For the love of low ranks: Find a Way to Nerf Zed

5 Dollar Holler·Sep 11, 2018·26 votes·9,845 views

Please consider nerfing Zed. People at low ranks (below Gold) don't know how to play against him. I usually use my ban on him, but the last two matches I used it on a different champion. The result? Game 1: enemy Zed went 32-7. Game 2: enemy Zed went 15-0.

I typically play bot lane and it just really doesn't feel like a good game experience when I absolutely destroy my lane, but the Zed can do whatever he wants because he has a virtually zero skill shot instant kill and massive free escape.

At least go back to QSS removing his ult. It's just stupid in comparison to other assassins. Fizz can't do that since he at least has to land his ult.

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sKingEanSep 11, 201815 votes

As a Zed main, I will offer my perspective on the topic of "nerfing Zed".

You can't nerf a champion because "low elo players" don't know how to play against that specific champion.
That being said, you can offer tips for your midlaner for laning against Zed such as " rush zhonyas" or "make sure to bring exhaust or shield"

Okay with that out of the way... I can tell you that when I face someone who does not properly recognize my powerspikes or kill potentials, it is extremely easy to play against them. However, I believe that there is a lot of counterplay to Zed currently that many people fail to recognize because they don't know what they are doing. I will list the counterplays..

Free stopwatch from inspiration rune.
Most mages bully ( outpoke or sustained damage) Zed as he farms with his Qs mainly in the early phases of the game.
Zhonyas or Armor items are in League for a reason. ( I find that the ones who complain about laning against Zed never rush Zhonyas or even Tabis- Then they proceed to get full combo'd by a Zed and die/complain in all chat.)
Any sort of cc on any assassin ruins their teamfight potential.
Zed is mainly a pick style based champ that can, at the most, 1v3- he can't do sustained damage.
Most opposing "low elo" midlaners do not abuse Zed's 20 second W cooldown- they can call for their jg gank or assert dominance during those 20 seconds.
Also many midlaners utilize Boneplate and Chrysalis which reduces Zed's WEQ damage and almost negates electrocute.

Conclusively, as Zed has as 49% winrate, it is completely unfair to nerf a champion (assassin) based on the ignorance of the opposing midlaner.

If you feel that Zed is overpowered right now as a midlaner, consider the 7 solutions above, which should enormously assist you in your laning phase.

Goodluck in the fields, summoner.

Zed

SwiftKitten88Sep 11, 201821 votes

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As a Zed main, I will offer my perspective on the topic of "nerfing Zed".

You can't nerf a champion because "low elo players" don't know how to play against that specific champion.

yes u can, also you say "they dont knwo hwo to play against him. when the laning phase is so absurdly stacked in his favor it is absurd, the amoutn of skill to takes to survive a zed's early game as about 5x higher than the skill it takes to play zed

That being said, you can offer tips for your midlaner for laning against Zed such as " rush zhonyas" or "make sure to bring exhaust or shield"

Okay with that out of the way... I can tell you that when I face someone who does not properly recognize my powerspikes or kill potentials, it is extremely easy to play against them. However, I believe that there is a lot of counterplay to Zed currently that many people fail to recognize because they don't know what they are doing. I will list the counterplays..

Free stopwatch from inspiration rune.

this is one time use and zed will be level 6 before you have this up

Most mages bully ( outpoke or sustained damage) Zed as he farms with his Qs mainly in the early phases of the game.

no we cant becuase we would run oom if we tried

Zhonyas or Armor items are in League for a reason. ( I find that the ones who complain about laning against Zed never rush Zhonyas or even Tabis- Then they proceed to get full combo'd by a Zed and die/complain in all chat.)

we do.. but then we run OOM and cant match your CS or try to deny u farm

Any sort of cc on any assassin ruins their teamfight potential.

zed's issue is his laning phase being absurdly OP vs champs that have mana, not his teamfigting. his teamfighting is balaanced

5. Zed is mainly a pick style based champ that can, at the most, 1v3- he can't do sustained damage.

well ihe cant do sustained damage like an ADC or bruiser cam because he is a squishy melee, but if he is stuck in melee range after he uses ever abilti as an AD champ he sure has a lot better sustained damage than a mage or AP assassin in the same situation

Most opposing "low elo" midlaners do not abuse Zed's 20 second W cooldown- they can call for their jg gank or assert dominance during those 20 seconds.

most players in low elo dont have voice chat and thier junglers are morons who dont come even when pinged

Also many midlaners utilize Boneplate and Chrysalis which reduces Zed's WEQ damage and almost negates electrocute.

