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Wukong, 55% win rate, 10% play rate. You gonna laugh me off the boards now for saying he's broken?

YourAreMyQueen··153 votes·22,314 views

3 days ago I made a comment asking how long we're gonna pretend this counterplayless, no skill, bullshit of a champion is balanced and got downvoted into oblivion because of "low playrate."

Well now his playrate has skyrocketed to 10% and his win rate is 55%. So what's the excuse now?

214 Comments

Rexxiee80 votes

Dont worry WK mains are gonna come here downvote and say that hes bad because he loses every lane xd

Eedat22 votes

Wukong main here. Wukong is nuts atm because of the stormrazor+duskblade stacking. Either that needs to go or he'll remain in this state

Chembaron Yamada15 votes

Or they could nerf Wukong?

Janakin20 votes

Or even better, rework that shit.

Starcraft243ver7 votes

So they'll proceed to : nerf wukong, then nerf stormrazor, then forget to up wukong.

BIFF11 votes

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So they'll proceed to : nerf wukong, then nerf stormrazor, then forget to up wukong.

This guy works for riot balance team...item 3070

Terozu2 votes

To be fair.

Its 53% winrate 9% playrate.

But he is strong.

Zarvanis25 votes

Where do you see 10% play rate?

(Apparently I need to preface that these are his Top Lane numbers) 2.21% on Op.gg 1.51% on Champion.gg 3.5% League of Graphs 3.23% on LoLalytics

I'm not going to deny that 55% is a really high win rate, but I'm not calling the easy-to-learn champion with a low skill-ceiling "broken" when his play rate isn't anything to write home about. I'm not calling him "balanced" either, to be clear.

Marshbouy3 votes

2.21% on Op.gg

uhhh 4% PR jg 2.2% PR top 1.6% PR mid

Not the aforementioned 10%, but not the low 2% that you are claiming.

SwiftKitten882 votes

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Where do you see 10% play rate?

2.21% on Op.gg 1.51% on Champion.gg 3.5% League of Graphs 3.23% on LoLalytics

I'm not going to deny that 55% is a really high win rate, but I'm not calling the easy-to-learn champion with a low skill-ceiling "broken" when his play rate isn't anything to write home about. I'm not calling him "balanced" either, to be clear.

https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/monkeyking/platinum

MrFawknSunshine23 votes

just play Garen and smash the monkey

kile14718 votes

Trade one spin-to-win for another?

HungryAngry2SPP7 votes

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just play Garen and smash the monkey

cant smash monkey if he invisib, and jg :(

Akumu11 votes

Ive known Wukong has been broken for months. Have you even seen the fucking retarded buffs they gave him when they nerfed Duskblade?

V8.6 Stats Attack damage growth increased to 4 from 3.2.

Crushing Blow Crushing Blow AD ratio increased to 10 / 20 / 30 / 40 / 50% AD from 10% AD at all ranks.

Riot is seriously fucking retarded. Nerf Duskblade because it provided too much burst then proceed to buff every single Duskblade user to make them stronger than before.

HalcyonDweller10 votes

Hmm, you're making this difficult, because your reasoning is sound (regardless of whether your statistics are or aren't) but you came here to crow about how you were right and others were wrong. Seems kind of prideful to me, less than noble intentions.

I want to agree with you, but with those prideful / spiteful intentions it's hard to respect or side with you.

Edit (6 hours later): probably the most arrogant thing I've said in a while but I stand by it. Anybody who takes time to gloat about being right instead of settling in for a discussion properly is just being an idiot.

Milton Fletcher4 votes

true the boards are where people talk about how the other sounds morally right or wrong and not about balance decisions and opinions on champions.

sucks i cant type anything out using my actual feelings because people like you are too obsessed with sounding like a jackass over sounding like a human being.

PureGold6691 votes

Ouch. Who hurt you and when did you get banned?

HalcyonDweller2 votes

That wasn't necessary, the dude was just calling me out for being rude. He may have been rude about it himself, but that's no reason to bring something completely unrelated up about them.

Marshbouy27 votes

I hope you have a good view up there on your moral high ground.

remakoro16 votes

Its over anon! I have a moral high ground!

Pendergast8919 votes

''b-b-but he effectively has no passive!''

Marshbouy9 votes

Anybody who says this doesn't understand how a power budget works.

at all.

ChaosThief2 votes

It's not that they don't understand a power budget, it's that his current passive is underwhelming. In the middle of a teamfight nobody is going to notice they suddenly have extra armor and magic resist that comes with no notification.

It's not that he has no passive, it's that he has no passive that you really notice. You wouldn't really be able to point to any part of Wukong's gameplay and say "that's his passive that did this."

LegitBusinessman1 votes

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It's not that they don't understand a power budget, it's that his current passive is underwhelming. In the middle of a teamfight nobody is going to notice they suddenly have extra armor and magic resist that comes with no notification.

