the lux nerfs.

letsfeedtogether·Jul 1, 2019·14 votes·7,583 views

https://twitter.com/RiotRepertoir/status/1145788144937136128

i dont think lux is really the problem. aftershock is, why wont you just nerf it on ranged champions?

yes. maybe nerf her w a little bit. but why remove her reset mechanic on her ult? its one of the best things about her. i love going the ult setup and have 8 seconds on it when i get a take down. its fun. and not broken. because you need to get her Q to hit it most of the times. make the CD longer or even make it weaker. but dont take out the reset mechanic please.

39 Comments

ToxicSquiidJul 1, 20199 votes

Yup, an 8-second cool-down for an AP nuke on a support -- sounds totally balanced to me.

This champion has been overtuned for patches on end as a support and it honestly needed a heavy gutting. She provides giant shields, negating almost entire health-bars of damage whilst also dealing a cosmic fuck-ton of damage on short CDs.

54% winrate in both pro and below, she's not as frustrating as a Riven, but she had these nerfs coming.

letsfeedtogetherJul 1, 20195 votes

hmm you do not go the ult setup on support because you go aftershock. a little bit of thinking

DrakensuJul 1, 20195 votes

I couldn't agree more to this post.

I'm a main Lux Mid and used to be master playing only her and Orianna when i was tryharding. Lus is REALLY bad midlane, when you are in high elo. The only thing that makes her OP WITHOUT ANY BUFF, is the abuse of aftershock and only as a SUPPORT.

So pls, target your nerfs on it ! There is no reason to let that rune working like that for range champions ! It ruined Lissandra, then Ryze and now Lux.

You can also nerf her shield aswell, i'm fine with it, i always thought the last buff she got on her W was too much, even in mid.

BUT PLS, DO NOT TOUCH THE RESET MECHANIC ON THE ULTIMATE, it's the smartest change you did on Lux. When Lux wasn't viable, i was like "hmm how could Riot make her more viable, without making her broken".
Imo, reducing CD, increasing DMG, woulda made her too broken or boring to play against. But that change you found was sooooo clever. You have to know that in high elo, the only way to hit a R as Lux, is to target an immobile champion walking next to a wall. All those 2 conditions are necessary cause it's really easy to dodge for any player above D1. It makes no sens to hit this ability when it has nothing to do about her OPness in the support role.

Sorry for my english.

TLDR : - Nerf Aftershock for range champions - Nerf the shield like you did on the PBE if it still necessary - Remove the buff (ap ratio) on the ultimate and the CD reduced and let the reset mechanic !

[sg-lux]

Anu3isIIJul 2, 20192 votes

If you look at the change overall, they want to have her Ult cooldown relatively the same/higher. They specifically target Lux Support, which will always be behind in levels and AP, while trying to keep Lux Mid at the same amount of power.

Removing the execute will affect mostly Support Lux, who almost never has to waveclear and generally uses her Ultimate for execute, while AP Lux will manage without it. After all, if they feel it is too weak, they will buff its AP Ratio higher. The CD would already be significantly lower later into the game (40 from 60 sec), so they already covered the CD.

LightIsMyPathJul 2, 20193 votes

Lux support uses the ult for vision just like mid lux uses it to waveclear

ToxicSquiidJul 1, 20194 votes

I'm moreso saying in general that this champ is overtuned. Less about the ultimate, as I usually run tanks anyways and just run her down lmao.

Keeperofthe7keysJul 1, 20194 votes

These changes are actually a meme, she's 19th winrate mid in plat+ at 51% which is in line with average. There are far more powerful champs that could be nerfed instead. Her kit also received 0 buffs, what made her popular as a support recently was aftershock where she holds a 53% winrate in plat+

The problem here is clearly that the rune makes her a good counter pick to all in engage supports, it has nothing to do with the innate strength of her kit. Nerfing her makes no actual sense looking at how she actually performs as a mid laner.

Nerf aftershock on ranged champs, the thing that gives her an unusually high winrate, not parts of her kit that just hurts mid lane and won't stop her being a popular support.

D357R0Y3RJul 1, 20193 votes

nerf 1 rune because of 1 champ

nice meme

Keeperofthe7keysJul 1, 20193 votes

She's far from the only champion it gets used on you know? And it doesn't get used mid lane so why nerf that? You're nerfing a champion because of the strength of one very specific use case? As suggested nerf aftershock for ranged champions, takes care of the problem no one else really cares, doesn't effect the melee tanks that like to use it. See how easy this is to fix with a little thinking? WIthout and prior to the use of this rune Lux had much lower popularity and winrate, and still maintains that in mid lane, so the problem is clearly not with the champion by herself. Nerfing the champion like this in this case is the meme.

IainG10Jul 2, 20196 votes

She IS the 5th or 6th champ receiving a nerf because of Aftershock, most of them CC mages.

Keeperofthe7keysJul 2, 20193 votes

Exactly this, there is an obvious pattern and I don't know how people let alone riot haven't paid enough attention to see it.