LOL, LIKE WHO? i mean by god who on earth goes resolve as a mid laner

Conclusively, as Zed has as 49% winrate, it is completely unfair to nerf a champion (assassin) based on the ignorance of the opposing midlaner.

If you feel that Zed is overpowered right now as a midlaner, consider the 7 solutions above, which should enormously assist you in your laning phase.

Goodluck in the fields, summoner.

again the biggest issue with zed is he forces u to delay the item 3157 you need to survive or to run completely OOM sand lose lane because of that. THAT'S the issue

thats the issue with every manaless AD mid vs an AP mana using champ.. we dont have the mana sustain early game or the armor to live.. and we cant bet both.. and zed can build stuff like item 3155 and be completely unkillable. we cant "poke you out" becuase thats requires MANA, WE'RE NOT YOU, we just just spam every ability and wait 10 second for full energy again

every time you trade zed, even an "even" trade the mage will lose becuase they lost the mana... and zed lost nothing

LTK KoRoSep 11, 20185 votes

Wow, bias is so hard here. You're aware that Zed is assassin, right? And you're playing mages. You know which class should be favored in such a duel? Ding ding, answer is assassin!

Surviving lane against Zed is pretty easy, and when Zed rushes hexdrinker it means you did well, and now he's behind in damage.

The Zed player gave you really good tips but you prefer to cry, circlejerk and complain that Zed is stronger at one point of the game. Seriously, boards want assassins to be inferior at every aspect of the game.

Arcane Blue BoiSep 11, 20185 votes

you know what class should be favored in such a duel? Ding ding, answer is assassin!

dies level 6 for zed with a seeker's and barrier and he didnt even hit Q

LTK KoRoSep 11, 20183 votes

show me one replay of this happening. Oh, you can't.

Arcane Blue BoiSep 15, 20181 votes

Actually, i can. Whenever i dont ban zed for some stupid reason, i'll hop onto the replay and record all of that for you honey

LTK KoRoSep 15, 20181 votes

sure, show me replay where

dies level 6 for zed with a seeker's and barrier and he didnt even hit Q

happens. I'll be waiting

ZedUsanGovosSep 11, 20183 votes

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yes u can, also you say "they dont knwo hwo to play against him. when the laning phase is so absurdly stacked in his favor it is absurd, the amoutn of skill to takes to survive a zed's early game as about 5x higher than the skill it takes to play zed

It's... really not. Vladimir isn't on Azir's level of skill, yet if you're good at Vlad, you're better than a majority of Zeds, simply due to Vlad's kit.

this is one time use and zed will be level 6 before you have this up

You can still buy it separately before then.

no we cant becuase we would run oom if we tried

If you spam it, yeah. But if you time it right, such that you don't NEED to spam it, you won't. Don't look to hit EVERY single Q or E the moment he comes into range/LoS. If he's going for a cannon and is stuck in a bunch of minions, use a good AoE ability, then chill. Regain some mana, use auto-attacks instead of abilities in the meantime,

we do.. but then we run OOM and cant match your CS or try to deny u farm

You can still auto-attack him.

zed's issue is his laning phase being absurdly OP vs champs that have mana, not his teamfigting. his teamfighting is balaanced

His teamfighting is balanced because he can't teamfight. Your opinion on his teamfighting is quite telling.

well ihe cant do sustained damage like an ADC or bruiser cam because he is a squishy melee, but if he is stuck in melee range after he uses ever abilti as an AD champ he sure has a lot better sustained damage than a mage or AP assassin in the same situation

Mages and AP Assassins don't generally do sustained damage. Neither does Zed. They burst enemies or poke them. Zed without his abilities is literally no better than a melee minion.

most players in low elo dont have voice chat and thier junglers are morons who dont come even when pinged

That's... not Zed's fault. If you can't punish Zed that way, that doesn't make it grounds for nerfs.

