What if Cloud Drake gave Tenacity instead of lower Ult CDR?

BLIGHTBRINGER·Nov 21, 2019·3 votes·1,234 views

##Cloud Drake Buff Change

BUFF: ~~Ultimate Cooldown Reduced~~ > Bonus Tenacity

##Cloud Drake Soul Change

BUFF: ~~Bonus Movement Speed when casting an Ultimate Ability~~ > Bonus Movement Speed when becoming affected by CC or Tenacity Cap removed when CC'd.

With so much CC in the game, I doubt it would be seen as the useless Drake that it was in the past or still is now I guess.

This Drake buff would solve the problem aspect of being CC chained to death.

Additionally I think the game suffers way too much from CDR Abuse lately, not to mention how easily each class can rush it now and having a Dragon lower an Abilities Cooldown, an Ultimate Abilities Cooldown nonetheless is quite a problematic choice overall.

##Thoughts?

8 Comments

ShahamutNov 21, 20192 votes

I like the idea of Cloud drake representing "freedom of movement", so move speed buffs, tenacity, or slow resist all sound like better ideas to me since we already have ultimate hunter rune...

On My Kill ListNov 21, 20191 votes

completely useless. you know majority of cc thats been released in modern league are either displacements or knockups which bypass tenacity completely. and the few regular cc's we've received are on so short cooldowns and usually followed up with some other cancerous mechanic that tenacity really doesn't do much against them. like think about zoes bubble even with tenacity she still has more then enough time to land her q ult auto. tenacity really isn't going to do much against her. maybe older champs are effected more but even then not so much. tenacity has always been kinda of a really useless stat in league. even old irelia who was the poster girl for cc resistance back in the past when knockups and displacements weren't as prolific as now wasn't strong cause of innate tenacity but the combination of strong early game + true damage + probably the single best 1v1 and i fucked up button in league's history(her classic instant 2 second stun if im losing stun) and mobility + tankiness. even back then when i saw nerfs to her tenacity passive i questioned why riot went that direction instead of just toning down her damage or sustain which were the real reasons she was so strong back then. which they did eventually address but only after nerfing down everything else inbetween. basically classic riot nerf philosophy;nerf everything but the problem and then finally nerf the problem but never undo all of the previous arbitrary nerfs. anyways bad idea.

BLIGHTBRINGERNov 21, 20192 votes

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completely useless. you know majority of cc thats been released in modern league are either displacements or knockups which bypass tenacity completely. and the few regular cc's we've received are on so short cooldowns and usually followed up with some other cancerous mechanic that tenacity really doesn't do much against them. like think about zoes bubble even with tenacity she still has more then enough time to land her q ult auto. tenacity really isn't going to do much against her. maybe older champs are effected more but even then not so much. tenacity has always been kinda of a really useless stat in league. even old irelia who was the poster girl for cc resistance back in the past when knockups and displacements weren't as prolific as now wasn't strong cause of innate tenacity but the combination of strong early game + true damage + probably the single best 1v1 and i fucked up button in league's history(her classic instant 2 second stun if im losing stun) and mobility + tankiness. even back then when i saw nerfs to her tenacity passive i questioned why riot went that direction instead of just toning down her damage or sustain which were the real reasons she was so strong back then. which they did eventually address but only after nerfing down everything else inbetween. basically classic riot nerf philosophy;nerf everything but the problem and then finally nerf the problem but never undo all of the previous arbitrary nerfs. anyways bad idea.

It wouldn't be useless if Riot made Tenacity affect all CC (like it should) but alas it's Riot Games KEKW.

nm1010Nov 21, 20191 votes

Considering how bad cloud dragon is, I would like this a lot. Solves two problems, cloud being useless (or near useless) 90% of the time and tenacity being too scarce, with one change.

On My Kill ListNov 21, 20191 votes

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Considering how bad cloud dragon is, I would like this a lot. Solves two problems, cloud being useless (or near useless) 90% of the time and tenacity being too scarce, with one change.

did you just ignore my post? i just gave out reasons why tenacity would be a useless stat on cloud drake. 1.tenacity does not actually do its job most cc in league nowadays are knockups and displacements which ignore tenacity. 2.the few units who it does effect are mostly older champions and the few newer champions with classic cc types have cancerous mechanics tied into their cc making tenacity being used against them moot. 3.there is a hard cap on tenacity which gives diminishing returns making it even weaker then it already is. 4.its an invisible stat for the most part and possibly might not have any influence on games at all if any. 5.squishy champions cannot make as well use of tenacity as tankier ones so its already heavily biased towards favoring only 1 specific class and not every bruiser or ap battlemage could use it effectively either making those can even more of a headache to face while those who cannot weaker. 6.tenacity would actually make more sense on mountain drake instead of on cloud as when we think of clouds we think of mobility of speed of the rush we don't think of longetivity or perseverance or tenacity so to speak so this change would really feel out of place thematically on cloud drake. 7.cloud drake is not bad its arguably one of the strongest drakes in its current state if the stars align and you do happen to get multiples of them while having champs such as lux with already low cd ults on your team.(heck its good even on champs like karthus too) 8. BUT most importantly riot is heavily biased against tanks and longer lasting games so any changes like this would NEVER happen. Not in a million years. NOT in a trillion years. You'd have to somehow remove the entire chinese region if you want this sort of change to go through because one! the biggest region of league does NOT favor nor like these sort of changes and ONLY NA players want longer lasting games and by proxy some part of a tank meta.(yes i had to say this; its the truth and im on your side but we are NOT the majority of the playerbase)

nm1010Nov 21, 20191 votes

I read it, just thought it was bad and wrong. I don't spend the time to systematically breakdown 'why' something is bad/wrong anymore since people usually don't care. An example though,

the few units who it does effect are mostly older champions and the few newer champions with classic cc types have cancerous mechanics tied into their cc making tenacity being used against them moot.

7/10 of the last 10 releases have non-displacement cc that tenacity would help against. 2 of which have some of the longest cc durations in the game, making tenacity almost mandatory against them. Currently there are very few ways to get general tenacity, cloud dragon could be used to combat this cc creep.