@Shaco mains: Let's try and make the best of a bad situation

L Psy Kongroo··3 votes·1,783 views

Alright, so we all know Shaco's traditional AD build was nerfed fairly hard with the recent changes. All I've seen/heard from other Shaco players (and some non-Shaco players) is that Shaco is now gutted trash. And while I'm not one to jump to reckless conclusions on the first day, I do admit that he feels a hell of a lot weaker now, especially early game where he previously shined. Riot apparently wanted to cut down on his very powerful early game advantage, and in doing so they've forced Shaco players to live up to the reality: Shaco as we know him is dead.

So what can we do about this? Aside from crying on the forums I mean (because we've already done that, and Riot probably gets it by now). I think we should take this opportunity to adapt to Shaco's new style, which I believe is just as strong in the right hands as old Shaco was. This power shift away form the early game could be an opportunity for more exotic Shaco builds and strategies to come to the fore, and I'd like to gather the opinions of other Shaco mains on what you've found to be most effective, whether it be in item builds, jungle clearing, ganking, whatever.

Some things I've noticed while playing the new Shaco:

First/early clear Remains relatively unchanged in terms of speed. In fact I'd go so far as to say that, if you're running the right runes/masteries, it's a bit faster now. What I've been doing is starting on blue buff, placing 3 boxes there, and a 4th box near gromp. Because gromp (and krugs) now spawn 15 seconds later than buff camps, the best course of action now is to start on a buff, smite it, and haul ass over to the other camp before your box dies.

Where ever you start, red or blue, 15 seconds is plenty of time to finish the buff. The small camp will take more time now, yes, but overall I'd say it's a healthier, safer clear. Gromp takes about 3 hits to kill a box now, as opposed to 2 hits before. Krugs take a lot more time, but give more gold overall and the small splits do relatively minimal damage. I usually focus the small krug first while the box tanks the large one, which leaves me with around 95% HP afterwards; very similar to pre-6.22 Shaco's clear.

One thing of note now is that it's basically impossible to clear the chicken camp now before your completed jungle item or similar powerspike. They simply do too much damage and take far too long, even with a box to tank. It's best just to ignore the camp completely and focus on other camps. Murkwolves are still easy to take, and if I start red buff, I always go red > krugs > wolves > blue > gromp/scuttle depending.

This clear takes approximately 3 minutes, assuming you make good use of Backstab. Old Shaco could get away with a 2:45 clear at times, but 10-15 seconds doesn't really make much difference considering other junglers will be struggling a lot more than Shaco, who still has boxes to tank for him.

Runes/Masteries The way I see it, cooldown reduction has become a very VERY important stat for Shaco now. Q now grants a 2.5 second reduction after a successful attack, effectively making the base cooldown increase meaningless. However, once you start to rack up CDR, the power of that cooldown refund becomes apparent. Mid-late game, your Q is basically on a 5 second cooldown, stealths you for 4.5 seconds, and does respectable damage.

Because of this focus on the mid-game, I now take scaling CDR blues for 15% CDR at level 18. When combined with CDR from items such as Lich Bane, Black Cleaver, etc. you hit that CDR cap very easily. Otherwise, runes are basically unchanged for me, though I'm still experimenting. I'd say it's still worth taking some AD reds and attack speed quints if you're going AP Shaco, because early game your auto attacks are still going to be your main form of clearing. WIth Shaco's early game being weaker, he needs the extra AD/attack speed to survive in the jungle so he can transition better into mid-game.

With runes, I run a standard 12/18 page as before, but I now take Sorcery over Fury, Fresh Blood over Feast, and Double-Edged Sword from the Ferocity tree. Combined with Assassin and Merciless from the Cunning tree, you're looking at around 15% extra damage to all targets (less if they're above 40% HP, but still quite a lot of free damage).

I've also been loving the new Greenfather's Gift mastery. While Dangerous Game has saved my ass many times before, the bonus damage from moving in and out of brush makes clearing even easier, since it's based off the target's current HP. A good strategy now when you're taking your buff camps is to walk in and out of the brush between auto attacks to constantly reapply the extra % damage. The buff lasts a while too, so when ganking you can often add a bit of extra burst if you run from a brush into lane.

Ability Leveling This one will be short and sweet: basically, max Q now if you're planning on ganking, otherwise max E. Shaco is no longer about constant ganks/invades, and a slightly higher emphasis on farming is required to reach his new powerspike. While a high-ganking style is still possible, remember that your have to be more conservative with your Q. Sometimes it might be worthwhile to save it completely and just walk into lane like any other jungler.

Obviously this varies greatly depending on the situation, but it essentially comes down to how often you want to gank or invade. Because E's % damage scales with Shaco's level rather than points in the ability, maxing E second isn't too bad because of its amazing scalings with AD and AP.