LOL, LIKE WHO? i mean by god who on earth goes resolve as a mid laner

People who actually want to beat Zed instead of bitch about him. Your repulsion at the idea is quite telling.

again the biggest issue with zed is he forces u to delay the you need to survive or to run completely OOM sand lose lane because of that. THAT'S the issue

He doesn't force you to delay Zhonya's. It's wholly possible to rush Zhonya's while not completely giving up Mana items and running OOM.

thats the issue with every manaless AD mid vs an AP mana using champ.. we dont have the mana sustain early game or the armor to live.. and we cant bet both.. and zed can build stuff like and be completely unkillable.

But you have the range to damage them, the CC to stop them, and this wonderful spell called Barrier. If Zed builds Hexdrinker, you're actually doing well against him. This means he respects your damage and builds in order to counter it-- but by doing so, SEVERELY delays his damage spike.

we cant "poke you out" becuase thats requires MANA, WE'RE NOT YOU, we just just spam every ability and wait 10 second for full energy again

You can poke Zed out. It helps if you have a jungler nearby to add pressure on.

every time you trade zed, even an "even" trade the mage will lose becuase they lost the mana... and zed lost nothing

That's ridiculous. If you trade well, Zed can lose out on a W, health, and lane-pressure.

NyarlathοtepSep 11, 20181 votes

It's... really not. Vladimir isn't on Azir's level of skill, yet if you're good at Vlad, you're better than a majority of Zeds, simply due to Vlad's kit.

So i have to play a specific champ to survive against a good zed. Nice thinking there you have buddy.

You can still buy it separately before then.

Oh even more gold spent to non mana items. Great idea! /s

If you spam it, yeah. But if you time it right, such that you don't NEED to spam it, you won't. Don't look to hit EVERY single Q or E the moment he comes into range/LoS. If he's going for a cannon and is stuck in a bunch of minions, use a good AoE ability, then chill. Regain some mana, use auto-attacks instead of abilities in the meantime,

?? Excuse me? Time it right? If i want to force him out of the lane i have to deplete his life as fast as possible. Aka take every opportunity. Stuck in minions? What? Thats unreliable and frankly he can just w out if he does stuck. Aoe spells tend to push the wave and YOU DONT want to push lane as an immobile mage. Regain mana? With what exactly? Dorans got nerfed. There are no mana pots. Mages lack mana regen item with the exception of lost chapter which btw costs 1300 gold. Aa? What? Aa deal no dmg as mage. Furthermore it puts mages at risk.

Mages and AP Assassins don't generally do sustained damage

He did say in the off chance that he is in melee with someone he can still aa. And 300+ ad aa can hurt.

He doesn't force you to delay Zhonya's. It's wholly possible to rush Zhonya's while not completely giving up Mana items and running OOM.

How? Oh tell me. Lost chapter costs 1300 gold. Unless you got a good start, you cant have enough gold to buy zhonyas and lost chapter.

SEVERELY delays his damage spike.

It doesnt matter. He can still kill you with ease.

It helps if you have a jungler nearby to add pressure on.

Oh but ofc. The classic argument against every obnoxious champ. Bring more people. Great idea. Why havent i thought about it!

If you trade well, Zed can lose out on a W, health, and lane-pressure.

Oh the flip side mages can lose hp, lane pressure, important cds (stop implying only assassins have big cds), hp, MANA and gold (usually mages have expensive build compared to assassin items).

ZedUsanGovosSep 11, 20181 votes

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So i have to play a specific champ to survive against a good zed. Nice thinking there you have buddy.

I never said you HAVE to play SPECIFICALLY Vlad. There's a reason literally half the mage pool and almost every other midlane assassin counters him. The fact that you got THAT statement out of my example demonstrates your reading comprehension.

Oh even more gold spent to non mana items. Great idea! /s

You can't have your cake and eat it too. Zed can't get Hexdrinker AND rush Duskblade at the same time. Mages can't get mana items AND rush Zhonya's at the same time.

?? Excuse me? Time it right? If i want to force him out of the lane i have to deplete his life as fast as possible. Aka take every opportunity. Stuck in minions? What? Thats unreliable and frankly he can just w out if he does stuck. Aoe spells tend to push the wave and YOU DONT want to push lane as an immobile mage. Regain mana? With what exactly? Dorans got nerfed. There are no mana pots. Mages lack mana regen item with the exception of lost chapter which btw costs 1300 gold. Aa? What? Aa deal no dmg as mage. Furthermore it puts mages at risk.

