Talon can't have poke but Zed can?

EpicMusic·Apr 29, 2016·4 votes·775 views

Talon has mana, not so much poke, yes if you call that rake a poke. But Zed have a strong poke, and the bs energy sht, so he can spam all day. Dont even start on that damage. Nerf zed already

23 Comments

spombjopApr 29, 20164 votes

Both are AD assassins.

Diference between AD and AP assassins

Both can delete people but AD assassins can split push and delete people Which means that AD assassins aren't balanced, expecially zed and talon, both are braindead and I play talon once a year and i always get super fed.

ChaddyFantomeApr 30, 20161 votes

AP Assassins scale harder that AD assassins and do more overall damage.

AP Assasins like Leblanc and Fizz also have high base damage, meaning they can 100-0 you with less items in lane.

They also have less damage mitigated against them since there is more armor in the game than MR. Lastly, choosing an AP assassin doesn't screw your team comp over by forcing you to get an AP Top or Jungler else you get a full AD comp and get screwed over by armor stacking.

In the current state as well, APO assassins are perfectly capable to damaging and even chunking tanks and bruisers while the flat pen on Assassin makes it to where they can't unless particularly fed.

But ok. Lets just continue this senseless tirade against AD and continue the victim complex.

spombjopMay 1, 20161 votes

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AP Assassins scale harder that AD assassins and do more overall damage.

AP Assasins like and also have high base damage, meaning they can 100-0 you with less items in lane.

They also have less damage mitigated against them since there is more armor in the game than MR. Lastly, choosing an AP assassin doesn't screw your team comp over by forcing you to get an AP Top or Jungler else you get a full AD comp and get screwed over by armor stacking.

In the current state as well, APO assassins are perfectly capable to damaging and even chunking tanks and bruisers while the flat pen on Assassin makes it to where they can't unless particularly fed.

But ok. Lets just continue this senseless tirade against AD and continue the victim complex.

Hahahha jesus christ, leblanc and fizz are fucking useless if enemy has fucking MR and fizz sucks in laning phase expecially after removal of flask. Also all AP items are so expensive now expecially zhonyas which is only counter to zed. AD assassins = OP AP assassins = balanced

ChaddyFantomeMay 2, 20161 votes

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Hahahha jesus christ, leblanc and fizz are fucking useless if enemy has fucking MR and fizz sucks in laning phase expecially after removal of flask. Also all AP items are so expensive now expecially zhonyas which is only counter to zed. AD assassins = OP AP assassins = balanced

What r u 12? Fizz doesn't even need items to 100-0 you in lane. He can do it with a Sheen.

And the AD assassin items are just as expensive as the AP items. hell, Some are even more expensive. Lichbane and Ludens are both 3200g Youmuu' is 3200 Maw of Malmortius and Dusk Blade are 3250 respectively.

Then you have Abyssal which is only 2350 ONLY 2350.

You haven't the slightest clue what you are talking about.

stealthfox94Apr 29, 20163 votes

lol what? Talon has better more reliable poke than Zed.

spombjopApr 29, 20162 votes

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lol what? Talon has better more reliable poke than Zed.

Talon has better poke than Zed? Hahahahahah. Zed can poke with W+E+Q or just Q and miss it milion times but once he will hit it, talon only with W and it costs him mana. Zed is just AD Katarina with poke that does way more dmg.

stealthfox94Apr 30, 20163 votes

You guys are both missing something very huge. Talon's range is MUCH wider and easier to land, It can also easily hit multiple targets. Zed is overrated.

ModWulf HelhammerApr 30, 20163 votes

Not to mention requires one spell, as opposed to Zed, who has to dump his entire kit, including his escape

Zero Skill TankApr 29, 20162 votes

600 range reliable poke [zombie-brand-mindblown]

EpicMusicApr 30, 20162 votes

Please, tell me how. Zed's shadow plus spin plus shuriken can get you to 100% to 60%, he doesnt even have mana, so after a couple seconds, he can do it again, unlike talon, his "poke" is sh!t

MarshbouyApr 29, 20162 votes

"if you count his rake a poke" his rake is very reliable waveclear and poke...

Zero Skill TankApr 29, 20162 votes

600 range reliable poke [zombie-brand-mindblown]

EpicMusicApr 30, 20161 votes

His rake damage is pathetic compared to that energy based shadow+shuriken combo

MarshbouyApr 30, 20161 votes

almost every single type of poke in the game pales in comparison to zeds poke. That does not mean talon needs buffs

EpicMusicApr 30, 20161 votes

im not saying he needs buffs, im saying ZED NEEDS TO GET HIT BY THE NERF BAT :)

MarshbouyApr 30, 20161 votes

the you say "zed needs less poke" not "talon needs more"

AlwaysByMySideApr 30, 20162 votes

Talon's poke is worse because his single target and AOE burst is much higher, as well as more reliable.

ModWulf HelhammerApr 29, 20161 votes

(Note: this is not taking into account the upcoming QSS changes)

The reason Talon has a weaker laning phase is because late game, he can pretty much guarentee that his target is going to die, even if he's not fed. Late game Zed doesn't have that, so he has a stronger early game to compensate.

EpicMusicApr 29, 20161 votes

Well, i'm talking note about that qss change, so.

ModWulf HelhammerApr 29, 20161 votes

And they aren't changing any champs for that yet, so you can't say anything until after the whole thing has settled down and the coming buffs or nerfs are finished

EpicMusicApr 30, 20161 votes

A pink ward can destroy him early or late game.

ModWulf HelhammerApr 30, 20161 votes

So you're telling me that someone has the time to place a pink ward and then react fast enough to not die to his combo that includes an instant blink? The stealth isn't even the strongest part of the ult, more of an added little bonus.