kayle is too strong

Brujahbr·Apr 28, 2016·13 votes·4,262 views

legit broken champ, you can't have a laning phase because her ranged aoe extreme sustained damage that lowers ur defenses is on like a 7 second cooldown which means it has a 3~ second downtime. you can't escape her because she can speed herself up and slow you down, and she can easily dive you and cannot be dived 6+

i think she's just too strong in low elo games, because people are idiots and don't know how to use silences on her correctly but overall kayle is pretty overloaded so please look at her more lol

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BídoofApr 28, 20166 votes

I love how everyone is downvoting this for no reasons

If you look at Plat+, she is the SECOND highest winrate top laner and the THIRD highest win rate mid laner. As well as having the 12th highest win rate in jungle (over 50%)

if that doesnt say she is too strong, what sdoes

BrujahbrApr 28, 20161 votes

idiots ;)

Vicarious117Apr 28, 20163 votes

Fact, her windows of weakness are insanely small, especially considering how stupidly strong her windows of power are.....

It's just that her laning phase is so freakin easy in most popular match ups and then she scales into a god damn monster whether she gets fed or fucking not. That's a problem, no ifs, ands, or buts about it.

SunnyAfterMathOct 5, 20171 votes

This is still happening at it sucks

WinBoatApr 28, 20161 votes

Kayle goes off on everyone after she gets Nashor's and rageblade. She basically wins the game for your team.

We were losing like by 12k or something gold and I playing as Jax just got rageblade cause I wanted to get Maw second due to their mages. The enemy team tried to win the game at the nexus turrets but overstayed as Kayle respawned and somehow got a triple kill tho she was so negative in terms of KDA. At this point I was just clearing camps wanting the other team to win cause we were down so much but seeing that Kayle got a triple, we went to the baron and got baron, then Kayle got a quadra cause I did a 4 man stun... lol, and I just started going ham with Jax. The other team is so screwed if you pick both Jax and Kayle.

Captain ArcherApr 28, 20161 votes

apparently you didn't see the game last night where a Kayle on our team fed Heimerdinger like 15 times before I could get level 6.

A little PeepoApr 28, 20161 votes

Kayle is a strong pick but far beyond broken. Kayle tends to struggle against champs that can sustain her damage like swain or Vladimir. Also burst champs can exchange extremely well against her.

Kayle may be on the strong side but once the new updates for mages come in she will fall out of flavor. Like I said burst and sustain will counter her hard in lane and once her ult is down you can pretty much all in her, once she grabs a hurricane then that's a different story because she will crit so it will be like fighting an adc. Kindred is hella stupid compared to kayle, just saying.

Also kayle doesn't really max heal so her sustain is pretty mediocre if anything and only great if she builds a lot of ap and has it maxed. She does hold a lot of utility but she is sustained damage and burst pokes will make her lose trades really bad, especially early game.

P.S not trying to defend kayle, just giving you some pointers on how to deal with her, especially at lower elo. She has strengths but her early game is pretty meh since she is all about late game.

BídoofApr 28, 20161 votes

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Kayle is a strong pick but far beyond broken. Kayle tends to struggle against champs that can sustain her damage like swain or Vladimir. Also burst champs can exchange extremely well against her.

Kayle may be on the strong side but once the new updates for mages come in she will fall out of flavor. Like I said burst and sustain will counter her hard in lane and once her ult is down you can pretty much all in her, once she grabs a hurricane then that's a different story because she will crit so it will be like fighting an adc. Kindred is hella stupid compared to kayle, just saying.

Also kayle doesn't really max heal so her sustain is pretty mediocre if anything and only great if she builds a lot of ap and has it maxed. She does hold a lot of utility but she is sustained damage and burst pokes will make her lose trades really bad, especially early game.

P.S not trying to defend kayle, just giving you some pointers on how to deal with her, especially at lower elo. She has strengths but her early game is pretty meh since she is all about late game.

