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You Guys Are Overreacting

FarRockBF··44 votes·4,008 views

"OMG Nasus can 3 shot towers late game!"

OK.

(Since you said it takes Nasus 3 Qs to down a tower late game) Math = MAXED Q Cooldown with 40% CDR = 4 X .6 = 2.4 seconds X 3 = 7.2 seconds to destroy a tower.

Any AD melee who builds damage, lets take Yi for example:

With Highlander and item 3142 and item 3006 he gets damn close to the 2.5X AS. Let's assume he got there for arguments sake. He hits 400 AD easy late game. You cannot crit a tower so this is 400X2.5 = 1000AD per second. Now towers do have armor. I'm not going to go heavy into the math; so lets say you do only 50% damage to a tower. 500AD/sec. Turrets have what 2000HP? 2000/500 = 4 seconds.

I understand my math is over simplistic, but it is within reason, even if the numbers are higher my argument is still valid.

You read that right. It takes an AD champion 4 seconds if max AS to down a tower. if champion has only 1.25 AS (very unlikely) the champion can still down a tower nearly as quick as Susan.

So WTH are you all complaining about? I get it looks cool when the tower HP disappears in one second but and AD can do the same goddamn thing.

Edit: As per Lord Dusteon below, I edited that Pen doesn't work on towers. BTW check out his math below. Far cooler than mine.

82 Comments

Ixoziel29 votes

Jinx can kill them insanely fast too.

ComannderShepard5 votes

as can trist with her E

Nilok1 votes

...and Q, sort of.

Icestar118624 votes

Thank you! Nasus is completely balanced.

Xx420n0sc0p3sxX21 votes

The difference is Nasus buys 1 damage item usually, which still has hp in it.

I don't think Nasus is op, but the fact that you have to worry about him the whole game is unfun.

LICENSED HOOKER7 votes

Im not gonna lie, i main nasus and i know that feeling when i dont get top and theirs enemy top lane is nasus. "Guys we have approx 30 minutes to end this game or make them ff, or else we lose."

I like to think of it as playing vs a time bomb that will explode lel

kile1476 votes

He requires constant babysitting, and is basically a ticking timebomb that can only truly be delayed by hardcore counterpicking

Confron7a7ion71 votes

And even still, you never truly STOP Nasus. You only really slow down his stacking.

LICENSED HOOKER1 votes

:)

jDVL20eCYs2 votes

Nasus fall of late game do since his team fighting is shit,. He spikes at 25 min and is insane 1 vs 1 split pusher but then he just fall of.

I Miss Cannon1 votes

i hear most people saying he's bad in teamfights because of his lack of gapclosers, but man c'mon, his ult is like made for teamfight, he got a spammable ultra slow and if you just buy a righteous glory that gapclosing problem is fixed. he's just not the one who can engage a teamfight properly i guess.

SaltyKracka1 votes

His ult's actually shit in a teamfight. What it's made for is making him hard to duel because he's wearing away at your health, getting damage from it, and is tankier on top of it.

Nasus really isn't all that tanky a champ in general, and if you ever take him into a teamfight you'll see.

I Miss Cannon1 votes

well i did and i triplekilled their carries and their top/jgl/supportmultiple times. But guess it's maybe because i'm only Silver.

WillHealForHonor1 votes

but if u main him u would know how hard he can be kited?

LICENSED HOOKER1 votes

Thats why you take towers..

ZenBudS1 votes

yeah he is a selfish champion that usually forces everyone to have a less than enjoyable experience.

fractalfantasies1 votes

{quoted}

yeah he is a selfish champion that usually forces everyone to have a less than enjoyable experience.

I love having a good Nasus on my team, but tbh, whenever he is on the enemies team, the game does boil down to end this shit as fast as possible.

lB2kGRlc8y1 votes

Or just have a lulu/janna support instead of a blitz/thresh. Good luck having anything but thresh/leona bot though.

lB2kGRlc8y2 votes

so... like having to worry about an adc, except most adcs have either ranged attacks, or gap closers for the melee ones. Like people don't worry about a riven getting fed, the fact that they'll allow some champions to worry them and others not to is the stupid thing.

