I'm going to be honest, I think people complain about Autofill too much.

Mafia LeBlanc·Jan 12, 2017·121 votes·4,649 views

I main Mid - it's the role I select every single queue and I off-pick Top, and I'll say 80% of my games, I get mid, 15% top, and maybe 5% I get thrown in as support.

As far as I know, Mid is the most highly contested lane, and I get it consistently.

The way people complain about autofill, you'd think it happens half the time, but in my own experience, it's not true.

And I imagine in silver/bronze, it's even less because there are simply more players to fill out people in the roles they actually want.

127 Comments

tseiheiJan 12, 201736 votes

I feel like people who complain about autofill clearly don't remember the draft pick way of ranked calling rolls (MID OR FEED), followed by 3 minutes of people trolling/raging to get their roll/champ only for someone to dodge 2 seconds before the match goes to the loading screen. This would then start again, spending a lot more time looking for just 1 match.

At least now, people dodge pretty early, and the autofilled people are asking pretty nicely for traded roles instead of everyone raging at each other...

Remember people, the largest goal of the current champion select was not game balance, it was player behavior and taking proactive measures against toxicity in games before it began.

DryditchJan 12, 20178 votes

I mean, I just had someone who got autofilled to support demand mid, then autolock a mid laner. Luckily enough I was last pick so I was able to go supp, but still... it's somehow worse than old draft pick when someone pulls shit like that, because they know they're not supposed to... but instead of doing their time and playing one game of support before being guaranteed three-four games of their selected roles, they just troll.

SkywallkerAJan 12, 20174 votes

They did back then too, it's just that brats get a sense of entitlement now because"they selected something else"

vOmvbrawfUJan 12, 20176 votes

People have always done this. It's not a system problem. It's a community not taking trolls serious problem.

JorenciceJan 12, 20175 votes

Dont give it to them. If you have mid go mid.

Teport them after the game.

Riot WILL ban them

DryditchJan 12, 20172 votes

That's usually my philosophy, but I was queuing up for one of very few ranked games I play these days, and I kind of wanted to win... so I got an S for myself and my ADC. Still reported his ass, but if I can help my team get some LP, I'm gonna help my team.

Sraeg2013Jan 12, 20172 votes

Or you can dodge at the price of 3 LP, 5 minutes and no MMR loss or match loss.

Instead of playing 20+ minutes of a lost game with a troll.

LexyyJan 12, 201718 votes

It's not that they don't remember - they didn't even play league at that time They started last season and think they know everything.

DjaveJan 12, 20171 votes

Look,i havent played league in a while but i started long,long time ago i am sil2 and it's low elo,and in low elos everyone hates playing as supp or even role that they didnt qued up as.So i would say 20% of my games i see trolls in it, inting cuz of bad supp,trolling that they got bad lane or they just suffer a lot in that lane. I am silver because i havent played in a while,but i hope i will reach normal elo to play in, i remember that in s3/s2 was hard to get ur lane and u needed to type,but in better eloes people would give u lane that u want even with that type of selecting your lane.

DjaveJan 12, 20172 votes

And i need to say that low eloes contain 60% of players and its clear that autofill is not needed in them.

MyDearestLeblancJan 12, 20175 votes

its not that people think autofill is as bad as that, its that autofill is like 7 steps in the wrong fucking direction

Sraeg2013Jan 12, 20178 votes

Bullshit.

What autofill accomplished for me as a Season 3 player:

I get my non-preferred roles at least 10 times as often as I used to in Seasons 3 through 5*
90% of people Alt+Tab out of the lobby, refusing to communicate making trading roles and champions nigh impossible**
My queue times at least doubled compared to what I was experiencing before pre-season while DODGING autofill*** And I was queueing - still am - for mid/top.

* - S3-S5 combined I spent 1.5% games as support, while I played literally zero support games in S4. ** - Though it's only a part of the reason, NCS and Role Selection and possibly Chat Restrictions are to be blamed too. *** - All you had to do was to remake the room at the price of spending whole 3 seconds doing so.

Dat KatJan 12, 20171 votes

You're about the only one who have complained or experienced higher queue times, if there's anything autofill has accomplished, it'd be lowering queue times. So just because you disagree with the system doesn't mean it's bullshit.

Sraeg2013Jan 12, 20175 votes

It does lower the queue time for the first game.

It does however induce dodging which increases overall queue times exponentially.