It's not that he has no passive, it's that he has no passive that you really notice. You wouldn't really be able to point to any part of Wukong's gameplay and say "that's his passive that did this."

When we got into this philosophy of everyone needs to notice everything, kits get overloaded, unbalanceable, and miserable to play against.

ModAcademy Kayn4 votes

That's hyperbole and assumption to the supreme.

DearPear2 votes

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''b-b-but he effectively has no passive!''

"Imagine if I had a real passive"

SIayton9 votes

Been saying Wukong is busted for a while. 0 counterplay, INSANE burst with duskblade, amazing team fight, amazing ganks. His only real issues are early in lane if he can't burst you and his mana but it honestly doesn't even matter that much if you're behind considering the value of stealth in > point and click no counterplay dash > AOE steerable knockup.

Absolutely hate fighting wukong, I've been banning him for a month or two now.

Elohaven8 votes

Boards will downvote anything that's true until it becomes a problem

charge attack3 votes

*they will downvote because it’s physically impossible for their favorite class aka bruisers and fighters to be broken.

Risk of Fate7 votes

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LegacyDAP21 votes

Zed's not even bad though.

https://i.gyazo.com/e5ada8bcb4994799ebb9f81464528aec.png

EDIT: WTF happened to this post? Last time I checked it I was at -1 votes or something.

invisiblecat16 votes

It isn't necessarily Wukong that is strong It is just that his kit works perfectly with lethality items, which makes him strong

bbQsauçe6 votes

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Eedat3 votes

His winrate went up .6% on the patch he got buffed. That's not the problem.

RocketRelm6 votes

To be fair, successful threads on boards typically have a % failure rate "anyway" because if your thread gets downvoted by the first 3 people that see it, it doesn't matter if the other 97 would have upvoted, thread's dead.

Daddy Ants5 votes

#Disable item 3147 item 3095 from being purchased together.

Arcane Blue Boi5 votes

I made a vow to myself, every time i see a wukong or a fizz i dodge.

I have to ban zed, once enemy midlaner has 0 originality and thinks is a special kiddo, and will 90% of the times pick zed if he is left unbanned

I have to let yasuo open but o well, atleast if you dont try to kill him he cant kill you, you just gotta endure the epic farm under tower until 20 mins gameplay

Tundra Hunter4 votes

"counterplayless, no skill, bullshit of a champion " ---> the reason I ban him every game, whether he is 45% or 55% winrate doesn't matter, he is frustrating to play against because the above statement.

Hayaishi4 votes

Back in the old forums there was a prophet. His name was ducking sicks and he foretold that Wukong was OP.

It looks like his prediction came true!.

#duckingsicks

limebuster4 votes

Oh he’s completely overpowered, if he’s picked jungle, u basically can one shot any1 with just ur jungle item,when he gets duskblade then, your’e fucked if your anything remotely immobile. If I play any of my fav adc’s against him (mf,jinx,Jhin) I’m most likely going to die every single time he gets near me

big boi edri4 votes

Everyone bitching about item 3095 , and item 3078 when he rarely even uses those items.

item 3147 item 3142 item 3071 item 3026 item 1001 item 3074

Prob the most common build if it ever gets that far. If you see a Wukong building storm razor or TF hes probably just fucking around because hes already fed af.

I'm all about this thread though, maybe they'll actually take some time to give him a Xin level rework now. Raise his base numbers, lower his scaling, change his passive and something else. Let him be a diver and not an assassin. Just dont Aatrox the mother fucker, I enjoy his kit.

Automated Riven3 votes

Where is Dunkin sicks when we need him. :(

BALDG1VEN BOOMER3 votes

Wukong isn't the issue, it's Lethality, Sudden Impact, Electrocute.

Before these two things were introduced this champion didn't have much of a place in league, now he pretty much only builds assassin items lmfao.

YumaS2Astral5 votes

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Wukong isn't the issue, it's Lethality, Sudden Impact, Electrocute.

Before these two things were introduced this champion didn't have much of a place in league, now he pretty much only builds assassin items lmfao.

Don't forget item 3147

Blessed By RNG3 votes

actually it's 53.46% win ratio and 9.03% playrate

Daddy Ants2 votes

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actually it's 53.46% win ratio and 9.03% playrate

That's still disgustingly high.

Skullgetti2 votes

Better nerf Zoe

Geneseid1 votes

Wukong main here. Wukong is currently only broken because of the introduction of Storm Razor. The item, and NOT Wukong, require direct nerfs.

DearPear2 votes

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Wukong main here. Wukong is currently only broken because of the introduction of Storm Razor. The item, and NOT Wukong, require direct nerfs.

If the item is fine on many other champs, then it's wukong that needs to be toned down. If the item gets nerfed after that then they'll just have to buff him back.

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