So we seriously have to go 2-3 week of Edge of Night again?

LegendmakerGX··76 votes·16,208 views

Seriously I hate this item, I thought Meddler said they will hotfix this or nerf it next patch (Which is this patch). I don't want to wait another 2-3 weeks for the next patch. What the hell were you guys busy on in the 2 weeks that you guys have? over 100 champion and usually only 5-7(this patch - 3) champion nerf or buff that are used by the pros, the patch 7.4 should had not even taken 1 week if you ask me other then Corki. It seem that Katarina Jhin and Maokai should had not taken that long to nerf since it wasn't really a huge nerf other then to Maokai since obviously he is being played in the LCS.

Should had just nerf the item/hot fix edge of night or disable that pain in the ass item since another 2-3 week of ADC sniping me and even when I try to flank them to CC I still will have to waste one of my ability to take that shield off.

I don't get why item 3071 item 3036 item 3035 when rarely any ADC even build these items any more are getting nerf, item 3142 I understand but the rest I don't get.

Every ADC rushes these 3 items item 3814 item 3147 item 3142 that can abuse poke so why the other 3 items were nerf I don't know

137 Comments

RiotMeddler76 votes

Edge of Night should be getting hotfixed tomorrow. That's not reflected in the patch notes because those were written and localized to other languages before we decided to do the hotfix.

Ars Arcánum4 votes

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Edge of Night should be getting hotfixed tomorrow. That's not reflected in the patch notes because those were written and localized to other languages before we decided to do the hotfix.

Why is Quinn's E getting a higher cooldown than Fizz or Camille's E? really not looking forward to my favorite champion being gutted due to itemization forced upon her.

SaltyKracka29 votes

One spell nerfed. So gutted.

Anyways, because she's ranged, basically manaless toplane cancer.

LegendmakerGX3 votes

Actually she waste a lot of mana and doesn't really have good combo follow up unless you give her a lead, people hate her because her ult that give her extreme speed to gank out of no where + with the lethality items means she can kill a person so fast.

I really want Quin to have a mini rework so she can be a ADC, just making sure what is Quin anyways? I know kindred is obviously a jungler but what is Quin?

NineTailedMystic22 votes

Top laners hate her because she's incredibly oppressive. Mid laners and ADCs hate her because of her 100-0 instaburst.

Mira Arya Enthe6 votes

So Ahri :^)

NineTailedMystic3 votes

Only dedicated mains even think about taking Ahri top though.

Mira Arya Enthe3 votes

Ignore the top lane part

hate her because she's incredibly oppressive. Mid laners and ADCs hate her because of her 100-0 instaburst.

NineTailedMystic6 votes

Ahri isn't particularly oppressive in laning phase though. And at least Ahri doesn't fly at you mach 2 and point/click you to death.

Big Lincoln3 votes

at least I can dodge most of Ahris burst

Tychusfindlay9193 votes

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So Ahri :^)

You can dodge like half of ahri's entire kit. Same cannog be said fir quinn. I take darius everywherr, midrius against ahri is an easier time than against quinn pre 6

KittyofTindalos9 votes

*blinded 100-0 instaburst

SpecterVonBaren4 votes

That's really the thing I hate about her. If I'm going to die then at least let me be able to see my death.

DarkRitual5 votes

And everyone else hates her because by the time you see her coming, it's probably too late.

SH Azykan5 votes

Quinn is a ranged assassin/lane bully She is not the same as a traditional adc

KittyofTindalos5 votes

She's a meta teemo :D

Moobeat22 votes

to be clear, are these the same nerfs on PBE atm?

SaltyKracka11 votes
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We appreciate you, man.

Edge of Daybreak2 votes

what's changing about it in said hotfix?

LegendmakerGX4 votes

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Edge of Night should be getting hotfixed tomorrow. That's not reflected in the patch notes because those were written and localized to other languages before we decided to do the hotfix.

This is so beautiful to see.^^^^ I would give you a cookie if I can.

Iron Wu2 votes

Still don't see a hotfix. Still losing to Varus Edge of Night builds.

Canastus1 votes

You're better off disabling the item entirely at this point, merely taking away 5 AD and increasing its active cd by 15 seconds won't do a thing as long as it still offers a TEN SECOND SPELLSHIELD along with lethality and magic resistence.

EoN is completely broken and is singlehandely destroying diversity and balance right now. The item literally has no downsides, it's a mandatory buy on any ad champ out there.