Ferus and FerrumJan 12, 20173 votes

I see more dodging due to crappy bans or top teemo picks than people not wanting to play a role.

tseiheiJan 13, 20171 votes

* Not that I don't believe you, but where did this stat (the 1.5% of games as support) come from? As to address the star'ed in part, It helps to know how many games you play as support, not how many times you get autofilled to it.

** The second bullet as far as I'm aware doesn't seem to have anything contradicting how autofill is different than Season 3. Unless you are using the beta client, when someone types in the champion select chat is pulls the taskbar up(on windows) and pulses an orange glow indicating that someone has typed Something. So Tabbing doesn't really do much, as well as that people can in no way be as AFK as they were in the season 3 champion select being that bans are not on team captain, and rather placed upon the "team" now.

Besides, where did you get 90%? Please quote a source for this.

And chat restrictions are a very small minority, although there could possibly be a "trade rolls" button implemented? (similar to ARAM champ trade I guess.)

*** Do you have anything, other than memory and perception, to prove that the q times have increased in any way? Obviously most statistics that you pull will not include the time spent in champion selects between lobby times, but Autofill wouldn't be in place if it didn't decrease q times.

Maybe I'm being a bit slow to think here, but could you clarify as to "remake the room..* part. As in dodge and remake the game? There would be a 3 lp loss both season 3 and now, and both seasons have the same escalating time-based leaver penalties.

Sraeg2013Jan 13, 20171 votes

1**.** I just counted most of my ranked games (For convenience sake I skipped most champions with 5 or less games then added 50 games per season, so I don't know the precise value) which was over 2000 games, then counted all games with support champions (Minus those I know for a fact weren't "support bot lane" games, like those 12 Sona games in Season 5, which were actually mid games. I added +5 games for those full-retard, but not troll games, like support Rengar) which ended up being around 40 games.

40/2000=0.02=2% +/- 0.5% of support games over 3 seasons.

Hm. Now that I think of it, I should've included Season 6 too, since it allowed you to dodge autofill at no penalty. ~~Or maybe I did count it... now I'm lost.~~ Ah, right. What promted me to count my support games, was the guy saying that with pre-Season 6 Pick Order you must've been able to support more often than with Role Selection of Season 6 and 7, so I didn't include Season 6, which is relevant to the autofill issue as I mentioned above.

In season 6 I played exactly 3 support games and easily over 300 non-support games. That's less than 1%.

If you want an actual source, I cannot provide it here due to Boards mods being anal about it. I can however send it to you, if you have, say, a Reddit or Google account - assuming you can message people in Google. Never had any incentive to see if you can.

2**.** It does not indicate somebody wrote something in the lobby, unless they directly messaged you. No idea about the new client, though. That's just my perception bias. On average I only get to talk with 1 person per 2 matches. Role/champion trading is even rarer.

As for chat restrictions, it's something I noticed in 2014 some time after that garbage was released (technically speaking it was a complete shit of a system). People were talking less and less with each other. Not even only trolling. All kinds of chat

3**.** And Solo Queue wouldn't be brought back after a year if it was working. Riot isn't willing to share that information unless it's an accomplished fact and they already acted on it.

The queue times for the first game are either the same or slightly lower, that's true, but the amount of dodging caused by people getting their worst role is many times higher than what it was.

In previous seasons getting somebody to dodge was miracle to the point I made up for 90% of dodges in my games. Now I get 2 dodges per game on average and I'm not the one dodging.

Remake the room as in, upon chosing a game mode(ranked DQ) but before starting the actual queue, you'd get a message saying if autofill is on or off. If it was on, all you had to do was to quit the room and pick the queue again at no LP loss.

Stray KatJan 12, 201711 votes

Two years ago if you came to these boards and complained "I'm always stuck with support because I'm last pick!11!!!1" everyone would have told you to suck it up and learn it. They would have told you that you have no business in ranked if you weren't able to play all roles competently. I was even berated for saying that I was a terrible ADC, and told that I needed to leave ranked and learn to play the one role I never chose, because you need to know them all in ranked.

Fast forward a season, we're given the choice of roles. All is well. Fast forward another season, autofill is added. MAYBE 1 in 10 games you'll get autofilled. Everyone freaks out that they're being put in a role they can't play and that riot is shit and the game is shit and OMG I LOST BECAUSE OF YOU NOT GIVING ME MY ROLE!!!111!!!1

Well. Learn the other roles. It's not hard to learn Raka, or Janna, or Braum.. And once in awhile stand there derping around supporting your ADC. Don't want to do all of a support's jobs? Cool, that's fine. Pick a support with some peel and focus on peeling for your ADC only and forget your other responsibilities. Do what you have to. But don't get angry because you didn't learn to play the game before you decided to play it.

