs SERIOUS BUFFS. Their are tons of better top laners that can bully Jayce incredibly hard, don't mention that he goes oom after one rotation

Since she is basically stuck to support, she isn't very much fun at all unless your bullying in lane..

GL with

Sorry but no not Vayne. Just do one of those cancer builds like Kalita has and you will be fine. Played against a Vayne that went Bortk Rapid fire cannon Scimitar Steriks and Frozen mallet. Can't be caught killed or CC'd to death because the steriks saves her from the burst punishment.

Comrade NapoleonFeb 21, 20167 votes

Agreed, after being hard carried 2 times by a vayne in the last couple of days, i believe she is in a good spot and a good vayne player can win games by themselves

Supreme Senpai69Feb 20, 201620 votes

Veigar

Used to be good, now with every game having an AD assasin in mid, you can't ever pick before your lane opponent does.

Malicious MetalFeb 20, 201620 votes

Mordekaiser There are times where I question why I keep playing him. You have to be on point, play your lane very carefully and have to know exactly where your limits are or else you're going to get your teeth kicked in.

RalanrFeb 20, 201613 votes

If anything, he keeps you sharp.

UltîmaFeb 21, 201614 votes

Udyr I have 4 different types of AA buffs and can run really fast.

He's strong right now, but his kit is atrociously boring. He's a ball of stats. Period.

DarkomantisFeb 21, 201610 votes

Not to mention you have to pay money to buy his default skin... Wait a minute.

shyvFeb 20, 201610 votes

Illaoi

Only Play DariusFeb 20, 20169 votes

Whenever I play Illaoi it feels like I'm just praying I get a bad opponent who doesn't know how Illaoi works and then waiting for them to fuck up.

PePsiLemoNNFeb 20, 20169 votes

Darius isn't frustrating to play as once you get used to it

JaghataiFeb 21, 20169 votes

Aatrox - What am I supposed to be doing? My dive is not actually a jump? Why the slow wind up time if I can just get blasted out of the air? I need to be in the middle of everyone, but am severely punished for building tanky?! Mordekaiser - No CC but needs to hit a 3 hit combo to do damage, needs to be attached at the hip to something for W to work, E does hardly any damage ... shield drains insanely fast ... Ult is cool, but not very satisfying because I feel like I need a ghost to be a real champion ... by myself I'm just a liability to the team. (since he has a 3-hit combo now ... can we get Gypsylord to work on him?! Please? I love Gnar Ekko ) Nunu - Confusing as heck mechanics. Q only works on monsters and minions, snowball is really short range but I have nothing else to do when I'm in close range ... wtf ult? Skarner - Kit is a mess and reliant on capture point mini-game ... um ... yeah ... Poppy - Why am I wielding a giant hammer, but never actually hitting anyone with it? Why the delayed reaction damage on the Q? E&Q don't synergize well at all. Ult is confusing at times and sometimes feels like "Helping" rather than actually helping.

Top River KingFeb 21, 20166 votes

Poppy's Q and ult both hit them with her hammer. E and Q do synergize well, as an E into the wall guarantees you hit both parts of your Q if you use it immediately after. And her ult is just one you need to get a feel for. More often than not, you're either going to insta-cast for chain CC and/or the damage, or give it a quick charge to knock away a sudden and immediate threat. If you're trying to use it for anything else, there's always the chance that you'll do something like knock away a low HP enemy that your team was about to kill. But as long as you don't try to use a charged ult as a finisher, you should be fine.

JaghataiFeb 21, 20161 votes

No both Poppy's Q and Ult hit the ground with her hammer. The only time I ever hit someone with the hammer is when I auto attack.

Thank you for the Ult Advice though.

Top River KingFeb 21, 20161 votes

And if the enemy is right there, they're where the hammer hits too. You'd think hurting them that much by hitting the ground with her hammer, and not even having to actually hit them with it, would be more impressive and awesome.

JaghataiFeb 21, 20164 votes

Not for me - I have giant hammer, I want to hit people with it! I want to be impactful and feel like I'm hurting them. Kind of like 's kit. It's so solid and feels like I'm pounding away at someone. Every move is about me punching or slamming them with her giant fists!

There's an overall lack of blunt weapons in LOL already and almost all of them are not satisfying.

Jayce hammer side is over-nerfed Mordekaiser ... well see original post about Mord Ekko - feels like I'm hitting someone with a wiffle bat ... still like the character though Trundle - only auto attacks Taric - only auto attacks, also .. support Jax - doesn't really count, also his move lack the impact of hitting someone with a hammer/mace Sion - Hex Tech skin has a hammer, but once again, auto's only (fun champ though)

Illaoi is pretty satisfying and I can count her ball of doom as as blunt weapon

Only Play DariusFeb 21, 20165 votes

Spot-on with Skarner. He was already a boring unsatisfying ball of stats, now he's just a boring unsatisfying ball of stats with a dumb king-of-the-hill minigame (although i'm grateful for the numerous QOL fixes he got)

Athenes LuluFeb 20, 20168 votes

Lulu top/mid.

