I honestly love how versatile Mordekaiser is at the moment

Malicious Metal··46 votes·2,991 views

His rework did bring a lot of problems with it initially but as things currently stand he's in a really solid spot. Not to mention his rework having made a lot of builds viable on him.

Want to go the balls to the walls Ap build? Max W and get that juicy item 3089

Want to feel like an unkillable heap of metal madness? Get a Rylais into full tank and laugh at your enemies trying to slay you

Trying to go for the Juggernaut build? Max E and get my approved core build item 3116 item 3053 item 3146 item 3065 item 3742

Up for some juicy Sheen procs? Get item 3078 and item 3053 and be the champion with the highest sheen procs: 365 standard procs and a whole 438 f*cking damage when Steraks triggers

I sure hope that this will be retained in his future VGU 'cause the current Mordekaiser offers a ton of different builds, skill orders, playstyles and positions to be played in. Like, you can take him top, mid, jungle and bot and still do well, you can go damage, tank or a delightfully painful mix of both to fit any situation-

Just wanted to point that out^^

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Mistress Madoka37 votes

Maybe they can address the Issue where he has the lowest base armour despite being Literally a suit of armor

Selegun2 votes

Is it that bad that you dont want to build armor? Some of his best items have armor in them.

Mistress Madoka12 votes

Oh, no I'm not saying I won't build Armor. A dead Man's Plate is always Nice. I was more Re-iterating one of those "Riot Logic" jokes.

Sorta Like How Anivia Flies faster with Boots.

Or how Nami can heal Brand with Water, but Annie can Kill him with Fire.

Or Cassiopeia turning Malphite to stone

Selegun2 votes

Fair enough. I've been looking at it as he was at his weakest when he first awakens. Sort of a shake the rust off period till he can scale into lategame. Only downside seems to be getting a team together that is willing to play longer than 15-20 minutes.

Frius1 votes

thats like LeeSin having 2 skills to see invisible and visible champs

Apocyliptic5 votes

That's one of my favorite parts about Mordekaiser, is that you can build pretty much anything and it won't be considered a trashy item. Since no one plays against him, you can usually carry really hard to, and my favorite item to get when I'm snowballing is that REALLY juicy nashors. I'll donk you so hard and so fast your healthbar won't keep up.

Backup4now4 votes

*Viable versatility scales down with ELO.

Ashe Jungle4 votes

Ashe I can do well in 5 roles. ggwp

Best Valor NA1 votes

stop pls

Ashe Jungle1 votes

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stop pls

Someone is jealous because they can't support.

TequilaZombie2 votes

Kennen I can do it all too. Why nobody ever remembers me?

Ashe Jungle1 votes

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Kennen I can do it all too. Why nobody ever remembers me?

The injustice!

Best Valor NA1 votes

tryin to say Quinn can't support? 1v1 support me m8

Ashe Jungle1 votes

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tryin to say Quinn can't support? 1v1 support me m8

Git redy 2 git rekt m8

Aside, how does a true 1v1 support work? I feel like it would need to be a contest with judges.


Also aside, I believe you that Quinn can support: blind, small cc with vault, vision, and excellent roam. However, I'd guess she's much more reliant on pulling off ult roams and snowballing than Ashe.

Probably a bit safer in lane though.

Best Valor NA1 votes

Idk how that would work.

And I have gone Quinn support several times, it 'worked' but I wouldn't do it in ranked, just with friends :b.

Ashe Jungle1 votes

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Idk how that would work.

And I have gone Quinn support several times, it 'worked' but I wouldn't do it in ranked, just with friends :b.

I've done Ashe supp in ranked, but that's what this account is for (ashe jg primary / rotate through the others secondary). Starting coin and running grasp for the sustain is MUCH stronger than things I tried before that.

maikokk1 votes

holy shit why didnt i think of ashe jungle when her q was buffed to have no cooldown

Ashe Jungle1 votes

Yep. You need to run attack speed reds and quits and start krugs to make it work but it works pretty well. My favorite path is Krug-red-scuttle-gank-blue.

Best generic full build is bloodrazor / greaves / cleaver / deaths dance / visage / randuins.

Build path is odd; rush red smite into Warhammer into greaves into cleaver. Then finish in whatever situational order makes sense.

There's tons of situational item options but I'm on mobile so won't elaborate rn.

Ashe Jungle1 votes

Hardest part is kiting red buff. If you do it right you take almost no damage (pass it while stunned). If you do it wrong you'll burn through 70% of your hp.

