Quick PSA regarding tomorrow's PBE update

Malicious Metal·Oct 17, 2016·183 votes·38,658 views

It's the preseason patch.

Yes, things are going to be bizarre, weird, out of this world, somewhat scary at first and we all know how humans feel about change. Yes, things might seem broken, overpowered or outright unbalanceable. Yes, it does screw with League's balance, a lot in fact.

But you know what? It's fine, it's all going to get tuned and changed, that's what the PBE during the preseason is for. There's going to be a ton of testing in those three weeks during which the patch will be on the PBE

So contain the calamity that are your mammaries and try to be civil and not burst out into flames.

It's going to be alright. Provide feedback, discuss and make your opinion known, it's all we can do and being civil is a lot better than just slinging insults.

Got that? Good.

Now the countdown to preseason begins.

238 Comments

Sahn UzalOct 17, 201682 votes

complains about plants :^)

Malicious MetalOct 17, 201676 votes

goes on a rampage complaining about Rylais

Am I doing this right?

Sahn UzalOct 17, 201618 votes

Yes.

Velzard of KozOct 18, 20166 votes

However I'd like to remind that the patch comes at the time of Harrowing (tho for PBE). Can't imagine better Harrowing theme than 4 broken assasins, set of must-have items (by set I mean 2), set of gutted items (by set I mean 10) and pick/ban chaos.

Tell me people wouldn't be remembering the event as "horror". And that's what Harrowing is about, isn't it?

AirKingNeoOct 18, 20167 votes

Goes on a rampage about aatrox changes and how jax is still left completely garbage and the lack of meaningful changes to rageblade

Am I allowed to?

rtbf225618241Oct 18, 201610 votes

If i was Riot, at this point i would remove Rylai from the game just to piss you off for spamming this every day.

Malicious MetalOct 18, 201613 votes

Well good thing you're not riot. Just some Janna main who gets annoyed by someone posting on the boards.

rtbf225618241Oct 18, 20166 votes

And you're just someone Morde main who keeps becoming the LF of Morde mains. Overconfident and overestimating of themselves.

MelledoneusOct 18, 20168 votes

LightTrack? More like OffTrack.

rtbf225618241Oct 18, 20164 votes

Ironically, i'm quite up-to-date. Your "argument" is invalid.

MelledoneusOct 18, 201617 votes

I said off-track, not out-of-date, so YOUR argument is...

Kassadin Null and void.

######Also, zat vas und joke.

rtbf225618241Oct 18, 20167 votes

Implying that "Off-Track" can't be interpreted as out-of-date.

Ofcourse..nice joke but i'm kinda arguing with a Boards' "celebrity" here who is a bit too full of themselves and we both know he too has fangirls protecting him most likely because gods forbid should the "Iron Revenant" stand up for himself.

Malicious MetalOct 18, 20167 votes

Implying I'm 100% serious all the time and seriously think Morde's the absolutely best champ in the game.

MelledoneusOct 18, 201610 votes

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Implying I'm 100% serious all the time and seriously think Morde's the absolutely best champ in the game.

Yeah. We all know you're a Mordekaiser one trick pony and are working in your secret lab to create a real Mordekaiser with Alchemy. (Might cost you an arm and a leg, though)

MelledoneusOct 18, 20162 votes

I think you might want to check the definition of "off-track" again.

Also, please stop being such a negative nancy. Nobody likes a negative nancy.

rtbf225618241Oct 18, 20167 votes

Someone has to say the truth and you disagreeing with it doesn't make me any more doubtful about my opinions.

It's not negativity by negativity, it's simply what i perceive as truth.

RiotMeddlerOct 18, 201655 votes

Explains again that Rylai's changes are still under discussion and that we're not sure on a direction yet.

I think that's my line here?

Meep ManOct 18, 201611 votes

Maliciously rekt?

Malicious MetalOct 18, 201632 votes

I need to get myself a Rylais to treat this burn

RiotMeddlerOct 18, 201631 votes

Helpful post, many thanks, having people who've been through some pre-seasons before offer context on how they go is much appreciated. For this particular pre-season patch things will also be a little bit more work in progress than usual, since we're going to PBE 3 weeks before the patch rather than the usual 2. That means quite a few things, numbers in particular and in at least a few cases art, won't be finalized yet.

Some examples (there'll be plenty more, this isn't a comprehensive list) of things that are still being worked on a lot:

We've been getting reports from playtests that Talon's kit may be too weak right now. We're testing further to validate that, possible the stats that go to the PBE today will be too low however.
We're playing around with a reduced vision radius on the revised pink wards to assess how that affects detection of both wards/traps and camouflaged champions. That's just gone into testing recently, so it's a more experimental change than most of what's being tested for the patch.
Spawn times, length of warning telegraph and locations for plants are still getting iteration.
Krugs have a new mechanic on them (the big ones split into smaller Krugs when killed, which give separate XP/Gold). The art for that's not ready yet though, so you'll see some somewhat rough placeholder visual effects for now.
Honeyfruit plant doesn't have all of its visual effects ready yet
Etc

BlitzedlegendOct 18, 20164 votes

Thanks for clarifying, I just have one question. Is there a possibility that the oranges shown in the honeyfruit trailer will be kept for the final build? I enjoy those visuals when they pop out.

RiotMeddlerOct 18, 20166 votes

No, we'll be going with a different theme to placeholder (the oranges). If plants work out well I could imagine us reskinning them at some point for events though in the same way minions get reskinned every so often.