Unless you are a scripted robot, then playing in any other way would make your job as an actual midlaner kinda useless. It's just the stale playstyle that makes it really awful to play.

#Unpopularopinions :^)

RiotRiot SotereFeb 21, 201618 votes

I really hated farming with autos and her passive when I started playing her as a solo. Finally got down a pattern that I like. And I enjoy being aggressive and having multiple options with my spells. What do you find most stale about her?

Shroom JunkieFeb 20, 20166 votes

Darius's old Q was much better. It didn't chunk you for 1/5 of your damn health, it was easier to land, and it didn't heal for an insane amount when it did hit.

Only Play DariusFeb 20, 201635 votes

Darius old Q was horrible. Oppressive as hell in lane and gave him ridiculous unavoidable burst

Dunkrius2gFeb 21, 20162 votes

Atleast when he manages to hit from the shaft, it dealt a good amount of damage. With this Darius, if you mess up, you automatically lose the trade or even worse, lose the team fight.

Only Play DariusFeb 21, 20169 votes

At first I hated the reworked Q, the delay felt clunky and the heal was (and still is) out of place. But I learned to like it, correct use is a more visible expression of skill than before (as it used to be "press Q for +1 blood stack") and if you learn to consistently hit the sweet spot in trades, ganks, and teamfights, you benefit tremendously. Most importantly, it increased counterplay, which is what allowed him to get away with his incredibly strong new passive, and Dunking is what's really fun about Darius, not so much the obnoxious lane bully part (we already have Renekton for that)

La BarbotteFeb 20, 20166 votes

Galio

RiotRiot SotereFeb 21, 201617 votes

If people know they can just aggro on me in lane I get sad.

Penta PenguinFeb 21, 20169 votes

Galio is "play like a bitch"-mode, but scales into a monster and is ungankable past 6. I run Stormraider's Surge on him because Q easily procs it and can help me position for an ulti or kite away while I wait for another Q.

SaiannaFeb 21, 20163 votes

Hey Rioter Sotere, I'd like to ask you a question:

Will someone from Riot look at ARAM and FIX issue of players totally abusing champion pool?

Pretty please?

(And please, don't ignore me.. It's not cool)

RiotRiot SotereFeb 21, 20166 votes

I'm not ignoring you, but I also can't sign other people up for work. I commiserate with your ARAM only account woes.

Captain AishiFeb 21, 20162 votes

galio is one of the champions i fear the most in toplane as a renekton main, because I can't actually deal damage to the guy if he knows what he's doing ; ;

RiotRiot SotereFeb 21, 20164 votes

What am I doing wrong? I'd hate that matchup.

Tobias BracknerFeb 21, 20162 votes

I'm not sure. Galio might be able to max his shield to negate gator aggression, but even then Renekton should be able to run him out of mana. On paper it looks like Renek would still come out on top, maybe just not with a complete 3-kills-before-10-minutes stomp.

Emperor TimeFeb 21, 20166 votes

Warwick I want him to be a good jungler, but he's just really boring to play as and isn't at all good right now. I hope when he gets an update that he will be somewhat fun to play.

BluePolarizerFeb 21, 20166 votes

Hecarim . Because your numbers are just too low to be useful.

shadowsaotomeFeb 21, 20166 votes

Jayce

I have to build item 3004 or I'm useless, and I have to build pretty much glass cannon in order to deal enough damage. Hammer abilities only feel great as part of a combo, and the W passive doesn't come close to being good enough.

Fat Bastard GODFeb 20, 20165 votes

Ryze

The nerfs hit him pretty hard. Now that he can barely do anything, it sucks. Everyone hates Ryze but god damn do I love playing him. I still play him, despite the giant nerfs.

MordepoolFeb 21, 20165 votes

Mordekaiser.

MogarlFeb 21, 20165 votes

Viktor I used to play him a lot and for a while after the rework I had fun and started messing with some different ways to play him. Like maxing Q first when against someone trade heavy to negate their damage, but lose out on some wave clear until level 11-12. After the nerfs he seems like he can really only max E and clear waves. So he's really back to where he was before the rework, but with a bit more damage and less Damage over time.

R.I.P item 3151 item 3020 item 3135 item 3152 item 3116 / item 3065 pre-rework death augment build

Hayaishi2Feb 20, 20164 votes

Varus : Can't play from behind, feels like you do 0 damage compared to everyone else unless fed, useless passive, can't even use your abilities consistently because he is incredibly mana hungry unless you use tear.

WadeWilson1337Feb 20, 20167 votes

i like varus, poke champions in general just dont do good in solo que because hard engage is so easy its hard to fuck up while poke comps are hard to coordinate

Bears Dont CareFeb 21, 20163 votes

Evelynn No identity, awful mobility, awful initiation, community forever abhores her. Warwick Worst champion IMO. Design horribly outdated, and Riot absolutely refuses to do anything.