I can't comprehend how you expect us to put up with this nonsense for two more weeks.

Kivolan15 votes

I wish I could start banning items instead of champions.

Limrick24 votes

Ban Longsword Git fukd assassins

Aeszarck4 votes

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Ban Longsword Git fukd assassins

Ban Boots of Speed With love, Cassiopeia

CurlyCrusader2 votes

That actually seems like a fun game mode.

TeCoolMage3 votes

Faker: looks for aatrox on the list, can't find it, bans ohmwrecker every game

ForgiveColour5 votes

We got stuck for whole year with rylais deal with it you bunch of whiny mage mains

LegendmakerGX2 votes

Only 2 mages abused rylais and 1 which was Cassiopeia Azir +Brand, it cost a fortune to even get that item and we have COOL DOWN not auto.

ForgiveColour22 votes

Only 2 mages abused rylais

stopped reading there

LegendmakerGX1 votes

So which mages abused them? Since all the other mids have actual cool down. Azir can keep on autoing while Cass can spam. Other then that all other mids have cool down.

Electro52210 votes

Almost every mage in the game "abused" Rylais. If the mage didn't have any innate mobility, you would build Rylais on them. So, this list would include: Anivia Annie Azir Brand Cassiopeia Heimerdinger Malzahar Morgana Orianna Syndra Taliyah Velkoz Xerath Ziggs Swain Viktor

I did not include Lux Ryze or Veigar because:

Lux and Veigar have enough crowd control they don't really need the slow, and rely more on burst than anything else (this also kind of applies to Xerath, but I believe people still did build it on him).

Ryze is more focused on building AP with Mana, and his low CD snare plus movement speed buffs is enough to warrant not building it.

Azir is the only mage with innate mobility included because, unlike all the other mages, hes auto attack reliant, and his soldier's auto attacks are considered to be spells.

LegendmakerGX2 votes

Can they spam their ability non stop like an auto or do they have cool down? Some people are to dumb to even think like YBuR which he says LOL this guy but never tells which champion abuse it. Your wrong paleo abusing means they can spam it non stop. All the champion you listed have a cool down for every ability. The only one that doesn't have a cool down at most and can be non stop spammed with rapid AP damage is Azir Cassiopeia.

Of all the champion you listed other then Azir+Cass, which champion can spam non stop to be considered abusive?

Hope the people who down voted use common sense, the reason Rylia was even nerf was because of Azir +Cassiopeia who could had spam their ability and have non stop slow on their target.

What YBur and the other minds on the board who think he is right is because it has a slow it is considered abusive.

Yes you are saying it can be used by other AP champion and obviously but Ybur is sort of simple minded and think abuse is for all AP champion who can use it when every AP champion has a cool down to use their ability again.

Brand and Malz too, usually brand champion skill let his target be slow for a good duration which is like Malzahar E which sticks on a target for a good duration.

Electro5227 votes

"Abusing" does not mean simply spamming an ability that can make good use of an item. "Abusing" means exploiting something that is overtuned in order to gain an edge.

Anivia Anivia could use it in combination with her ult to add on an even more potent slow. This would make hitting her Q stun easier, making her already massive damage potential even more potent.

Annie Annie's Tibbers consistently deals AoE DoT (damage over time) damage, similar to item 3068. This burn applies the Rylai's slow, making Tibber's a considerable threat even after being cast.

Azir Azir (as you know) has consistent damage with his soldier's auto attacks, which apply the Rylai's slow.

Brand Brand's passive is a DoT, similar to summoner 14. This burn applies the Rylai's slow, making his skill shots easier to land.

Cassiopeia Cass (as you know) has her spammable E, but not only that, the slow would apply off of her Q and W as well, making each of them easier to land as a result.

Heimerdinger Heimer's turrets are similar to Azir's soldiers in that they consistently deal damage. They are considered a spell, so they apply the Rylai's slow in order to deal even more damage.

Malzahar Malz has E, which, like Brand, is a DoT, which consistently applies the Rylai's slow. This makes it easier to land his Q, and makes it easier for his Voidlings to stick to his targets (this is why he being played as a support right now).

Morgana Morgana has both her W and her Ult. Her W is a DoT which consistently applies the Rylai's slow, making it easier to land her Q. Her Ult already has a potent slow coupled with it, so Rylai's makes it that much harder to get out of it.

Orianna Orianna has a decent slow on her W. Couple this with the Rylai's slow, it makes it easier to land her Q, and Ult.

