@Riot, It's time to nerf the fuck outta Alistar

[{quoted}](name=Uber Yeets,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=5laKBEap,comment-id=00020000000000000000,timestamp=2018-08-28T21:25:00.170+0000)

okay.. but change the numbers on what? my question hasnt been answered, what is the issue with alistar? what should the numbers be changed on? im really trying to understand, im not saying change his kit. but what is the issue?

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[{quoted}](name=Uber Yeets,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=5laKBEap,comment-id=00020000000000000000,timestamp=2018-08-28T21:25:00.170+0000)

alright, his combo is reliable and his best peel is his E i can admit that and his built sustain isnt the main issue but runes that enhance the heal, those are bigger problems but thats a different topic. his R can be comparable to Rammus' W + a cleanse, i personally dont see why its a cleanse but its cool ig. also any high elo player that knows how to play him makes him absurd so eh. so how do we deal with his peel, what should the numbers be?

I honestly don't think there's any part of his kit that's making him particularly broken or anything. I really do think it's just a numbers thing.

Alistar actually has some pretty impressive base damage, loads of CC and tons of damage reduction. Lowering the numbers on any of those 3 could certainly smoothen out his performance a bit.

And that's all that's really needed here, just a slight trim, nothing major. Personally, I think the ult needs to take a hit, the damage reduction is doing far more than it needs to, making him go beyond hard to kill to just "ignore this guy til his ult runs out". Maybe just cut the scaling from 55 - 75 to 55 - 65 or lower the duration from 7s -> 5s.

I really don't think the CC should take a hit at all, it's pretty much what his niche is. His damage and tankiness aren't his premier attributes so I think it's better to hit him in one of those spots instead.

Pretty sure if he had a 50% CC duration nerf on his abilities it'd be pretty meaningful. Pretty sure if his abilities had 1/2 his current base damage it'd be pretty meaningful. Pretty sure if he had no scaling armor or mr it'd be pretty meaningful.

Numerical balance changes exist for the sole purpose of shifting WR on champions whose kits are considered healthy already.

Kit changes are for champions whose kits are making them break some sort of gameplay philosophy such as counterplay and stuff.