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Do the "balance" and "rework" teams hate Sona?

Pika310·2/8/2015, 1:18:07 PM·13 votes·1,077 views

Patch 4.13:

Lower base HP: - 7.11%
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Longer Staccato cooldown
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50% Lower Staccato damage
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Longer Diminuendo cooldown
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Higher Diminuendo Mana cost
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Longer Tempo cooldown
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Longer Hymn of Valor cooldown: **+ 14.3%**

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Lower Hymn bolt damage: **20%**
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Lower Hymn bolt range (secret, reverted): **- 50 units; - 7.14%**

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Hymn aura removed
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Lower Hymn bubble range: **- 650 units; - 65%**

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Lower Hymn bubble damage: **- 76.2%**
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Longer Aria cooldown: **+ 43%**
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Higher Aria mana cost: **+ 10 mana; + 17%**

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Lower Aria heal base: **- 37.5%**
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Lower Aria heal scaling: **- .05 ap; - 25%**

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Aria aura removed
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Lower Aria bubble range: **- 650 units; - 65%**

Lower Aria bubble damage reduction: **- 70.2%**

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Longer Celerity cooldown: **+ 71.43%**
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Lower Celerity active range: **- 650 units; - 65%**

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Celerity aura removed
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Patch 4.16:

Lower Hymn bolt range (secret, reverted): **- 100 units; - 15.4%**

Patch 4.20:

Lower Hymn bubble scaling: **- .05 ap; - 25%**

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Lower Aria % scaling: **- 50%**
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Higher Aria mana cost: **+ 10 mana; + 14.3%**

Patch 5.1:

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Lower movement speed: **bottom tier**
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Lower Staccato damage: **- .1; - 20%**
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Patch 5.3:

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Lower HP per level: **- 9.1%**
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Lower base mana regen: **- 10.1%**
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Upcoming Patch:

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 Reverts to all 5.3 changes, including
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- Lower base HP: - 3.06%
- Lower movement speed: bottom tier
- Lower base AD: -2

Unknown Patch:

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 Lower base AD (secret): **-2**
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 Reduced width on Crescendo (secret): **-nth**

I'll let you decide for yourselves.

19 Comments

Bisaknosp2/8/2015, 2:24:31 PM7 votes

this is just unfair meanwhile jarvan, lee sin, vi, irelia, zed, KaTARDina, riven and so on

MrSc0tty2/8/2015, 2:34:37 PM7 votes

the problem here, little jimmy, is that Sona does not make plays. And you see, when a champion exists that might prevent big plays from one of the champions that we like, well then that champion I'm afraid needs to go so that we can have fun with our plays. Sona prevents people from being poked down so that they can be all inned by our favorite champs-and we can't allow that I'm afraid. So we'll just trim a little bit here and a little bit there until she haaaaardly exists at all, and nobody will notice. :)

Emmy Cha0s2/8/2015, 4:36:37 PM7 votes

{quoted} The Q change is a bug fix. The range change was never intended, and a range change is one of the last things we'd do to change Sona, as range changes are very disruptive.

Also need to improve communication that Sona isn't forgotten, but that real and healthy changes to her will take significant testing and iteration.

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/2n8M8JVj-riot-fearless-what-was-sona-made-for?comment=0003000300000002

Fearless said he would not change Sona's range, yet he nerfed the range on all 3 spells by 650 units each.
He said he needed to improve communication, but this was the last time he's ever discussed Sona.

Posts like these are the reason** I DO NOT **trust Riot employees. They would rather blatantly lie to our faces, rather than listen and do a good job.

It Is I Emoto2/8/2015, 5:31:42 PM5 votes

the additional mana cost nerf is the only thing i don't understand. you need to pay 10 extra mana for sloppy 5 extra base heal? like really? Even nami heals more, i mean even alistar does more at rank 1 and taric does even much more, yet he's in the same boat as sona, except that he kept most of his identity.

FantasySniper2/8/2015, 6:42:42 PM5 votes

I like how biased this list is.

You don't even bother to mention the buffs she's gotten and is going to get.

AnOstrichWithPMS2/8/2015, 7:29:31 PM5 votes

AND THEN THEY RELEASE DJ SONA logic right

It Is I Emoto2/9/2015, 12:48:35 PM5 votes

I don't even get why this post has gotten downvotes, after all everything you've listed is true :/

Sailor Mint2/8/2015, 4:57:19 PM3 votes

They are shifting her to the ~~caster mp5~~ a Sona specific formula. That's a buff.

At least use the correct data.

Pika3102/11/2015, 2:05:33 PM3 votes

Some updates:

It's been discovered that Sona's base AD was secretly nerfed on an unknown patch, most likely 4.13. The 5.3 nerfs are being called a "bug" and will most likely be followed up with additional nerfs in 5.4 as well.

Erockandroll2/8/2015, 5:29:39 PM1 votes

yeah this clearly has no bearing to the QQ threads prior to her nerf.

She's getting nerfed Because people literally wouldn't shut up about it.