Loken Stoneheart2 votes

{quoted}

The difference is Nasus buys 1 damage item usually, which still has hp in it.

I don't think Nasus is op, but the fact that you have to worry about him the whole game is unfun.

Like... Every... other champion...?

You can't ignore anybody.

CubedJustice1 votes

If you put a Soraka in top lane by herself, you're not going to worry about it. You'll go up there and deal with her occasionally, but she's not really a worry.

HateDaddy1 votes

{quoted}

If you put a Soraka in top lane by herself, you're not going to worry about it. You'll go up there and deal with her occasionally, but she's not really a worry.

That's because soraka literally can't solo lane now lol

CubedJustice1 votes

My point exactly! ^.^

Malzahard Mode1 votes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emUQSITvuVE

UberDanger disagrees

BigPooStorm1 votes

Actually, in higher elo, unless he is incredibly fed, he is terrible in late game teamfights, unless you get off an amazing flank, or your team makes an amazing engage. The reason being that he is easily peeled/kited, and his wither is negated by QSS. His power spike in team fights comes before the ADC starts building QSS + LW. Late game, I'd take a Vayne over a 700+ stack Nasus on my team any day, and this is coming from a Nasus main. If you have are against a good Vayne with Thresh/Janna/Morgana peel, good luck ever getting a single Q off.

Late game he is a 1v1 split pushing monster, but even that can be shut down since he has no mobility and can be caught out easily.

Confron7a7ion71 votes

I like to play Nasus frequently. Come mid game I can normally 1v2 and if I'm having a good game 1v3. I have learned to NEVER try to chase down Vayne. She can 1v1 a fed Nasus.

BronzeVOnly17 votes

I think the argument is that Nasus doesn't need a minion wave to do it (cause he is a tank) but that's the only advantage he has. Still I think he is balanced.

Lord Dusteon13 votes

Going to add something; penetration does not work on towers, and towers always have at least 100 armor and magic resistance, reducing damage they take to 50%. Effectively you need to do 5000 damage to destroy a 2500 health turret.

For Nasus, at max CDR he can get 2 autos off before Q is up; this gives him (assuming Trinity as his only offensive item); his 2 autos do 149 damage each, and his Q does 387 (base AD + Trinity proc) + Q stacks. After 3 of these rotations (auto auto Q auto auto Q auto auto Q) Nasus has done 2055 damage; this means his three Q's need to do 2945 damage, or ~982 damage a Q. With his Q base damage, it adds 110; Nasus still needs at LEAST 872 Q stacks to destroy a turret in 3 Q's (and autoattacks in between Q's).

For Master Yi, assuming a reasonable full damage build (IE, BotRK, PD, Greaves, Bloodthirster, Youmuu's Ghostblade) he has max AS with ult up (technically 1% over the cap) and 359 AD. Yi does 897.5 damage a second to turrets with this build, meaning he will kill a turret in 5.57 seconds.

So Nasus takes around 8-9 seconds with 872+ stacks to kill a turret; Master Yi takes around 5.57 seconds, almost half Nasus's time.

xl Kirito lx9 votes

What? The people on the boards are overreacting? This has never happened before.

Fowus8 votes

Trundle YOU CAN BITE TOWERS

ChaoticPinecone8 votes

Im not going to say Nasus is OP (he isnt), but its a bad comparison.

An ADC who builds pure damage can take towers fast. Thats expected. When your tank does it...

SaltyKracka2 votes

It's acceptable, because splitpushing is the only thing he's actually good at.

Left Hook Larry2 votes

LOL except you forgot to mention being able to 3 shot any squishy late game while building all defensive items

SaltyKracka6 votes

If you're letting Nasus get close enough for long enough to 3 shot a carry in the lategame, the time when you should be grouping up and teamfighting...

