Can you give LB's Ethereal chains ANY counterplay.

YourAreMyQueen·Jul 2, 2018·38 votes·12,551 views

You literally can't even flash out of them they're so fucking long and the hitbox is so easy you can't dodge them. Absolutely retarded.

38 Comments

TheMysticWarJul 3, 201838 votes

What about giving Leblanc counterplay in general

charge attackJul 3, 20181 votes

Yeah dude. What if she had a passive that took 1.5s to proc, and most of her damage would be gated behind that....

Spicy RiceJul 4, 20181 votes

PSHHH, yeah, what a stupid idea. Welp, since that didn't work, I guess we shouldn't spend any effort at all in making her balanced...

SpecterVonBarenJul 4, 20185 votes

They tried that, people whined until they reverted the changes.

HyquiemJul 3, 201811 votes

Stand behind minions xd

Starcraft243verJul 3, 201810 votes

She can dash behind the minions.

Skeletons GraveJul 3, 20182 votes

q+w kills entire wave ur standing in then hits chains point blank.

Succubús GFJul 3, 20186 votes

That's actually just wrong. Her w waveclear wont auto delete minions until she hits like 2 items lmao

Akali is SO HOTJul 3, 201810 votes

Unless she somehow started the game with 3 items that is 100% false.

Spicy RiceJul 4, 20181 votes

Look, It's true that if I stand in the minions, she can't chain me, but then im an easy target to simply q-w.

If I stand away from the minions, I get w-q-e'd

It's honestly a lose - lose situation

HyquiemJul 4, 20182 votes

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Look, It's true that if I stand in the minions, she can't chain me, but then im an easy target to simply q-w.

If I stand away from the minions, I get w-q-e'd

It's honestly a lose - lose situation

You can dodge her w by running after she qs you can walk back, it’s oike you want her to have no abilities to hurt u.

YuGiHoJul 3, 201810 votes

the skillshot is actually pretty narrow, and they have nerfed the range on the skill so many times now. The skill does not even slow any more and people still complain about it.

remakoroJul 3, 20187 votes

Its actually can be dodged. :
Range is big but it is possible to get out. Especially if you have mobility or can give LB CC or some beating.

EmpressOfBeautyJul 3, 20187 votes

It isn't that long compared to other champions that can root you, like Lux, Morgana, Karma, etc. And theirs can't be moved out of at all, at least LeBlanc's gives you a chance. Sure if she hits it while close or from her distortion spot it is hard, but it can be blocked by minions, and moved out of too. LeBlanc players shouldn't be punished for landing it, it has a moderate cooldown and is part of her combo. There are champions that can avoid this like Ahri Katarina Fizz .

If you really can't bare getting hit by it, wait for a minion to hide behind.

[leblanc-funny]

LeBlanc RoseJul 4, 20182 votes

It's not the skillshot length thats the issue. Its the length to break it.

MillForMeJul 3, 20187 votes

I logged in for this.

I main Lux. I decided last season that I would instant ban LB any time I went mid as lux. It doesn't matter who the FotM is. It doesn't matter if Zed or Fizz or Kassadin is strong. Rengar or Kha'zix could 100-0 me all game.

I do not want to fight a champ who has 1 skillshot that is only ever cast in lane when they are right in front of me. I don't want to fight a champ that needs to land a skillshot to CC me, but has a blink (possibly 2) to get right in my face and do it.

Zed has to land skillshots or commit, and he pops up behind me with ult. I can counterplay. Rengar gives notice when he's ulting, or requires bushes to be effective. counterplay. Kha lacks CC and has to commit, counterplay. Most, if not all assassins have some form of counterplay that, while maybe not effective once fed, I can still reliably use to escape, hinder, or kill them. NOT Lb.

If I combo her and fail to kill her, I'm rewarding with a time period of me NOT seeing her, then I deal with trying to figure out which is the real her for an important fraction of a moment, just so I can TRY to kill her if she hasn't used up her gaps.

I'd rather Season 3 Kassadin, than LB.

charge attackJul 4, 20182 votes

Except season 3 had this LB too and she was actually stronger then.

Y’all talked about how great season 3 was. Well this is a lot like season 3. Whatever Assassin gets more fed just 1v9s the game.

MillForMeJul 4, 20182 votes

I never said season 3 was great. LB may have been different then. She may have been STRONG then, but she also had deathfire grasp. Items were as much a problem back then as skillsets and stats.

someonesmissingJul 11, 20181 votes

If you are playing Lux, why dont you just throw your Q at Leblanc when she jumps right in your face?

LeBalancedChainJul 11, 20183 votes

Hm, I'm sorry but I see no reason for that wine, in fact, Lux is historically used as a counter pick to LeBlanc (specially with the old shield, but she can still do it).