Malicious MetalOct 18, 201615 votes

To be honest, NOTHING will ever shock me after the monstrosity that was 4;20 warwick

ZyvuxOct 18, 20168 votes

420 weedwick*

Velzard of KozOct 18, 20162 votes

Krugs have a new mechanic on them (the big ones split into smaller Krugs when killed, which give separate XP/Gold). The art for that's not ready yet though, so you'll see some somewhat rough placeholder visual effects for now.

Will he still have subkrug/kidkrug or this means he'll be solocamp until the split?

RiotMeddlerOct 18, 201619 votes

On death Big Krug gives gold/XP and then splits into two Medium Krugs. On death Medium Krug gives gold/XP and then splits into two Small Krugs. On death Small Krugs give gold/XP. They also die to a single auto attack from anyone.

Velzard of KozOct 18, 201624 votes

So I make them reproduce, create a family and then kill them all. Coolhuehuehue.

On serious note, how does this affect Ivern's passive?

RiotMeddlerOct 18, 20169 votes

Ivern sends the initial Big Krug and Medium Krug away, getting the gold/xp from those two. No split occurs. Effectively he does the camp much faster than other champs, but for a lesser reward.

KinderOct 19, 20164 votes

Will he still be able to get lvl 2 off of that if he starts Krugs? Or will he pushed into a more specific clear?

Joe ManaOct 18, 20166 votes

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RiotMeddlerOct 18, 201610 votes

It'll be 2 Medium Krugs until someone clears those.

Solidair3Oct 18, 20162 votes

What is the purpose of this change if you don't mind me asking?

RiotXypherousOct 18, 20167 votes

Actually, slight correction - spawned Krugs will actually despawn if they are left unaggro'ed for a moderate amount of time.

The position of the Krug's camp makes it out of the way for most standard jungle paths - making it a basic timesink.

Upping the raw value of the camp creates some weird issues in terms of expectations of value of each camp. Splitting was introduced as a way to further push the time sink quality of the camp while giving it proportional reward.

NaagiiniiOct 18, 20164 votes

Will this effect leashes?

DecritOct 18, 20163 votes

it is also intended that i clear the camp but leave up the little ones for the carry?

RiotMeddlerOct 18, 20164 votes

Ok, quick update. We'll be pushing stuff to PBE in two parts most likely. The first part (almost certainly today) will be the assassin changes, plus some item changes. Second part (maybe today, maybe tomorrow) will have the mastery changes, plants, jungle changes and some other bits and pieces.

SpecterVonBarenOct 18, 201627 votes

Suddenly

"We here at Riot feel Morde has a terrible design and deserves to be brought down to prerework Eve level until we can properly assess how to move forward with him... in 2025"

SkiasOct 18, 20167 votes

{quoted}

Suddenly

"We here at Riot feel Morde has a terrible design and deserves to be brought down to prerework Eve level until we can properly assess how to move forward with him... in 2025"

He needed a whole new kit the first time. Attempting to modify him for bot was a waste of time. It was a weirdo experiment, Mordekaiser was just unlucky enough to be the test subject.

warpenguin555Oct 17, 201617 votes

But rito is going to make me quit because nothing is balanced on release so im quitting forever which is really like 3 days

Cryo00Oct 18, 20167 votes

Let me tell you exactly whats going to happen

There will be one in the four major assassins who will be garbage, two will be slightly over or underwhelming but otherwise fine, and one will be OMG WTF RITO.

Real talk, the next PBE may include the lux ultimate skin as well. HYPED !!!

The LovelessOct 18, 201614 votes

Or every assassin is initially thought to be weak but then, like the juggernaut update, EVERY single ONE OF them is broken as sht in reality. Remember when people made fun of Skarner for getting rocks?

WoonStruckOct 18, 20168 votes

lol I remember.

Everyone was trying to say he was weak when he was obviously strong.

Reasonable people were saying that the rocks were a stupid gimmick to force some sort of 'uniqueness' on him. Unreasonable people said he couldn't function outside of them and requested buff after buff.

Both viewpoints got melded somehow and Riot took it as "SKARNER'S WEAK AS FUCK. LET'S BUFF THE SHIT OUT OF HIM BEFORE WE SEE HOW HE'S ACTUALLY DOING."

Craft ZeppelinOct 18, 20166 votes

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Or every assassin is initially thought to be weak but then, like the juggernaut update, EVERY single ONE OF them is broken as sht in reality. Remember when people made fun of Skarner for getting rocks?

I remember the gag after those buffs,

"Skarner's first jungle clear, is starting by the red buff without a leash, invading enemy blue, kills off the enemy jungler, then proceeds to tank their midlaners ignite, then get double kills solo. Then goes to the opposite jungle by crossing through the ENEMY'S INNER/OUTER TOWERS, making his full clear."

Literally clearing the full game really

Mira Arya EntheOct 18, 20167 votes

I saw no changes to Shyvana. As far as I am concerned nothing has changed :)

Mistress ShyvanaOct 18, 20163 votes

Yep

RiotMeddlerOct 18, 201625 votes

6.23 or 6.24 might be the patch for you then. We've got some exploration into Shyvana changes underway. Bit early to talk details, looks initially promising though, with a focus on dragon form primarily (at least so far).

Mistress ShyvanaOct 18, 201622 votes

Ohboyohboyohboyohboyohboyohboyohboy!

GULAG 4 UOct 18, 20165 votes

Change is good.

Can't wait to see the Khazix changes.

My Waifu VanillaOct 18, 20168 votes

One evolve will still be vastly better than the rest and you pick it every time. As long as any of them remains "more damage" or "more mobility" there is never going to be a meaningful decision.