What do you think about Wukong this patch?

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This makes him much more of an assassin though x)

Promoting trickery and confusion is that kinda thing.

Yeah that's true, I guess I really want to preserve his trickstery-ness.

In effect that wouldnt really be much different from how it is being used now, people use the knockup, deal some damage and use the movespeed to run away to prepare the next W-E/Q.

Yeah the idea is that it would add back to his power budget to make room for other changes.

Inability to react stems much more from his W rather than E or Q, its hard to really do anything about an invisible opponent.

The W is supposed to work the way it works though, it's tricky. If people are using wards effectively then they will know he's in a particular direction and they can play carefully around the fact that he can sneak up.

Alternatively, maybe the W could be changed so that it only works most effectively when he has been in combat recently or when he is within a certain range of enemies.

The issue is more closely tied to his divided identity i think but i do agree that he could have benefited from an update.....however like Akali i think he needs a full on VGU at this point more than a mini update in shyv style.

I agree with this.

He could very well go either way i think, ditch the W, make him more durable, his E&Q skillshots and he could be a true fighter.

....Actually come to think off it Jax's E spin makes much more sense with a staff if talking fantasy battles, wukong could easily have something similar if he were to be a fighter, maybe reduce the damage but add a durability buff to his ulti similar to jax's E?

Then wukongs E could either raise his attackspeed, be a CC if it hits or another effect, it would have a longer CD but also a longer range and perhaps a delay or obvious sign like irelia E or Vi Q.

In making it a bit more obvious and slower you could instead make it very rewarding to land it.

Q......should probably be something like Riven´s Q with a touch of Aatrox's.

My idea there is that while he wouldnt be fully reliant on perfectly landing it on some special zone he´d still be rewarded for it and he´d weave in autos in between.

Or go the assassin way and make his ulti single or maybe small area targeted and ditch the attackspeed on E while keeping him as squishy as he is......

Actually his E if kept should probably be made a skillshot in either case but as an assassin it would be a different effect....perhaps some manner of damage AMP, armor reduction or a CC of some kind, maybe let him reactivate it twice if it lands for some damage but a guaranteed gapcloser to prevent escapes similar to new Akali´s.

The tricky part would be his W and Q specifics, for most assassins have some manner of ranged ability or waveclear in their kits.

Perhaps like this, he´ll gone invisible and his clone will throw out the staff, dealing damage to all targets in a area/line, while it is out he is disarmed.

Then it either "boomerangs" back to him,giving people a chance to guess his location or its left on the ground giving him some special bonus for picking it out before a timer runs out, maybe a AOE strike similar to kata´s passive or a AA enhancement like new akali´s passive.

Either way offers some counterplay or strategy to it, and for his Q i am outa brainjuice^^

Thanks for sharing all those thoughts! I do find these ideas interesting, but I much prefer keeping his W, it's the most unique thing about him. So I'm leaning in favor of the assassin route, unless Riot found a way to make it work to have stealth on a fighter.

Check out this idea as well as my response to it below, if you want to jump in on that discussion follow the link in the quote it will take you to that thread, otherwise I'd still like to hear your thoughts about those ideas here, if you're up for it.

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My idea would be to make his clone also be able to attack.

Like when Wu Kung E W to the enemy, make wukung's clone auto attack the nearest enemy and also mimic all the spells Wu Kung use(though the clones cannot move).

However, such way will make Wu Kung ridiculous in his 1v1, so make it so that Wu Kung will produce X number of clone for each target his E hits.

Since Wu Kung will have basically extra hit and spell, nerf Wu Kung's damage on his Q by like to 75% of its current strength as well as his ultimate.

This way, Wukung's fantasy of a teamfighter champ would be really powerful. The way to counter him is to stay away from his E range and he will be less effective.

Ofc you can nerf his damage if he comes too powerful.

So I really like this, it's cool that he would get to use clones based on enemies hit with E, and the spell already works so that he would travel to whichever enemy he targeted while his clones would wind up on the next closest two enemies. It meshes really well with how the existing version of E works. All things considered this alone would be a really small change to his kit, and one that would make him significantly more fun to play, as he could play off of it with his W.

That said, staying away from his E range is not good enough counterplay unfortunately. I'm not sure if you've played Wukong recently but the range on his E (a tageted ability by the way) is deceptively large. I'd be worried about it being unfair for opponents.

Maybe instead they should stand still like his W, allowing him to pretend to be one by standing still or allowing him to sneak away by using W after the dash to leave a clone in his place.

Just the small change of making E leave clones behind would be a net increase in his power though, so we'd still have to take some power out elsewhere, maybe Q could be changed into a spell like Lucian's Q, so it can target the enemy but also any enemies in a line behind him, that would encourage Wukong to position carefully to maximize what he could do with the ability.