People forget their own stances way too quickly. The same people who used to say "Don't enter ranked without knowing every role" are some of the same saying "OMG I didn't get my chosen role Riot sucks". Everyone should occasionally be in every role. Should you jungle often if you suck at it? No. But you sure as hell shouldn't have a "vs A.I." skill level in jungle/Support/ADC with a Diamond skill level in Mid/Top. If you do, that's your own fault for failing to learn 3/5 of the game's roles, not Riot's fault for not giving you Mid/Top EVERY SINGLE game.

Edit: My only problem with Autofill is how early it's used. If I queue for top/mid, and the game says It'll be Approx: 3:19 seconds for a game to be found.. Please don't autofill me into Support/ADC/Jungle at 2:30. At least wait until My "Expected Wait Time" elapses. Or even double my expected wait time. I don't mind getting autofilled to avoid a 15 minute queue(Not that I've ever seen a 15 minute queue during the day for ranked), I do mind it a tiny bit getting autofilled without it giving a proper chance to even find my selected roles.

SammystormJan 12, 20173 votes

This post is an insult to A.I. I am offended

SilencegaJan 12, 20179 votes

i rarely get af becasue im a support main, but when i do get auto filled, i get auto filled to support and continue normally. but really, how hard is it to be able to play each role at just under your ranks skill level, especially in silver and gold. i understand in diamond+ why it could matter, because people are super skilled with their pools kits, but in plat under you can probably get away with playing out of your favorite role. besides, i think everyone should have at least 2 champs per role they can function with near their skill level.

Mafia LeBlancJan 12, 20172 votes

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i rarely get af becasue im a support main, but when i do get auto filled, i get auto filled to support and continue normally. but really, how hard is it to be able to play each role at just under your ranks skill level, especially in silver and gold. i understand in diamond+ why it could matter, because people are super skilled with their pools kits, but in plat under you can probably get away with playing out of your favorite role. besides, i think everyone should have at least 2 champs per role they can function with near their skill level.

For me, specifically, I have literally played this champion in this role, thousands of games. Thousands.

Each game I still learn more about how to play, and optimal builds. I also remember my first 50 games were terrible, I was useless, and it took dozens of hours just to play on a not preschool level.

For me to play any other role, or half of hte roster at hte same level I play LB and Eve at, it would take months of normals.

SilencegaJan 12, 20172 votes

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For me, specifically, I have literally played this champion in this role, thousands of games. Thousands.

Each game I still learn more about how to play, and optimal builds. I also remember my first 50 games were terrible, I was useless, and it took dozens of hours just to play on a not preschool level.

For me to play any other role, or half of hte roster at hte same level I play LB and Eve at, it would take months of normals.

that isnt healthy anyway, it is possible for both of those champs to be banned in the same game, then what? literally you need to know 10 champions minimum.

SkywallkerAJan 12, 20174 votes

Are you last pick? Are you stuck with the role you don't play that well? Too bad scrub that's on you. Remember that? Autofill is a less likely version of that! And that is whats called an upgrade

ChargeItDownMidJan 12, 20173 votes

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Mafia LeBlancJan 12, 20174 votes

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Here is the thing you are missing. If you are getting autofilled at a 5% clip and there are 10 players every game, what percentage of games are being ruined by autofill?

The problem with autofill was never that one person specifically got autofilled too much. It was that the overall quality of ranked goes down because players are not playing on their best roles. It is a step back towards the archaic season 5 model which should never have been taken for ranked.

You also seem to think that Autofill is an automatic lose.

Guess what? You don't HAVE To play an ADC if you get bot lane. If you want to play mage, play a damn mage. If you're really that proficient with that champion, I'm sure you've faced an ADC mid lane as them - just crush the lane and play smart. Most mages/assassins just totally wreck most bot lane and make any ADC cry and get toxic.

As long as you win your lane with the champion you are best with, you have a really good shot of winning, even if the teamcomp is subpar. The way the game is now, much of the game is decided by 15 minutes. If you picked a champion you're comfortable with, and are matched against an autofill sona ashe lane, you're going to stomp them and make them useless all game, get them flamed by their team, and collect your free elo.

I was filled as bot, mid wouldn't swap, so I went LeBlanc bot in place of ADC. Even though Lulu fed first blood, we crushed bot lane and they had to leave their lane and go mid to farm while being yelled at in all chat and asking us to report them, because they would explode if they stepped off turret.