Item Builds While this area is still under heavy experimentation, I've been having a lot of success with the following build: item 1402 item 3146 item 3100 item 3117 . This is your core now. After this it's situational, but this build offers a ton of burst on both Q and E while providing a huge amount of movement speed.

This extra MS is crucial now that Shaco's stealth doesn't last as long early, but it also helps late-game when you're trying to run away. At max rank, your stealth lasts for 4.5 seconds; Mobi Boots kick in after 5 seconds of not taking damage. Therefore, even if you Q while under assault from multiple enemies, as long as you're not destealthed, Mobi Boots will allow you to run to safety even after your stealth is over. Not only that, but early Mobi Boots let you gank much easier even with a low duration stealth due to the massive extra movespeed helping you get in position.

I have yet to try a regular AD Shaco build, so anyone experimenting with that should feel free to post results here!

Conclusions While I do believe Shaco was nerfed overall, I'm also finding that I don't hate the rework as much as I thought I would. At the end of the day, I still love playing the clown, and I will be with him through thick and thin. Motion, of necessity, involves a change in perspective. What may seem like a step backwards might just be the catalyst to a massive leap forwards. Here's hoping that these Shaco changes are the gateway to bigger and better things.

11 Comments

Restless Slumber1 votes

Damn, was I actually right in thinking that he was going to become an AP champ? My only problem with his new changes was the fact that they still have him doing crits and bonus physical damage off of q and passive right? Or is Q bonus magic damage because it scales off of AP?

Bardful1 votes

I think q does ad which is great because if you go ap shaco you do mixed damage now. Also ap jungle is more viable with shaco's faster clears.

Bardful1 votes

Playing a game with him now and I will be using tiamat for clear before going similar to your build tell you how it does.

Bardful1 votes

also planning point on w then two on q then max e.

Bardful1 votes

I got an S- it was great. I went item 3077 item 3117 item 1410 item 3146 item 3110 and got first blood from having two points on q at level 3. I had a discussion with someone about leveling up abilities and realized e isn't required for clear anymore. Also, if you put two points on q early, you will still max e at the same time. Overall was fun and felt great this was a build I tried before the rework except with item 3152 and it went great as well. If I were to continue building I would of went item 3748 for the tankiness and item 3001 because I had a victor and karthus on our team along with a tahm kench support so it would of been more situational. They had some ap but it was more ad so item 3110 was ideal along with it's cdr.

Bardful1 votes

Kind of feel item 3074 item 3117 item 1408 item 3146 item 3147 and item 3742 could be the new meta for shaco though

L Psy Kongroo1 votes

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Kind of feel item 3074 item 3117 item 1408 item 3146 item 3147 and item 3742 could be the new meta for shaco though

I actually used to run a similar build on old Shaco, where I would go item 1400 item 3025 item 3147 item 3742 item 3087 and just load all my burst into a single Q. It was quite fun to see squishies blow up instantly with just a Q+E. I could definitely see Gunblade being incorporated in there somehow, maybe swapping out the Warrior upgrade for Runic Echoes.

Bardful1 votes

I think runic is good but as you said cdr is also important so either is fine. This build here has no other cdr and so I felt the ten percent was good. I always have a hard time deciding smites for shaco because I feel the only reason you want chilling is for the damage, shaco's w is a ward anyways and unless you build him as a bruiser skirmisher's is more for tankiness than damage. I go with wards because I use the w a lot while ganking and it has a long cooldown and I feel vision control from it is useful. Why do you choose chilling?

L Psy Kongroo1 votes

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I think runic is good but as you said cdr is also important so either is fine. This build here has no other cdr and so I felt the ten percent was good. I always have a hard time deciding smites for shaco because I feel the only reason you want chilling is for the damage, shaco's w is a ward anyways and unless you build him as a bruiser skirmisher's is more for tankiness than damage. I go with wards because I use the w a lot while ganking and it has a long cooldown and I feel vision control from it is useful. Why do you choose chilling?

Mostly because it adds more burst, if only slightly. In the past, with old Shaco, I would almost never upgrade the jungle item beyond Machete because the powerspike from Tiamat/Hydra was too good to pass up (and it also gave Shaco some much-needed AOE clear). With new Shaco, since his early game upfront burst got reduced, the extra pop from Chilling Smite comes in very handy for securing and/or chasing down enemies. Of course since Runic Echoes (or Warrior, based on preference) is the rush item now, Chilling Smite becomes the go-to, with Tracker's as a backup if you're doing a lot of invading. Skirmishers is purely for AD DPS Shaco, which I'm not playing currently.

Bardful1 votes

I still really like tiamat on shaco even if four of the jungle camps don't have creeps because the ones that do are the difficult ones. You are probably right though I will have to try without taimat when I get the chance.

Bardful1 votes

maxing e second I see as good too. If you are far behind early I also see putting more points on w and being more of a disruptor because you can't burst anyone so e would be more for the slow and build ap, tankiness and cdr.

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