No, you don't. On Veigar, a well placed W+auto is good poke. Then you just chill and build your mana back up w/ Q. Same with Twisted Fate. A couple of Qs and some good E procs, and use W to regain mana. If he Ws out, then you literally have a free lane for 20 seconds. You DO want to push the wave so you keep Zed under tower, thus preventing him from roaming. If you get him under tower, just back off, if you know that there's a jungle threat nearby. If you've lost some health, recall, so you can regain your health and mana, and maybe get an item (if you have the required gold). You have a basic mana regen value. Sure, it's slow, but if you don't needlessly spam your mana, you'll have enough if you need it. And basic attacks do help in the event your main damage source is on CD or you don't wanna use up your mana for that ability at that moment.

He did say in the off chance that he is in melee with someone he can still aa. And 300+ ad aa can hurt.

Zed only gets 300+ AD if he's ahead. He doesn't always get ahead. In fact, a lot of what I've been talking about is how to stop him from getting ahead.

How? Oh tell me. Lost chapter costs 1300 gold. Unless you got a good start, you cant have enough gold to buy zhonyas and lost chapter.

Sapphire Cryst, Cat of Aeons. The latter costs just as much as Dirk.

It doesnt matter. He can still kill you with ease.

If you play like a literal pile of shit, yes.

Oh but ofc. The classic argument against every obnoxious champ. Bring more people. Great idea. Why havent i thought about it!

You haven't thought of it because you don't think. That's the problem, as showcased by your literal first "counterpoint".

Oh the flip side mages can lose hp, lane pressure, important cds (stop implying only assassins have big cds), hp, MANA and gold (usually mages have expensive build compared to assassin items).

Mages will not lose lane pressure unless they lose the trade and/or Zed's jungler is hiding in one of the mid bushes. As long as Zed loses his W, his kill pressure is out the window. For 20 seconds, at least. For a majority of Zed's counters, the only important CDs they have (aside from their ultimates) is their CC. A large majority of their CC CDs are much, MUCH lower than 22 fucking seconds. The only ones I'll give as viable points are Vlad's W, Anivia's W, and Lissandra's E (which, while not necessarily CC, is as important to Lissandra as Zed's W is to him). You repeated HP. No shit they'll lose mana. But if they're down on mana, they can choose to recall, and have jungle cover for them, or just try to push the lane as much as possible before recalling. It's not a sin to recall. If they do, Zed probably can't roam. So all he can do is push and back. Or, who knows, maybe HE'LL recall, and you don't need to worry about him for give or take 20 seconds. I do agree mages do generally have more expensive items, but mages also have the potential to get more gold before they recall than Zed can if they play properly.

Twisted DreamingSep 12, 20181 votes

What you dont seem to understand (call me biased all you like) is zeds designed to win lane and roam, mages arent designed for early game, they are designed to scale. To trade well, you not only have to get hit be e, both qs, and more than not, a free aa, you then have to have missed everything in return.

My point is, considering how insanely weak zed is when compared to assassind like talon, and akali, and the fact that a 600 gold item makes me either one, lose the fight, or two, have to play around it, not only that it builds into zhonyas, which is an armor item thay counters my ult entirely, zeds far from broken, if anything he could use some q buffs.

Before you respond please take into consideration im a d1 zed main, and understand the game at a high level

Bloodrage ShadowSep 11, 20181 votes

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As a Zed main, I will offer my perspective on the topic of "nerfing Zed".

You can't nerf a champion because "low elo players" don't know how to play against that specific champion.

That being said, you can offer tips for your midlaner for laning against Zed such as " rush zhonyas" or "make sure to bring exhaust or shield"

They can't nerf a champion because low elo players don't know how to play against it? Yorick would like to have a word with you on that one lol.

SithesisLordSep 11, 20181 votes

You can't nerf a champion because "low elo players" don't know how to play against that specific champion.

Yorick was nerfed because low elo can't play against him.

DisembarkSep 11, 20182 votes

except he had a high w/r and respectable pickrate in Diamond+ too.

The “low elo cant play vs Garen/Yorick” is such a bullshit narrative. Those champs were oppressive as fuck higher up too.

Exin0Sep 11, 20182 votes

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As a Zed main, I will offer my perspective on the topic of "nerfing Zed".

You can't nerf a champion because "low elo players" don't know how to play against that specific champion.