IainG10Jul 2, 20191 votes

It was said by Boards every time it happened, but Rito have an absolute phobia of admitting they made a mistake

ChaosReynJul 2, 20192 votes

I beg your pardon?

Diana Ekko Kennen Lissandra Morgana Lux Swain Sylas (and probably more. >.>)

Anu3isIIJul 2, 20191 votes

Very debatable picks, only Lux Lissandra Sylas Fiddlesticks really pick it consistently.

Minimac2000Jul 2, 20194 votes

You are mistaken, lux is the problem

Neo CyrusJul 2, 20193 votes

No offense dude, but you're a Silver Nami main. You're in a league where pics don't particularly matter and you have a heavily biased view just on being a Nami main alone.

These nerfs absolutely destroy mid Lux. Believe me, the problem is how much shielding she can give her team, and worse than that, aftershock keeping her alive in a lane where she should be 1 shot.

Minimac2000Jul 3, 20191 votes

[{quoted}](name=Neo Cyrus,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=QhGE7nMb,comment-id=000a0000,timestamp=2019-07-02T13:45:23.322+0000)

No offense dude, but you're a Silver Nami main. You're in a league where pics don't particularly matter and you have a heavily biased view just on being a Nami main alone.

These nerfs absolutely destroy mid Lux. Believe me, the problem is how much shielding she can give her team, and worse than that, aftershock keeping her alive in a lane where she should be 1 shot.

Uh, I'm not a nami main. I play morg and nami in ranked when I get filled support which is a lot. My last 12 games are on illaoi lol. Check op.gg next time

Neo CyrusJul 3, 20191 votes

Your main is what you play most.

https://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=Minimac2000

Nami is still your most played.

Minimac2000Jul 3, 20191 votes

[{quoted}](name=Neo Cyrus,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=QhGE7nMb,comment-id=000a000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-03T16:06:37.143+0000)

Your main is what you play most.

https://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=Minimac2000

Nami is still your most played.

I have almost triple the mastery points on most of my other champs illaoi, sion, nautilus, blitzcrank thresh and double on morg as nami and I played like 20 games of ranked because rito's servers disconnected me 3 games in a row. But yeah, whatever you say.

Getting back on topic tho, lux support specifically is the issue as no one is running aftershock on lux mid-> solution nerf lux support and try not to hit mid lux too much

Sergeant HbA1cAug 3, 20192 votes

[{quoted}](name=Neo Cyrus,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=QhGE7nMb,comment-id=000a0000,timestamp=2019-07-02T13:45:23.322+0000) These nerfs absolutely destroy mid Lux. Believe me, the problem is how much shielding she can give her team, and worse than that, aftershock keeping her alive in a lane where she should be 1 shot.

Meanwhile Lissandra is getting away with Aftershock shenanigans because of how popular it is...

It irks me that people see a champion's strengths and none of the weaknesses, but even more so when they are very obvious. Lux played the same even after all the buffs she received. She had a neat burst mechanic that rewarded you for landing ults and timing them properly, however she was still: mana hungry, immobile, squishy.

It wasn't a numbers issue so much as it was her kit. She needed a minor tweak that could give her an edge (the ult reset). Riot even adjusted her numbers to move more of her damage to her Q, because the tweaks to her ult made her actually a champion and not a half-baked burst mage with some crowd control.

Then someone got the bright idea of using Aftershock on her and suddenly bam she's op. I'll say it before and I'll say it again. It's not the champions abusing Aftershock, it's the rune itself.

Neo CyrusAug 4, 20191 votes

Agreed, Aftershock is pretty toxic for the game IMO. At lower elos, so the vast vast majority of players, no one knows when it's coming. "Surprise" walls of stats are never healthy for a game, it's a powerful mechanic that people just don't expect. It needs to be removed. Even at higher Elos than average (I'm in Plat 3 ATM) people absolutely hate Aftershock, it's not fun to use, it's super annoying to fight.

My post you're responding to is so old though that they've nerfed Lux since then and added damage to her skills so support Lux is worthless now. Mid Lux is also weaker because the shield was absolutely decimated, but with the extra damage added to her kit mid Lux is still viable in solo queue.

48% win rate so far this patch as support, 50% as mid: https://u.gg/lol/champions/lux/build?role=middle

I think she kind of sucks mid for how squishy she is and how easily she can be 100-0'd now.

EedatJul 1, 20193 votes

I mean she needs some sort of nerf. 54% winrate with 26% pickrate as support big yikes

Keeperofthe7keysJul 1, 20194 votes

19th at 51% mid with a 1.97% winrate, received no buffs in ages, so clearly not the champion that's the problem. So, what did happen here? People started using aftershock as a counterpick to engage supports, that's what the problem is.

kμrayamiJul 1, 20193 votes

''i dont think lux is the problem'' an aoe barrier every 10 seconds its fine Kappa and bein a better assassin than most assassins is fine as well lets goooo

PopcornBunniJul 2, 20192 votes

Aftershock isn't the problem, but these nerfs don't address the problem either. 0 cost nonexistent cooldown 2 second roots are the problem.