You've got bigger problems.

jeffpunkh1 votes

Ghost wither is a thing.

And lets not forget the other 4 champions on their team.

SaltyKracka3 votes

This is literally actually precisely what tanks and supports are for.

Left Hook Larry1 votes

I've had games where I destroyed a Nasus in lane, but my team wasn't do the best, so I started to roam after taking TOP tower. I helped my team, but because of that Nasus got a bunch of free farm. He only took CS with his Q and it got to a point where I couldn't really do much.

A champ that requires you to completely babysit him has a toxic kit. ALSO a Nasus WILL eventually get those stacks. If the game stalls out long enough he will eventually become a god late game.

SaltyKracka1 votes

Thanks for the anecdote.

Now are you actually going to post anything relevant, or should I just treat your idiocy as a given?

Left Hook Larry1 votes

Done arguing with morons. You clearly have nothing to say to my points. OH look you main Nasus. No surprise there. Enjoy Silver 3

SaltyKracka1 votes

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I'm a creeper who loves to make irrelevant shitposts

Good to know, creepazoid! Maybe next time you try to argue on the internet you can actually come up with relevant posts so as not to waste other people's time!

For Carthage6 votes

I think people are more pissy about it because Susan can do that while being completely undroppable while Jinx and Yi can basically be punched in the face a couple of times and sent to go cry to mother.

Fadedpf5 votes

Nasus + enemy team peeling = Nasus wont do shit

terkmc1 votes

Nasus + His team vs your team He aint going in 1v5

Confron7a7ion71 votes

As a Nasus player though I can 1v3 and WILL 1v2.

MohawkBird4 votes

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HateDaddy2 votes

{quoted}

But to be fair, someone like a Master YI wouldn't be able to facetank the tower that whole 3 seconds (well maybe now he can because Riot gutted towers even though they needed buffs) so he would require a minion wave. Nasus being extremely tanky and dealing hella damage can just walk up to your inhib turret and 3 shot it and get out unscathed.

In order for that to be a thing, you're talking massive Q farm in the area of 1000+ damage farmed. If he tries to face tank a turret, keep in mind without minions, it's armor is increased by a fuckton. And it doesn't matter how tabky he builds, if he can't kill the tower before it kills him, then none of this matters. So in reality, how many games are you playing where Nasus is getting 1000+ damage on his Q? If you allowed it to get to that point, I'd argue you deserved to lose to a back dooring Nasus.

Dedrius4 votes

The problem people have with Nasus is that he does this while building full tank. I remember a few games ago where the enemy Nasus solo'd both our Nexus towers with no creeps while we were trying to end the game by soloing the first one, Q'ing a few creeps to sustain back up then soloing the second.

Meanwhile our team "we got this guys! we proxy'd the waves so Nasus has no creeps, no way he can end!........DEFEAT

He is also annoying to have to send 2-3 people after to defend a tower because he can constantly Q you then Q a creep to sustain while tanking tower and chunking you down until you are forced off of it.

Don't think he is OP, just not fun or interactive at all.

Ryvaku3 votes

I'm surprised they cried about Nasus of all champs lol.

lB2kGRlc8y3 votes

Its because a lot of people who play overtuned champions can't fathom a world in where they can't trade blows with another champion and not come out on top. People then disregard his legitimate weaknesses and cry for nerfs just so they don't have to bother changing their play style. "OMG i shouldn't have to keep nasus from farming Qs, wtf kind of mechanic is that?" is the thing i hear most people bitch about, and even when he's allowed to stack, a single zoning support champion can completely take him out of a teamfight.

3TWarrior2 votes

the difference being that yi will die instantly should anyone focus him and he also requires a lot of items...nasus, however, will get at least 300 stacks while probably suffering 0 deaths top lane

4000 hp nasus with 400-1000 damage Q every few seconds

he doesn't pentakill like yi, but he can tank as he pleases and reduce armor for himself and teammates

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