SeductiveGrandpa4 votes

MALICIOUS NO, IF YOU MAKE A POST SAYING YOU'RE HAPPY ABOUT MORDE'S CURRENT STATE HES GONNA GET NERFED ITS THE BOARDS CURSE!

Slamurai Jack2 votes

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Like, you can take him top, mid, jungle and bot and still do well, you can go damage, tank or a delightfully painful mix of both to fit any situation-

Wtf? You've been shitting on bot lane Morde from the moment it came out. Are you actually telling me it's not terrible?

Malicious Metal5 votes

You don't get the f*cking point, do you?

TotalJerk1 votes

I really don't believe the decision to make Morde a bot laner was bad. The problem was that they flagrantly did it at the expense of every other role he had.

Slamurai Jack3 votes

I can't help but feel this was unavoidable. Every time an adc starts to see good success outside of bot lane, it's a problem. Either the adc is forced back into bot lane or leaves bot lane and migrates to another lane. Hell, current Morde is probably the best we've ever had of a bot laner also being balanced in other roles. Unfortunately, nearly every Morde player has abandoned him bot lane similar to how most Graves players have. Both champs are still perfectly fine down there, but people prefer to play them in solo lanes if they're able to do so.

What Is Smite2 votes

Here's my build for Jungle Kaiser: item 1402 item 3020 item 3116 item 3742 item 3001 and then finish off with an item of your choice my personal favorite is item 3135

Tychusfindlay9192 votes

I would love to see more mordekaisers.

Darius vs Mordekaiser makes for a fun new matchup. Just played the matchup for the first time today and got my dunkaroo on.

TotalJerk2 votes

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I sure hope that this will be retained in his future VGU 'cause the current Mordekaiser offers a ton of different builds, skill orders, playstyles and positions to be played in.

Sadly I'm almost certain it wont. Every time Riot has reworked something that niche alternative build paths they ended up killing one side entirely. AP Corki, Tristana, Ezreal, and Kog'maw are all dead. Poppy and Sion used to be able to build some AP items. Nowadays Sion builds Doran's Ring into certain matchups at the most.

Battlecast Sona1 votes

to be fair, it's not like Morde's BUILD is dramatically different in any of these roles - it's not a function of the items you make but a function of the character himself that allows him to jungle, for example. I think Riot either needs to retain this flexibility (and really, I think with dragon ghost Morde always made more sense as a jungler anyway) or focus him into one role, but I'd really prefer that they keep the flexibility that he's exhibited. I think I'd be okay if they took out bot lane Morde to solidify his sololane/jungle presence, since the botlane Morde didn't really work out for them.

(Just as a note - most of the characters you listed utilized AP builds as a result of being from a time where basically every champion had AP scaling. It wasn't really an intended or even particularly healthy part of their kit, but I'm not surprised that when they got refocused that was taken away from them. Stuff like AP Kog and to an extent AP Trist were pretty lame. And AP Ezreal is still one of the highest damage lategame builds you can achieve with him, so I don't really know what you're talking about with AP Ezreal being "dead"...)

Rito Staff1 votes

VGU?

Malicious Metal7 votes

Visual and Gameplay Update

Rito Staff1 votes

k i wanted to confirm that. Another gameplay update? Like Ryze he'll be updated again? He'll be ryzed lol

BastionKross1 votes

The last update he got from CertainlyT was all but confirmed to be a failure by Riot, and he's on the list to be updated next year.

Personally I feel they should have just re-done him right when they learned it wasn't working out instead of leaving him in this state until next year.

Cheekynorth1 votes

Can't forget full AD Morde

maikokk1 votes

yes you can cos its bad. in fact, going full AD on any melee champ that isnt zed or talon is just asking to be blown up.

Cheekynorth1 votes

Excuse me but for a little joke in normals you can. It definitely works when you hit two minions or jungle camps with your Q then blow up the enemy. Kshaway made a video of full AD Mordekaiser and he did fine

BastionKross1 votes

That Kshaway vid came out before his Q damage calculation was changed. Instead of the 3rd hit being where most of the damage is at in the vid, it's now more distributed between 2nd and 3rd hits. More sustained damage, less "Haha, I flashed and killed you with a single bonk".

Cremepie1 votes

What do you build for morde Jg? What runes do you take?

Battlecast Sona2 votes

runes: whatever you want build: whatever you want steps: max W, heal all day (it heals off monsters like champions instead of like minions and jungle camps can't run away)

Fikule1 votes

idd. Morde heals more than WW in the jungle. Free health for days but with no mana issues.