invisiblecat1Jul 2, 20192 votes

Those Ult reset buffs were kinda just thrown in there randomly when she was perfectly balanced for no reason at all

I'm kinda glad they're removing it so they can give her changes when she needs it, rather than making her strong in one aspect and then being forced to nerf everything else

LightIsMyPathJul 2, 20193 votes

She was sporting a 45% winrate before this buff, and it's not at all what made her strong lol everyone acts like she was buffed recently when last buff she got was more than a year ago and she's been 51% winrate mid and 49% in support ever since. Then aftershock happens and suddenly she's getting winrates between 54 and 57 with pickrate nearing 30%. I guess where the problem came from, who knows!! Just like lissandra: Loose some solo damage and mana sustain and gain a snowballing fight passive and oh look you're op! Tankiness? Nah must totally be cause the lowest damage mage in the game can kite a fight.

Logicalily Jul 2, 20192 votes

REMEMBER WHEN LUX WASN'T A REAL SUPP xD*[sg-lux-2]*

Neo CyrusJul 2, 20192 votes

I'm okay with the shield nerf because it hits support Lux but I agree that aftershock is the main problem. This is going to kill mid Lux.

HochelagaJul 2, 20192 votes

I'm not sure if you actually realize how broken Lux's shield is.

She can potentially shield all 5 champions by over 360 shield value without any AP. In bot lane, she's one of the few champion that can shield HERSELF plus her ally making this absolutely crazy (the other one being Taric and Sona or guardian rune users. They are nowhere near Lux's shield value)
She can double use her Athene's holy grail if her shield actually comes back to her allies
That shield strangely last for more than 4 seconds while all other shields usually last 1.5 to 2.5 seconds (Janna is the exception)
The Anti-ignite shield
Massive range of 1075
Mana cost is not even scaling on level. It's a flat 60 mana on all levels.

letsfeedtogetherJul 2, 20191 votes

קi like rhe fact you ignored i talked about her ult reset and daid its ok to nerf the w

HochelagaJul 3, 20191 votes

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קi like rhe fact you ignored i talked about her ult reset and daid its ok to nerf the w

You're talking about 3 things for Lux

Aftershock is what makes her broken The ''little nerf'' on Lux's shield which is actually a massive nerf That ultimate reset on which you emphasize and imo not a big deal

That being said, her ultimate nerf is a direct hit to her early game where she can go full defensive along with aftershock and still do tons of damage. Have you seen a mid Lux take aftershock or maxing her shield first ?

Her ultimate reset was done to help middle Lux and NOT a support Lux. Considering that players now play her more often in the bot lane, they had to tone both of her previous buffs down.

That being said, you should not see a huge difference gameplay in early game for mid Lux, but still will make her weaker compared to support Lux.

And by the way, that ultimate cooldown at full potential with 45% cdr and 25% ultimate hunter gives her 56,25% cooldown, which lowers her ultimate down to 22 seconds. If you get a reset on kill, it still makes her ultimate to 11 seconds.

Now with the nerfs, it will go 17,5 seconds at level 16.

letsfeedtogetherJul 3, 20191 votes

and again. all you do is igore some of the thing i said proof - "The ''little nerf'' on Lux's shield which is actually a massive nerf"

when i said - "yes. maybe nerf her w a little bit"

"That ultimate reset on which you emphasize and imo not a big deal"

it is a big deal and does not only hit her early. i know you do not play lux and thats why you dont know that. just just go to the post and see the points people gave

HochelagaJul 4, 20191 votes

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and again. all you do is igore some of the thing i said proof - "The ''little nerf'' on Lux's shield which is actually a massive nerf"

when i said - "yes. maybe nerf her w a little bit"

"That ultimate reset on which you emphasize and imo not a big deal"

it is a big deal and does not only hit her early. i know you do not play lux and thats why you dont know that. just just go to the post and see the points people gave

???? I literally answered all your complains about that nerf Lux and even gave my opinion. What don't you understand?? We both disagree so it's not even worth continuing talking because we both won't change our minds.

I emphasized on your ''yes. maybe nerf her w a little bit'' Which the biggest nerf lux will have. This nerf is beyond massive and you think it's a ''yes. maybe nerf her w a LITTLE BIT''

I answered why I think that her reset ultimate is not a big deal. She's getting lower cooldown on her ultimate in compensation and I even showed the numbers.

I play Lux more than you can imagine and you're not here to judge what I play or don't. If I wanted to be cocky, I could say that I've played over 3000 ranked games in diamond +.

Toxic TeetoJul 2, 20192 votes

I have been a salty Lux hater since season 2 and I love the nerfs. Fuck Lux. AND aftershock.

LordGeovanniJul 1, 20191 votes

yo stupid designers put the passive damage back on the ult. Watch bricky's unbench the Kench. thats now impossible.

DGOTJul 8, 20191 votes

Lux is broken ahri is broken lissandra is broken kennen is broken teemo is eh eve is broken vlad is broken MAGES ARE BROKEN THEIR ITEMS ARE TOO GOOD AND THERE IS TOO LITTLE MR IN THE GAME

The IcebornSep 26, 20191 votes

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