Syndra Syndra's Q is quite spammable. The Rylai's slow would make it easier to land both her W and E as a result.

Swain Swain's Q and E is a DoT, and his ult (while not exactly a DoT) puts out consistent damage. All of these make Rylai's a very important buy on Swain even today, after the nerf.

Taliyah Taliyah's Q is also quite spammable, and her W has a decent slow. The Rylai's slow would make it easier to land her E, W combo as a result.

Velkoz Vel'koz is extremely skill shot reliant. The Rylai's slow would make it easier for him to land the rest of his skillshots after landing just one. Also, his ult has a potent slow. The Rylai's slow would make it that much harder to get out of it.

Viktor Viktor's ult (altough it isn't a DoT) does put out consistent damage. The Rylai's slow makes it harder to get out of it. Also, Viktor can his Q with Rylais's slow in order to more easily land his E.

Xerath Xerath (like Vel'koz) is very skill shot reliant. Landing his Q would make it easier to land both his W and E, and landing one shot of his ult would make it easier to land the rest.

Ziggs Ziggs is also heavily skill shot reliant. Landing his Q with the Rylai's slow would make it easier to land the rest of his spells as a result.

One champ I actually forgot to add was Zyra Zyra. Her plants deal consistent damage, which, with the Rylai's slow, makes it easier to land the rest of her abilities.

Yes, some mages abused it more than others (i.e. Azir Cassiopeia ). But, like I said, almost every mage could abuse it.

SSJTribe9 votes

Just so you know, for some of those like Orianna and Vel'koz, slows don't stack. It just applies the more potent one.

Awoof3 votes

To add on that, Rylai's didn't grant a more potent slow on Vel'Koz' abilities, it just made his W slow. You could actually trigger the subreddit of Vel'Koz mains by building it on him in the first place. (Orianna's max rank W also had the same slow as Rylai's, for completion's sake)

DarkSunSovereign5 votes

Wrong. Syndra bought it for the OP stats. She didn't give a shit about the slow.

TeCoolMage3 votes

Anivia could use it in combination with her ult to add on an even more potent slow. This would make hitting her Q stun easier, making her already massive damage potential even more potent.

...You do know slows don't stack at all anymore. As SSJTribe said, only the strongest applies. Rylai's is trash on champions with good slows already.

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The Great Divide1 votes

Thank you. That item was busted, but not as busted as these people are trying to make it out to be

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GGLineaR1 votes

You forgot Twisted Fate. Not that I blame you. I love the guy, but he's terrible in the current meta.

Electro5222 votes

You know.....now that I think about it.....you're right. Movement speed is one of the best stats on TF, so a decent slow would only help. I figured his low CD stun would warrant not to buy it at first.

CurlyCrusader3 votes

Anivia never built it.

Electro5221 votes

Anivia is one of those mages that enjoys buying health items, right? Well, Rylai's did give a decent amount of health, so, I don't see why she wouldn't buy it. Yeah, she doesn't make as much use out of it as others, but its still useful.

CurlyCrusader5 votes

You said above that it would make the slow "more potent" but if my understanding is correct, aren't slows calculated so that only the strongest one is accounted for, such that if Anivia ult slowed for 30℅, and ryalais would slow for 40%, the target would then be slowed by 40%.

HazyCloud74 votes

it needs to be deleted or made melee only

Oleandervine2 votes

Riot announced on Twitter that if it persisted to be a problem after this patch went live, they would consider hotfixing it.

LegendmakerGX6 votes

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Riot announced on Twitter that if it persisted to be a problem after this patch went live, they would consider hotfixing it.

What do you mean if it persisted? It's ALREADY damn is the day it got buff.

Dynikus5 votes

if it persists after the changes to damage and reduction of lethality they've already done. They don't want to make lethality completely pointless to build and make assassins and the select few adcs that are actually good completely useless like the boards want to, they want to bring them down to a level that's not overbearing.

LankPants2 votes

-5 lethality is not going to hurt the cancer lethality ADC trio that much.

Dynikus5 votes

it's not just -5 lethality. it's: -5 lethality on youmuu's -10 ad on black cleaver, +100 health (harder to get stacks for LDR) -2-2.5% damage on t4 ferocity masteries -2.5 lethality on precision -2% damage on merciless duskblade no longer disables traps double the health requirement for LDR

with nerfs to Edge of Night to come either as a hotfix or in 7.5.

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