That being said, you can offer tips for your midlaner for laning against Zed such as " rush zhonyas" or "make sure to bring exhaust or shield"

Okay with that out of the way... I can tell you that when I face someone who does not properly recognize my powerspikes or kill potentials, it is extremely easy to play against them. However, I believe that there is a lot of counterplay to Zed currently that many people fail to recognize because they don't know what they are doing. I will list the counterplays..

Free stopwatch from inspiration rune.

Most mages bully ( outpoke or sustained damage) Zed as he farms with his Qs mainly in the early phases of the game.

Zhonyas or Armor items are in League for a reason. ( I find that the ones who complain about laning against Zed never rush Zhonyas or even Tabis- Then they proceed to get full combo'd by a Zed and die/complain in all chat.)

Any sort of cc on any assassin ruins their teamfight potential.

Zed is mainly a pick style based champ that can, at the most, 1v3- he can't do sustained damage.

Most opposing "low elo" midlaners do not abuse Zed's 20 second W cooldown- they can call for their jg gank or assert dominance during those 20 seconds.

Also many midlaners utilize Boneplate and Chrysalis which reduces Zed's WEQ damage and almost negates electrocute.

Conclusively, as Zed has as 49% winrate, it is completely unfair to nerf a champion (assassin) based on the ignorance of the opposing midlaner.

If you feel that Zed is overpowered right now as a midlaner, consider the 7 solutions above, which should enormously assist you in your laning phase.

Goodluck in the fields, summoner.

true if game is made as semipro competitive product then get gud is ok but this isnt case, game is mainly composed of "low elo players" and there is difference between skill and pubstomping and frustration is growing, remember moment they leave game your career as "skilled" zed main ends and game die. Whole argument "its their job" is just justifing powercreep and whole fantasy aroud assassins fall flat moment they are able just run down the lane and kill everything in their path even jump in the middle of enemy teaam, secure kill and run out thez simply dont need like assassins they dont need play from shadow and wait for their opportunity, they dont need carefully position themselfs and setup assassination, just pick target and jump on him sorry for english :D

DragonsSep 11, 20181 votes

Learn to type. Also you are just plain wrong.

Zero Skill TankSep 11, 20185 votes

You can't nerf a champion because "low elo players" don't know how to play against that specific champion.

Of course you can, that keeps happening, latest examples being Yorick and Garen.

Regardles of how one understands "low elo", the term covers vast majority of playerbase (i.e. gold and below is about 90% of players).

If some champion is strong enough there to negatively affect quality of games, Riot not only should care, they pretty much have to, or they would risk hurting their bussines.

BLIGHTBRINGERSep 11, 20181 votes

I like how you main a champion who can get away with rushing their core items, where as your opponents are forced to rush zhonyas while sacrificing the ability to clear waves due to mana issues, something that wouldn't apply to you if you rushed Maw of Malmortius for whatever reason since you have a Passive that allows you to never miss a single CS, and on top of all of that have an unlimited resource energy.

I'm not disrespecting you for being a Zed main, i'm disrespecting your champion. No champion should have to use an item to counterplay something, every champion in the game ideally would need to have a weakness (Ex: Amumu is really weak and vulnerable in the early game which allows opponents to invade him, Varus sacrifices all of his mobility for ranged utility tools such as Slows and CC's, Jhin USED to have a weakness where he didn't have any mobility and he traded it all for raw damage, Pyke kit doesn't allow him to build any bonus health).

As of now I don't see a single weakness that Zed could have (putting aside the Zhonya's part)

Is able to clear waves well (Passive last hitting, Q minions from a distance, E minions around you).
Can poke safe and well (W + E + Q).
Has insane burst.
Has insane mobility (2 Dashes = W + Point to click R).
Has one of, if not the highest potential damage outputs with his ultimate (able to one shot a tank with a full Armor Pen/Lethality build).
Has good escape when being ganked (W away), yes I am aware of the cooldown on the ability but don't forget it gets reduced when hitting someone with his E.

The only weakness that comes to mind (which even then isn't a legitimate weakness) is him potentially being bursted quicker than he can output.

I wouldn't mind Zed, but I just want a clearer weakness. Ideally his laning phase power, and farming ability.

Though I respect you for taking the time to write up a huge section of your personal thoughts on this topic.

SalronSep 11, 20188 votes

Zed will stop being a problem for low elo when Riot fixes runes and duskblade So basically you're gonna have to wait until preseason

sKingEanSep 11, 20182 votes

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Zed will stop being a problem for low elo when Riot fixes runes and duskblade So basically you're gonna have to wait until preseason

No its just ignorance or rather the lack of knowledge on how to play against Zed that needs to be adressed. Feel free to read my opinions on my reply post.