The one good thing that season 7 did is really shook up the meta, and it's not uncommon to see almost every single champ in almost every single role, and not have it be auto trolling.

ChargeItDownMidJan 12, 20172 votes

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Mafia LeBlancJan 12, 20173 votes

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It isn't about auto win or auto loss, it degrades the quality of ranked games. Any good team will punish you hard for not following the meta, that is why the meta is so prevalent. By trying to break the meta, you are essentially hoping your opponents play poorly which should never be the goal of a ranked queue.

I wouldn't mind autofill for normals but it has no place in ranked and a step back towards the old archaic ranked queue where you do not have everyone playing a role they know well.

That is absolutely not true. Especially in this season.

That is the one thing I actually really like about this season - it's the first time since season 1 where I've seen people allowed to pick almost any champion into any role and not get flamed by teammates.

I've seen people pick Yasuo ADC, Twitch jungle, Irelia mid, Annie top, and won. As people have seen with Ziggs ADC, I think finally people are starting to realize that the best pick isn't always the 'meta' pick.

EinarUlfarJan 12, 20173 votes

I don't think autofill would be as much of an "issue" if Riot would alter a few things in consideration of it. Such as either giving us more rune pages, or the ability to edit our rune setups in the lobby. It's a hassle to be autofilled to an unfamiliar position to only then not have a rune page setup for said position. ):

For anyone that thinks we should be skilled with several champs in every role, I understand, but some of us are working toward getting IP for runes for our mains before branching out (so we can excel at those/tweak those we enjoy the most) to get more IP for more champions then more runes. It's not a fast process.

I'd be lying if I said I was fond of autofill, but I'm at least willing to work with it.

DarkRitualJan 12, 20174 votes

Getting some generalizt champs that can play multiple roles is a huge boon. Someone like Lulu, or Karma, would be great examples. Most roles have good crossover roles, with marksmen being the least commonly played elsewhere.

EinarUlfarJan 12, 20172 votes

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Getting some generalizt champs that can play multiple roles is a huge boon. Someone like Lulu, or Karma, would be great examples. Most roles have good crossover roles, with marksmen being the least commonly played elsewhere.

Good advice, and kindly written. Thank you! (=

Hello I am BirdJan 12, 20173 votes

For Marksmen, Quinn is really good at doing more than one position. She can do just about everything but support. ######People will hate you for playing her though

MagikarpIsBossJan 12, 20172 votes

Not being able to change rune pages is really annoying. Since I play Mid and ADC, (and been playing this game for a little less than a year) I only have an AP page, AD page, and AS page. It is really annoying when I do need something specific but since Riot doesnt let us change the contents of pages in champ select im stuck with it. I dont really mind that much since a decent amount of supports can go AP pages, it is fine. But even in lane match ups where I might want some different stuff on my pages, it is a bit annoying.

AMYS GRAVEJan 12, 20173 votes

its not about the frequency of autofilling, i barely get it, but the increased queue times due to dodging.

Also when i get a situation in which there wasn't a need to autofill anyone but somehow three support mains got their secondary roles and someone else got autofilled to support all on the same team shows the system isn't working.

General Esdeath Jan 12, 20173 votes

It's not about being autofilled yourself, it's about how often someone has a support or any role that gets filled and has no idea what to do. And the autofill activates if you're in queue for 20 seconds. That's so short of a time. Anyone would rather wait in queue 15 minutes than waste 30 minutes in a role they don't know/like or playing with someone autofilled who doesn't know/like the roll.

SpongebobIsLifeJan 12, 20172 votes

you do get autofilled pretty often but my main issue is that you are forcing someone into a role that they are not comfortable in. A few games ago i got auto filled into jungle..now who do you think that went when jungle is a role i don play? not to mention im in low diamond, high plat elo.

Autofill just makes the game harder to climb than it already is.

SkywallkerAJan 12, 20172 votes

That used to happen all the time. It was called last pick

SpongebobIsLifeJan 12, 20172 votes

Yes, i've been playing since season three, but the past doesn't matter in this case. Riot implemented a system where one is supposed to get one of two selected roles, and this system is what the current players are accustomed to. So when the system changes and everyone is getting autofilled every few games of course people are going to be upset. Especially considering the role most people get autofilled into is the least played, arguably least fun, and hardest role to carry from. So of course there are going to be complaints. Even if support isn't the lane theat you are getting filled into, you should not be getting filled into a role you cannot play or cannot play well. It serves for a really unfun experience for the player.