She now has #1 highest WR top and #2 highest WR mid

Similarly to ekko last patch

A little PeepoApr 28, 20161 votes

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She now has #1 highest WR top and #2 highest WR mid

Similarly to ekko last patch

Win rates have barely anything to do with a champion being OP or not. Ekko technically had insane base stats that he could build tank and still 1 shot you, kayle can't do that. Ekko also had a pretty dominant laning phase, kayle doesn't unless you are melee.

Kayle has such a high win rate top because she is ranged and we all know how toxic range is at top lane, especially against melee champs. And as for mid, she has decent wave clear and good survivability so she technically will counter zed in the mid lane, and if zed is being picked mid a lot then it's no wonder why her win rate is high.

Over all she is a strong pick but far from being op. Her laning phase isn't obnoxious and she will struggle against fast wave clears and sustained damage. She is a hyper carry, she scales extremely well into late game like an adc. I do agree that she could use a nerf to her MS boost on her heal or a base reduction on her Q. But you also have to understand that rage blade is too strong this patch so it's no wonder she is doing extremely well with such an OP item, remove rage blade from game and I guarantee you kayle will go down by a lot. This season has gotten many balanced champions nerfed because of items (devourer, rageblade)

SithesisLordApr 28, 20161 votes

legit broken champ

Must be why they reverted her armor shred nerf, are currently nerfing Taric and changed Guinsoo's build path.

you can't have a laning phase because her ranged aoe extreme sustained damage that lowers ur defenses

Riven. Irelia. Pretty much anyone who can outsustain her DPS or abuse her non-existant early game counters her.

you can't escape her because she can speed herself up and slow you down, and she can easily dive you and cannot be dived 6+

Yeah, she's gonna burn her Flash, her ult and 4/5 of her mana pool trying that dive. And failing miserably. She's not Tryndamere. She doesn´t have gap closers.

i think she's just too strong in low elo games, because people are idiots and don't know how to use silences on her correctly

Because Kayle's primary source of damage are her abilities and not her AAs. /s

overall kayle is pretty overloaded so please look at her more lol

The thing is, Kayle abuses Guinsoo's. The problem is Guinsoo's not Kayle. And In fact, it won´t even be a problem once 6.9 hits live.

She's not broken. People simply don´t know how to abuse her crystal clear weaknesses.

BrujahbrApr 28, 20161 votes

Her silence is to stop her E. You keep trying to smartass everything acting like mana is actually an issue with a good kayle and that a riven or irelia could out sustain her lol. Guinsoos takes 8 attacks, it's kayles kit in general because it's like a mage and an adc all at once.

SithesisLordApr 29, 20161 votes

silence is to stop her E

Her E is still active even when silenced. I´ve been against enough Garen's to notice.

acting like mana is actually an issue with a good kayle

Mana IS an issue. Even with a good Kayle. Because as it turns out, she doesn´t build Essence Reaver. Or any mana item. And doesn´t keep Doran's Ring around.

riven or irelia could out sustain her lol

Riven can abuse Kayle's complete lack of an early game and can snowball harder. Because Kayle is a champ that relies heavily on splitpushing. While Kayle uses TP to go back to lane, a Riven uses TP to get a double kill down bot lane.

Irelia is an overall difficult matchup for Kayle despite champion.gg saying otherwise. Kayle's winrate being higher is due to our lovely splitpushing meta.

4 attacks. You really think a good Kayle will stack Guinsoo's in ranged mode?

Kayle's kit is fine. Her base damages are near non-existant. And her ratios are decent to the point she actually needs 3 whole items to reach a noticeable powerspike.

Also this: http://www.lolking.net/summoner/br/15603633#ranked-stats

Stay mad.

FioraWillCarryApr 28, 20161 votes

Oh God no!

Kayle is the only champ I can play that gives some semblance of hope of carrying Bronze games consistently. I hope no one pays attention to this and leave her alone. She's no more broken than Yi, Jax, Xin but holds the distinction of being almost entirely ignored by bans and picks so you're almost always guaranteed to get her.