JimTheSnailSep 11, 20181 votes

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No its just ignorance or rather the lack of knowledge on how to play against Zed that needs to be addressed. Feel free to read my opinions on my reply post.

No I agree with Aarron. The champ isn't the problem it is the runes and duskblade. Duskblade gives: A slow 99% slow (zil E essentially) but lasts a forth of a second. Yes it may not last long but is noticeable when you get to proc it 2x on the person and they are trying to run. A given most if not all AD assassins build Yoomuus they will not get away.

Extra burst DMG (resets if you are unseen for 1 second example in Zed ult or kayne ult)

Ward clearing Oracle lasts 10 seconds with a CDR of 90 seconds (60 when max lvl) and Duskblade has a CDR of 90 seconds and lasts 8. The catch is you one shot ANY kind of wards so say you are leona with oracle you can clear 2 maybe 3 wards depending on how close they are. If you are zed rengar talon etc.. you can clear like 3-4 since you one shot them.

10% CDR

It is just a lot on one item made for people who want to one shot champions. I say revert it to when you did not one shot wards (that is just OP) and remove the slow. Keep the DMG and lethality as is and I will be happy. As a support im tired of a rengar walking near my lane and clearing ALL my wards every 1 min and 30 seconds. OR make it so it doesn't reveal the wards instead they just do not reveal the person who has the item. Kind of like true invisibility.

SwiftKitten88Sep 11, 20188 votes

its not that u can't "play againt him"

its that have has a huge advtanage until you complete both your item 3157 AND a mana item of your choice. at that point its a skill matchup.

but in order to GET ot that point you need to not have completely fed zed, let him roam, or lost your tower.

zed's early game is WAY too good and has ZERO drawbacks if done correctly, and is also absurdly forgiving

not using mana himself while also making it his opponents are forced into either an early item 3191 before they can get mana sustain. and have an extremly hard time keeping up in cs because they cant farm with abilties back last of mana sustain. or grab thier mana item and risk being 1 shot by going within half a screen of zed.

once u reach mid game if he isnt fed you can quite easily counter him ifg u play properly. the problem is his laning phase is so absurdly stacked in his favor vs anyone who uses mana its hard to get to that point.

Mighty MorteinSep 11, 20184 votes

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its not that u can't "play againt him"

its that have has a huge advtanage until you complete both your AND a mana item of your choice. at that point its a skill matchup.

but in order to GET ot that point you need to not have completely fed zed, let him roam, or lost your tower.

zed's early game is WAY too good and has ZERO drawbacks if done correctly, and is also absurdly forgiving

not using mana himself while also making it his opponents are forced into either an early before they can get mana sustain. and have an extremly hard time keeping up in cs because they cant farm with abilties back last of mana sustain. or grab thier mana item and risk being 1 shot by going within half a screen of zed.

once u reach mid game if he isnt fed you can quite easily counter him ifg u play properly. the problem is his laning phase is so absurdly stacked in his favor vs anyone who uses mana its hard to get to that point.

And even then, even IF you're in the lead/winning, he'll just buy item 3155 and item 3111 and play safely.

Risk of FateSep 11, 20187 votes

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JooishmanSep 11, 20184 votes

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Does this mean they should nerf the following for low ranks because people don't know how to play against them?

There's probably some I'm missing, but this is the not-so-short list of "problem" champions that seem to ruin at least a quarter of my games because a laner shits themselves. Believe me when I say you'll have a much different game that way.

a decent amount of the champs on those list should be nerfed because they're broken even at the highest levels of play xddd

DisembarkSep 11, 20181 votes

Akali is more broken the higher up you get, permabanned in competitive.

SnugglePuggle94Sep 11, 20184 votes

For one, I agree with you as I'm a silver player myself. But knowing Riot, who Zed is their play toy, along with alllll the high elo players who already are complaining about him being "weak" in their games, they won't touch him.

So only thing we can do is to keep banning. I ban him every time I can unless one of my teammates says they want him, but even then I consider if I want to be a dickwad or not by banning him anyway and possibly have them mad at me....

Joys of the game, am I right?

