you know what's bs?

Considering Phantom Dancer is 109% gold efficient without counting the Ghost passive or the damage reduction, it's a bit excessive.

Let's see, let's assume a Vayne at level 18 bought this with no other health items. Just picked her because she is the one who builds this item the most so yea. So against the target she is fighting, at level 18 with a base of 1909 health, she will have an effective ~229 extra health. Note that this value cannot be amplified on by % health damage effects, so, except for true damage, against a single target it is better than health in almost every way. It reduces damage the enemy can lifesteal from you, it isn't factored into %max or %current health, nor in %missing health damage calculations from enemy spells and items. Also, it is factored in (effectively amplifying) for any extra health she may have, including through lifesteal effects. Meaning all her lifesteal is effectively 12% stronger, so we can factor that in too.

Alright so 229 extra health is worth about 610 extra gold. And since it effectively amplifies lifesteal by 12%, we factor that in too. Vayne would have a BORK of course, which gives 10% lifesteal. This applies also to the passive, but that uses the amount of lifesteal that you have so its the same there. And since ADCs will have the 2% Lifesteal mastery, theres that that too. So thats an extra ~50 gold, increased by more lifesteal that is built. It also effectively increases the amount of health stolen by the active, but its hard to calculate that since enemy max hp varies and so does their armor. But whatever you heal from that, its 12% stronger, and that is that much extra free bonus health. Not much, but its something. Anyway, we won't count the total health regen gained either but that would be 12% extra as well. Okay! So we have a minimum of 660 extra effective gold. This of course is increased by getting more health, lifesteal, any healing done by any teammates, etc.

It's also notable that this 12% damage reduction could be compared to the 15% bonus health gained by Cinderhulk. Though Cinderhulk only scales off of BONUS health, while PD interacts with all damage, meaning TOTAL HEALTH + ALL HEALING/LIFESTEAL. So vs a single target its simply BETTER IN ALL WAYS than Cinderhulks passive, which is on an item which is already gold inefficient, while PD is already gold efficient without even having this passive at all, much less the ghosting passive too.

Okay! So with a new gold efficiency value with a minimum (at level 18) of 3458, PD's gold efficiency is 135.6%. Again that scales off of many things so for example, Graves building it along with Death's Dance, this number would be SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER because Death's Dance physical vamp is a LOT stronger in lifesteal stats than BORK, sporting almost 1000 gold worth of lifestealy stats compared to about 345 from BORK. Oh and Death's Dance also is 110% gold efficient before the damage-delay passive but that's another dumb item too. But yeah having about 600-700 gold of extra stats loaded on top of an already overefficient item is just stupid. And that's not counting the ghosting passive like I said.

I just did the calculations for Yasuo at level 18 with his standard build, and NOT COUNTING HIS 500 HEALTH SHIELD (because some will argue that it goes by too quick to be broken fully or that they won't burst through it) that RESETS WHEN HIS ULT IS USED, the item STILL has about 150% gold efficiency (closer to 151%). If you count his shield + ult it goes up to 163%. Wonder why people build this item on him lmao. Oh wait! I forgot the double crit passive too. That means another 1200 free gold. That makes PD 196% gold efficient on a standard build Yasuo at level 18 (210% if you count his passive shield) before counting the ghost passive. That is 5020 gold worth of stats for a 2550 gold item. Balanced!

Rarely anyone buys it however.

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Yeah, you know... whatever. is also bs but what can we do?

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Yeah, you know... whatever. is also bs but what can we do?

They brought that on themselves when roka became meta for a while (she still kinda is). I swear to god if i see another lvl 7 soraka i'm going to throw my computer out a window, she is so braindead to play and those that main her (and janna to an extent) are literally playing to abuse the mindlessness rather than try.

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Yeah, you know... whatever. is also bs but what can we do?

What is this? A new item? (Sarcasim cause NOONE buys it ever)

HA. I see what you did there.

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so is pd gonna be the new circle jerk on the boards next to rylais and frozen mallet?

cant wait [slayer-pantheon-popcorn]

Phantom dancer has agitated the board since before mallet was complained about. Tank steroids on a crit/attack speed item is moronic. I dont care if it is for dueling, they could put another dueling-empowered passive that doesnt have to do with tank steroids.