Why does Kass go through 3 MR items like a knife through butter without pen

Hahahahyena··1 votes·612 views

its prob cause i was eve but why

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CerealBoxOfDoom3 votes

which MR items was it

Hahahahyena2 votes

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which MR items was it

item 3001 item 3190 item 1057

Doctor Jarvis1 votes

That 135 MR. + Evelynn's...lets call it level 15 base MR (49) adds up to 184. 184/284=65% reduction. What items did Kassadin have (his masteries are probably relevant too, if you can get them)

RcGjWO640w1 votes

That's 120 MR, plus your base, which is probably around 35-40, so let's assume 160? That's 61.538% DR against AP. Locket has a decent portion of health, but unless you have the health to back up that much MR, then you really weren't building into anything useful. If your other items were a RoA and a Rylais, I could see you being extremely tanky vs Kass, but since you were playing Eve, I don't think you were.

Kass probably just had enough AP to invalidate your MR. Can't know for sure without a full build from both of you, though.

VoidStaresBack1 votes

Eve had a rylai's, in this case, but no ROA.

Kass was sitting on ROA, Deathcap, Lichbane, Protobelt, and Abyssal, which is a huge amount of AP in addition to the MR shredding aura of abyssal (which will pretty much always be up on Kassadin's targets).

@NatalieTheWolf: In this case, it's probably just because Kassadin is, well, Kassadin, and for all your defensive items Eve isn't that inherently tanky. Also because the Kassadin seems to have gotten fed in lane and then roamed to kill your other laners, so he was probably at full build before you had all your defensive items from the end of the game in place.

RcGjWO640w1 votes

Yeah, with that build, Kass will just chew through anyone in no time save for like a Galio or Cho'gath, and even those two won't last too much longer under his duress.

Eve vs Kass isn't a good matchup for you anyways since his passive means he takes less magic damage. Combine that with his good AP scalings against Eve's squishiness and it's not hard to see how quickly he can just delete her.

CerealBoxOfDoom3 votes

well this was easy

He didn't have to penetrate much magic resist. You say you were playing eve and you had these items.. but if you have no hp for your items to defend then he doesn't have to do much, it scales multiplicatively.

item 3001 60 MR 0 hp 2750g item 3190 20 mr 400 hp 2500g item 1057 40 mr 0 hp 720g

HP*(1+MR/100) = effective hp against magic damage

keep in mind that most mages run something like.. what was it 10 magic penetration, 11 maybe? That's from runes then more from masteries. Lets say its 15 then there's another 15 from penetration boots so that comes out to about 30 MR penetration so their natural build path is going to partly counter your purchases up to a point as well. But then midlaners also tend to level fast and snowball.. but back to the math.

with this build you add a total of 400*(1+120/100) = 880 effective hp for a total of 5970g

880 effective hp for 5970g is really low. You can can get a item 3065 + item 1028 for 3200g and have 1007.5 effective hp against magic

item 3001 item 3083 would have been 1280 effective hp for 2750 + 2850 = 5600g

Building item 3190 was a mistake basically if kass was shredding you.. why would even get locket anyways?

RcGjWO640w1 votes

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HP*(1+MR/100) = effective hp against magic damage

Not to be a stickler for details, but the calculation for DR is actually: [Resistance (Armor/MR)] / ([Resistance]+100)

So MR of 120 is: 120 / (120+100) = 0.5454

So EHP is: *(1+[DR])HP

I'm pretty you know actually know this already, just that you miswrote the formula. ;P

CerealBoxOfDoom1 votes

Damage resistance = resistance factor / (resistance factor + 100)

at 200 armor you get 200 / (200+100) = 200/300 = 2/3 or 2/3rds of damage being resisted which is correct

Damage modifier = 100/(100+resistance factor)

at 200 armor you get 100/(100+200) = 100/300 = 1/3 or the damage is modified by 1/3rd or multiplied by 1/3 which is also correct

DR = 1-DM DM = 1 + DR

So EHP is: (1+[DR])*HP

So EHP is ( DM )* HP

Its just another method of calculation or rather the logic derives from another method

RcGjWO640w1 votes

I know. I figured it was just a typo, I just didn't want other people to read the comment and not have that correction. You're gucci, brosky.

Dynikus1 votes

the kassadin that was 21/1/8 with magic pen from item 3001?

Hahahahyena1 votes

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the kassadin that was 21/1/8 with magic pen from item 3001?

that only gets rid of 25 mr, it has no real pen

Astôlfo2 votes

21/1/8

Let's not forget that. It doesn't matter if you have some MR if he has so much AP he still melts you anyways.

Urgot x BDSM1 votes

Because Eve is not a tank. If you build her as one, you just waste gold

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