High skill cap champion my ass. Autoattacking max health true damage countered by 3 hit denied by Guinsoo rageblade phantom hit while also getting a nice buff to her Q cooldown when she ult and the duration increase when she make kill... can we fucking nerf this b!tch already? I'm bored to see bullshit Vayne EVERY game... her OP.GG score prove it right, she is busted.
Frosted Tips9 votesWhy don't we just remove phantom hits and then solve a bunch of abuse issues with one blow.
Paroe2 votes[{quoted}](name=Frosted Tips,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=QIQ0T8Zz,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-03-01T02:21:30.618+0000)
Why don't we just remove phantom hits and then solve a bunch of abuse issues with one blow.
Because Guinsoos isnt the issue. The issue is Vaynes entire kit which is nothing but unskilled right clicking and sticky mobility.
Frosted Tips6 votesVayne may also be an issue, but I really couldn't care less about her or arguing because I have no strong feelings toward her, but Phantom Hits is not healthy and it never has been. It is extremely abused and it is unfun to face.
Paroe1 votes[{quoted}](name=Frosted Tips,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=QIQ0T8Zz,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2019-03-01T02:29:48.052+0000)
Vayne may also be an issue, but I really couldn't care less about her or arguing because I have no strong feelings toward her, but Phantom Hits is not healthy and it never has been. It is extremely abused and it is unfun to face.
Its meant to function as 'on hit crit'. Unless your argument is, explicitly, that %HP damage and phantom hit are a bad mix. In which case youre completely correct.
MrHaZeYo4 votesThe problem is that champions like Kog, Kai, Varus, and Vayne all abuse the fuck out of it, and have been since it was remade with the Phantom Hits.
I agree with Frosted, the item needs to be remade once more.
Daddy ReTaric2 votesThe problem is that champions like Kog, Kai, Varus, and Vayne all abuse the fuck out of it, and have been since it was remade with the Phantom Hits.
I agree with Frosted, the item needs to be remade once more.
This item was dumb to start with once they added phantom hit. Sated devourer was toxic but hell less toxic than once phantom hit got added.
Frosted Tips3 votesThree major problems with the item;
Daddy ReTaric1 votesIts meant to function as 'on hit crit'. Unless your argument is, explicitly, that %HP damage and phantom hit are a bad mix. In which case youre completely correct.
Vayne used to be stronger than that on release and caused problem back then. They nerfed her multiple time and she always find a way to be useful and meta because her % max health true damage get buffed . It used to do like 8% max health true damage level 5. Now it does 14%. Just because it's true damage it make it good against everyone. Her W need to be gutted back where it was and her outplay potential focused on... Now Vayne is like Riven. High skill cap and skill ceiling champion being used and successfully by newbies who have no mechanics. Riven suffer the same issue right now. Her item/runes got buffed so she stomp because she received buff before hand and they kept it, knowing it would create a nightmare. Vayne is in the same boat and some buff need to be reverted. Her Silver bolt need to toned down and phantom hit to be removed.
Daddy ReTaric1 votes[{quoted}](name=Frosted Tips,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=QIQ0T8Zz,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-03-01T02:21:30.618+0000)
Why don't we just remove phantom hits and then solve a bunch of abuse issues with one blow.
I proposed this change multiple time but Riot love to break their game and watch us suffer so ...still hoping.
Celestial Lion124 votesagreed on the guinsoos interaction, make w an on attack effect instead of an on hit effect, see if vayne is still busted if she is revert her ult buff.
Commader Kiwi2 votesHoneslty unless the champ is meta, they won't look at her.. Lucain is pretty busted too considering how fast he abuses conq and so on..
Daddy ReTaric2 votesHoneslty unless the champ is meta, they won't look at her.. Lucain is pretty busted too considering how fast he abuses conq and so on..
They nerfed conqueror duration and it's getting nerfed on PBE again mainly because of Lucian. He could proc it in Q+AA+AA+E/W+AA+AA and it's proced. Vayne is cancer and something need to be done.
Starmfangy1 votesRiots not changing anything, get used to it. I heard that pbe upcoming changes have a small damage increase for all items btw.
Tahminatrix 1 votesNerf her tumble cd (maybe by having the r interaction depend on the amount of points she has in R), cut max health damage on her w a bit, but increase the minimum damage it can do so it will still do around the same it does currently to squishies, maybe alittle less if we don't nerf her tumble cd at all.
This way vayne isn't raping tanks while still needing to be overbuffed in order to even be playable against anything else.
That's a huge issue with a lot of unbalance-able champions in this game, too much power that depends on what you are playing against, we need to decrease specialization and compensate it with a bit of general power.