[slayer-jinx-unamused]

ZedUsanGovosSep 11, 20181 votes

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For one, I agree with you as I'm a silver player myself. But knowing Riot, who Zed is their play toy, along with alllll the high elo players who already are complaining about him being "weak" in their games, they won't touch him.

So only thing we can do is to keep banning and crying about how we can't fight him without looking into how to fight him. Amirite, fellow Silvers?

[slayer-jinx-unamused]

FTFY

ChallengerTierSep 11, 20184 votes

how would you nerf him so hes not oppressive in low elo but not literal dogshit anywhere diamond+?

0 HogapuSep 11, 20183 votes

remove is passive damage on cs, makes low elo zed having no more creeps than their opponents while not gutting him for top players

iDarkWindSep 11, 20182 votes

Yes, if his lv1-3 wasn't already bad because he can't shove the wave without being punished, you want to nerf also his last hitting under turrent on the caster minions before the first back. And before you argue Talon has same issues, Talon has the strongest lv2 of the game possibly and his Q has sustain when he last hits a creep. If you guys could talk less crap and get good at the game Zed isn't an issue. Pointless thread and dumb overall.

JeaneGreeneSep 11, 20184 votes

Mmm the feeling when you play a mana intensive champ so you have to rush lost chapter, but doing so makes you vulnerable to Zed’s REAutoIgnite combo. Zed isn’t the issue tho, it’s mostly Lethality and how easy it is to get. Zhonyas actually becomes a bad buy later on, as most, if not all armor would be penetrated by the enemy’s Lethality.

DemainaNyxSep 12, 20181 votes

I personally think ignite doing 200 ish damage at level 6 when most people have 1000 hp is too much, combined with the fact it procs electrocute during Zed's extra damage ult duration is the problem.

I did a test in another post with R E Auto Ignite to a target dummy in practice tool where I think without items I did 400 damage and with items I did like 600 and ignite accounted for 200 of it.

That is insane to me that without items Zed does 400 damage at 6 to a target with 100 armor with Ignite doing half of it and none of it is dodgeable.

Like, who is supposed to survive this? Anivia with egg and Lissandra with ult? Ok, maybe Ekko, Vlad, and Fizz due to their untargetable-ness too, but that's seems insane to me that you basically just lose because Zed hit 6 and has ignite.

Yeah, if Zed hits me with multiple Q's, he should get the kill, but he shouldn't take more than half my HP because he can click R, ignite, and just happens to be in range to E and auto. Ziggs with no items against a target dummy with EQWR can do about 450 at 6 and everything is a skillshot, so why is Zed doing the equivalent damage with point and click things?

Rock MDSep 12, 20181 votes

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Yeah, if Zed hits me with multiple Q's, he should get the kill, but he shouldn't take more than half my HP because he can click R, ignite, and just happens to be in range to E and auto. Ziggs with no items against a target dummy with EQWR can do about 450 at 6 and everything is a skillshot, so why is Zed doing the equivalent damage with point and click things?

Because Zed has no teamfight presence, no DPS (to anything beside a single target), his ultimate can 100-0 one person but it can't half every squishy caught's hp, no utility, and and no ability to waveclear in a siege setting.

You're right, Ziggs isn't great right now, but this is a terrible comparison.

LacerationSep 11, 20183 votes

The game shouldn't be balanced around lower elo or else there would just be no incentive to get better and therefore the game would get stale. Zed does not deserve any straight nerfs when his winrate is under 47% till 25mins at plat+, and even worse at you go up.

None the less, Riot can change Zed to make him harder to play and more rewarding by looking at his passive. Reworking his passive to utility like out of vision movespeed based on % of bonus AD and moving the damage from passive over to Q/E while lowering his snapback delay would make him harder to play at lower ranks and better at higher which is something needs definitely needs. There's also the Reaping mechanic which grants zed a double kill if you die to it at lvl6 but doesn't scale. If his old W %AD passive was back he would be alittle weaker early but have more consistent scaling which is an issue for Zed at higher ranks while making him less snowbally for lower ranks.

Pika FoxSep 11, 20183 votes

People at low ranks being unable to play against something is not a good argument for nerfing. Even at low ranks zed has a low-average winrate.

TrenditionSep 12, 20181 votes

I disagree. Only because us at low elo also purchase RP from Riot and play the game as well. If some champ is pub stomping us and Riot doesn't address it then the game becomes unfun. Therefor us low elo players will not play and not buy RP which is a portion of how Riot stays afloat.