In order to Leblanc to chain you right in your face she has to W on you, and honestly as a Lux main I don't see how you can't react to

With Lux it's impossible for Leblanc to actually Q-W on a Lux due to her huge range, and since Leblanc will most likely max W in order to wave clear, she will lose a lot of damage by using W to close the gap.

The best way to counter Leblanc is by afk-pushing the wave, Leblanc has no way of effectively clearing waves AND poking at the same time, specially without commiting into it.

And honestly, if you use Barrier and rush Banshee's, you have ABSOLUTELY no problem against Leblanc, everything I can say is: you're playing that match up VERY wrong.

MillForMeJul 12, 20182 votes

My statement was never about the previous incarnations of Leblanc, who's matchup may have been different.

LB does not have to W onto lux. LB has to W NEAR lux and throw a Q, then immediately W back. This is pre 6. WQW is fast enough to avoid being Q'd unless you actually use W to get in front of lux. Now, Lux can no longer throw her Q, unless she wants to be harassed for free. Lux's E is her main source of poke and her main source of farm, usually punishing champions who stand with their minions. The moment she sends her E out, and until the CD is done, you have the ability to jump in and potentially land 3 skills on lux, assuming you avoid her E.

Post 6, you now have the ability to mix things up, with the extra damage from Q, your main goal against lux is to poke her with an immediate WQW until you can all-in her.

I think you're not used to playing against lux and are unaware of the opportunities you have to constantly poke her.

koshkyraJul 3, 20186 votes

I agree with the range part, but its actually one of the smallest hitboxes in the game.

AHScovenJul 11, 20186 votes

You guys need to stop complaining and start learning how to dodge a tiny ass chain. Downvote me to hell, I said what I said idc

LeBalancedChainJul 11, 20183 votes

E X A C T L Y

Tell them honey!

AHScovenJul 16, 20183 votes

I love you girl

LeBalancedChainAug 3, 20183 votes

Pika FoxJul 3, 20185 votes

Yeah, dodge. Her skillshot isnt that easy to land. Her Q and W are far bigger issues than her E.

LeBalancedChainJul 11, 20181 votes

Yes, and with many ranged champions Leblanc can't get in range to actually Q-W without getting any punishement, but you know, it's easier to complain x)

Summonah12369Jul 4, 20185 votes

Can we actually give Kindred counterplay towards op junglers? Such as this little shit MonkeyKing

5050BSJul 2, 20184 votes

The old "Its a skill shot so dodge" BS

jocomotionJul 4, 20183 votes

Hi. My names Jim. Jim the caster minion. And I will use my bidy body to block literally any skillshot I can.

BisaknospJul 3, 20182 votes

it sometimes hit me when it shouldnt just like blitz and thresh q its like i pull them to me xd

egOrhythmJul 3, 20183 votes

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it sometimes hit me when it shouldnt just like blitz and thresh q its like i pull them to me xd

That's a problem with hitboxes in general. I've lost count how many times a Blitz Q magnetized itself to my squishy ass. Riot needs to take a good look at this because I honestly feel its getting worse as time goes on. Might be that spaghetti code.

kjm99Jul 4, 20183 votes

Hitboxes aren't really the problem, its the angle we see the game at. From one position it may look like a skillshot missed but if you move the camera a bit it looks a lot more like it hits. Some skillshots with smaller visuals just look more off than others. The majority of the time its just the angle not the actual hitbox.

Leti AntraxJul 4, 20182 votes

I wish you could have known the S4 LB, her chains slowed and the sigil when was popped it silenced.

But yeah I agree with the lenght of her chains once they land can hugely extend without any counter.

Some Noob DudeJul 11, 20182 votes

Slow skillshot that can be blocked by minions. Yup, "no counterplay".

DoktorKaiserJul 3, 20181 votes

Tiny hitbox would be a factor if she didn't have 2 gapclosers which make it almost impossible to miss unless the enemy has 500 movement speed. They revert her to her broken state and have the audacity to leave her E with that retarded post-rework range. It used to be so much smaller when she was released. It needs nerfs and I have seen just 2 LBs in last few months, but even those 2 times were more than enough.

LeBalancedChainJul 11, 20183 votes

You know... they did ACTUALLY nerf the chain twice with the revert when compared to pre-rework state right?

Chains used to slow. Chains used to have a bigger tether range.

Now they do not, and you still cry cause it's easier to cry than it is to actually learn how to counter the champion.

Leblanc is not broken, I can say this for sure, look at her pick/win rate both in soloQ and competitive, and you see her numbers are always in the middle of it, which means she's balanced.