SkywallkerAJan 13, 20171 votes

The fact of the matter is you have a higher chance of getting you prefered role than ever before. You shouldn't make excuses for entitled whiners

Weasel KenseiJan 12, 20172 votes

Yeah, you need to stop imagining stuff about lower elos then.

The assclowns in bronze/silver are forced to support, they go full AP no sight stone, kill steal, wont peel for adc, and get hyper aggressive when an enemy is hurt but forget its s 2v2 lane and there are 2 people so they end up feeding gold which makes them act out even more.

MOST, as in 51% or greater of the matches I dont que up as support, I get an autofill support that troll picks a top laner or mid laner and MOST of those refuse to build a sight stone, and a few of them dont even know anything about supporting or dont care and start D.Ring and pots...

I dont complain about autofill cause I get it, I complain about how the shitty assholes that do act when theyre forced to support. I mean they arnt good in their lanes to begin with most of the time, but they at least dont start the match with a "Who gives a fuck, cant wait for this to end" attitude about their role.

6SfoolJan 12, 20173 votes

That has nothing to do with autofill, and everything to do with bad players. Yes, being autofilled can disappoint people, but it does not lead them to act like second midlaners. Their lack of game understanding and social skills is what leads them to troll or feed. Every time I get autofilled, I see it as Riot's way of telling me to switch it up and I gladly take the position.

Weasel KenseiJan 12, 20176 votes

Thats you. Guess what, if everyone acted the same way in a given situation, or reacted with reason and logic... we wouldnt have wars or prisons.

There are assholes in this game, SHOCKING TO FIND OUT!!

Youre correct that its on them for acting that way, but the autofill is what triggers them to start doing it from before the match even starts. Yes these people may tilt and act an ass in any lane and troll/feed. When they get support though, they dont even give the match a chance before they start, they just want it to be over.

I get that you have an opinion on the mater, but ignoring what happens to others doesnt mean it doesnt happen.

TheHappyReaperzJan 12, 20171 votes

So what your saying is the autofill supports are the same as people who que up for supports? In bronze/silver at least.

Weasel KenseiJan 13, 20171 votes

Most of the supports, in bronze/silver at least, ARE autofilled. A significant percentage do que up and go full AP no sight stone because they think that will get them the win more easily. That or the think skipping the 800 gold of the ss will put them onto damage items sooner which they precive as more fun than the increased loss chance associated with the lack of vision. Or as I often state it in a match/post game, "Support would rather lose than build a sight stone."

dakota saturnJan 13, 20171 votes

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Most of the supports, in bronze/silver at least, ARE autofilled. A significant percentage do que up and go full AP no sight stone because they think that will get them the win more easily. That or the think skipping the 800 gold of the ss will put them onto damage items sooner which they precive as more fun than the increased loss chance associated with the lack of vision. Or as I often state it in a match/post game, "Support would rather lose than build a sight stone."

I'll be quite honest - when I get autofilled to support, I go LeBlanc full AP and skip sightstone too. That 800g -does- set you back, and I'd rather play to actually win the lane than just passively farm. I still buy control wards and build FQC for vision, but buying 1st item sightstone would make me useless in lane.

Once you get a kill or 2 on the ADC, you will snowball, tilt the enemy, and probably get the enemy ADC/Support to fight each other and tilt everyone else.

Weasel KenseiJan 13, 20171 votes

Can you post that on an account where you do it?

Cause this account is level 18 and unranked. Certainly youre not talking about doing this in unranked matches... Cause Im talking about these assclowns doing this shit in RANKED where youre expected to be trying to win.

dakota saturnJan 13, 20171 votes

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Can you post that on an account where you do it?

Cause this account is level 18 and unranked. Certainly youre not talking about doing this in unranked matches... Cause Im talking about these assclowns doing this shit in RANKED where youre expected to be trying to win.

I'm the OP :)

Sardaukar123Jan 12, 20171 votes

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I main Mid - it's the role I select every single queue and I off-pick Top, and I'll say 80% of my games, I get mid, 15% top, and maybe 5% I get thrown in as support.

As far as I know, Mid is the most highly contested lane, and I get it consistently.

The way people complain about autofill, you'd think it happens half the time, but in my own experience, it's not true.

And I imagine in silver/bronze, it's even less because there are simply more players to fill out people in the roles they actually want.

really? tell me about the times im always thrown in off role then... whats that? 7 times in a row? yeah

for this very reason i gave up on choosing anything... choosing a primary? why would you when secondary is always looking at you... if you are not getting your primary role its a gamble. so might just go for fill and gamble anyway.