Game needs to be balanced around Pro and low Elo to maximize money income. When Riot leans more towards pub stompers is when they lose us low elo's.

EDIT: Btw no hate. I upvoted you.

Pika FoxSep 12, 20181 votes

Sure, you dont want a champion busting out a fat 80% wr low ELO. But that really doesnt exist, and hasnt since release Xin/LB.

Anin777Sep 11, 20183 votes

Just so you know, ANY champ can hard carry in low elo. Pick AD janna top and you can carry. Nerfing Zed will create a power vacuum and then the nerf cycle will continue.

Handin Out NapsSep 11, 20183 votes

Low elo players cant lane to save theie lives so nerf zed please.

Yes I also see nothing wrong with this. Btw the guy that went 15/0 has a 42% wr on Zed and I dont think its actually possible to get 32 kills unless you are against bots lol.

DracocrashSep 11, 20183 votes

except statistics show zed isnt strong in low elo.

IainG10Sep 11, 20182 votes

Easy: make it so that his ult damage only builds off abilities (not Electrocute, items or autos), and make it so that individual shurikens do little damage, but managing to hit several deals much more. That way he actually has to hit a combo to deal damage, rather than his current, fairly brainless state.

SolitaryEndSep 12, 20181 votes

‘Brainless combo’ Uh... Annie Fizz Malzahar Orianna Veigar Let’s talk about champions that are more viable than zed late game and still have ‘brainless combos’ that are mostly easier to hit. If zed misses his Q’s early he’s fucked. Anyone else misses they’re fine, they don’t have to use a 20s CD to set up the combo.

Automated RivenSep 11, 20182 votes

Low elo is not a reason champions should be nerfed.

OniichanQQnSep 11, 20182 votes

zed actually need a buff,not a nerf lol..if u have issues agains him consider following tips that zed player gave u and git gut.If ur bad against zed than its ur problem and u have to find ways to improve.Good logic btw i lose lane agains zed!no im not going to improve,not going to learn how to sidestep!And no im not going to learn right itemization agains zed!Im definetly not going to learn zed weaknesses!Im going to create post in forum and cry to nerf zed who actually need a buff but i dont know that because im not good at game yet![slayer-jinx-unamused] Rn zed is garbage in higher than gold elo,just because when people have vision and some gamesense its easy to deal with him.and can pop off only when hes agains some1 clueless as OP or really higher skill than opponent which means prob would be clapped even if face other champ.His ult is actually have most counterplays in game(zhonya.armor.shields.kayle ult,galio :D.janna shields,lulu ult and i can continue that for so long..) his w have long CD and u can punish zed for using it so easy,and no im not zed main who defend him because i want free elo lol. Give zed old W and better scaling on Q and he will be ok. About people..well yi "op" in low elo since season1 but its doesnt mean he need a nerf,its means people have to learn how to cc/chain cc/counter guinsoo stacks etc. Said too much anyway,ready to face tons of negative from s5 yasuo mains and others whos strugglin agains zeds and his team holding him back.[galio-happy]

NimblepawSep 11, 20181 votes

I think zed's damage is fair, but I think his shadow-hopping could use a slight nerf. As a talon player he can shadow-hop 2-3 times on 1 hp to escape an AA, before I can walk to him. He has a ridiculous level of burst-mobility IMHO.

Sebastit7dSep 12, 20181 votes

As a talon player

Okay...?

He has a ridiculous level of burst-mobility IMHO.

All you literally have to do is ult when he ults and wait until the mark pops and just rape him, your combo has hafl the cooldown and you can hop over every wall in the game. miss me with that "zed has a lot of mobility" after saying you are a talon player, both champs are dumb.

NimblepawSep 12, 20181 votes

Er.. What I'm trying to get across is using his shadows he can in essence triple flash, while continuing to dps you with shuriken. He can do a ton of burst while kiting in that moment. Not saying it doesn't require skill, just that it's pretty crazy!

Sebastit7dSep 12, 20181 votes

Yeah it can get pretty tricky but have in mind that his shurikens only have enough CD and cost to be only used once per combo unless he has blue, so the moment you dodge them he becomes extremely vulnerable until he gets enough energy to use them again, which by then, the W shadow will already be gone. His ult shadow lasts longer so he can actually use Q again with that shadow. but yeah, i agree it is pretty crazy