Malicious Metal3 votes

I actually build a rather weird, yet strangely optimized build. I rush rylais, not even bothering upgrading my jungle item before my second item. Something along these lines item 3116 item 3053 item 1401 item 3078 and the last item's situational

I max E after getting two points in W, the level 2 heal spike being enough to get you through the jungle without a single health pot. Starting with Q->w->w->E and a hunters talisman

Runes are MS quints, MPen reds, ap/level glyphs, 4 armor seals and the rest hp/level

Only Play Darius1 votes

Is item 3124 any good on him? I imagine it would let him get his 3rd Q on the second hit.

Malicious Metal2 votes

It won't. It's probably a bug.

TotalJerk1 votes

I believe they said it's by design.

GULAG 4 U1 votes

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Is item 3124 any good on him? I imagine it would let him get his 3rd Q on the second hit.

You would need to be able to stack the attack speed which first requires at least another source of attack speed. So you would need to go the item 3116 item 3124 item 3115 item 3742 item 3065 or you would never survive to use the rageblade bonuses.

Bladerunner77771 votes

I like Morde's concept arts and fanarts but his model is lame in comparison

I can't play a champion if they don't look cool in game heehheehxdd

Fikule1 votes

King of Clubs man. The cloak!

Bladerunner77771 votes

Dynaguy, aw the cape and the boots!

BastionKross1 votes

Where you see "versatile" I see "confused". Not that it's bad to have alternate builds, but there's a fine line between champions who are good with many different items like Jax and Kayle and champions who demand a lot of things just to function like old Sion.

Morde likes quite a mix of things. He scales so well with AP and AD, he's melee and short ranged so he'd love tanky stats, he can make use of attack speed but not so much crit, and he loves some sort of slow from his items. He's also one slow bastard, even compared to other juggernauts. So movement speed is key. That's quite a bit to ask for, especially when so many champions are only required to build half of those things or less to be competitive. Even if you go only AP or AD Morde, you still need some defensive stats and also pen items to make up for losing the mixed damage of a hybrid build.

Compare him to Jax, who likes all those things Morde does. On the other hand, Jax gets free attack speed, tank stats, damage mitigation, and mixed damage from his kit. Jax can also be quite mobile if he wants to be and has hard cc, making movement speed and slows from items less important. He can still build those things if he wants, but it's not a big deal if he skimps on some things.

Morde does get a shield built into his kit, but it scales with defensive stats; the very stats the shield should mitigate you skimping on. The rest of Morde's kit is damage, damage, and then damage. Anything Morde lacks (just about everything else), you have to make up with items.

I would propose some changes to Morde so that he stops being a Master of None:

  1. Remove the W passive. Next to no one is taking Morde bot anymore, and it's a balance nightmare. This frees up some power to give back to the rest of his kit.

  2. Base stat buffs. Morde had his base stats nuked because he was tearing through bot lane like a starving hyena at a buffet. Since Morde isn't in bot lane anymore and his W passive can be removed to stop him from going back there, there's no harm in giving him back some defensive stats. If we remove the insignificant speed buff from W, his base MS could be safely increased to sane levels.

  3. Attack speed. When Q is activated it increases Morde's attack speed a set amount, then wears off when Q does similar to Taric's passive.

  4. Mixed damage. Q and E now do 50% magic and physical damage, like Corki. This way, no matter if Morde builds AD, AP, or both he'll almost never need pen items.

  5. Resists. W now gives resists to both Morde and the other target like it used to before the juggernaut changes, and they go away when the W ends or Morde pops it early. This allows Morde to focus more on building mostly HP like other juggernauts than HP and resists both. Alternatively, it can give some damage reduction instead.

With some of these changes, or all of them, Morde's kit remains versatile but also allows Morde some wiggle room with what items he needs to build. Didn't get a trinity force? Don't worry, your Q will still be quick to get to hit three. Built a lot of HP for your shield? You have resists in your kit, but use them wisely. Want to build full AD or AP? You'll still be doing mixed damage. And hey, now you might actually be able to catch someone without a rylais! Sometimes. Maybe.

Lugg1 votes

He does have versatile build paths, but he is a prime example of a jack of all trades. He isn't great at anything and is abused hard by most matchups until he gets late game. He needs another rework badly.

Fikule1 votes

I don't know. I like him as is. He's one of the few champions who wards the river bush so he knows when to run in and bait a double kill.

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