Lucian and Draven post Yommuus changes seem a little weak

Toastersaot·Dec 1, 2016·1 votes·661 views

https://www.champion.gg/champion/Lucian/ADC

Lucian currently has a worse Winrate than Kalista.

Draven has also dropped the most in terms of Winrate for the ADC role.

i know this boards hates ADCs, but can you please try to remember that these were the guys keeping 's early game in check, snowballing and defeating her early.

Will they ever get compensation for the lost Yommuus attack speed?

8 Comments

AstôlfoDec 1, 20161 votes

They weren't ever supposed to be able to abuse Youmuu's in the first place.

GULAG 4 UDec 1, 20162 votes

But now that they don't have those items can't riot revert some nerfs?

AstôlfoDec 1, 20161 votes

Probably.

ForgivenSoulDec 1, 20161 votes

most people don't understand that Vayne seemed to become OP out of nowhere because of this. After the attack speed loss on Ghostblade and the Fervor change you couldn't as easily bully her in lane as Cain, Jinx or Lucian anymore. But everyone seems to forget about Twitch. Everyone seems to be so focused on Vayne. Twitch is Vayne's strongest counter atm. Meanwhile Twitch's top 3 counters atm are Corki, Cait and MF where Twitch still has a 51.7%+ winrate in those match-ups

ToastersaotDec 1, 20161 votes

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most people don't understand that Vayne seemed to become OP out of nowhere because of this. After the attack speed loss on Ghostblade and the Fervor change you couldn't as easily bully her in lane as Cain, Jinx or Lucian anymore. But everyone seems to forget about Twitch. Everyone seems to be so focused on Vayne. Twitch is Vayne's strongest counter atm. Meanwhile Twitch's top 3 counters atm are Corki, Cait and MF where Twitch still has a 51.7%+ winrate in those match-ups

I decided not to put twitch in the OP because the boards has a bias towards a Vayne, but not as much towards Twitch.

ForgivenSoulDec 1, 20161 votes

it's not that hes OP. its just he was one of the few ADC's that actually got buffed by Fervor changes. its just annoying to get hit by Contaminate for 300+ damage at level 4 or 5, then get rolled for the rest of laning phase because stealth up, throw W, Ult, auto 4 to 5 times, then E and your gone

SlashStrikerDec 1, 20161 votes

I personally think Ghostblade always been week and now even weaker

Its active is really weak and i wonder why people even bother building that

Z StatisticDec 2, 20161 votes

For the lethality.

I think people have overlooked two things:

Talon and Rengar had their counterplay increased while simultaneously increasing the amount of power that they have
Ghostblade was nerfed but a lot of their power was put into the kit itself. Thus, Ghostblade with new Talon is actually more effective than Ghostblade with old Talon

The base damage : BAD ratio ratio has gone up in favor of base damage, meaning that even though ghostblade has less effective stats than say BT or Hydra, its Lethality is now more effective on Talon even when compensating for the efficacy nerf per lvl.

Riot has successfully done a two pronged system change where Lethality and lethality items are now only useful for Assassins while also making Lethality a staple on them. What the implications going forward are, I have no idea.