graves and zac truly need balance changes. and they need it now.

McFatal·Sep 27, 2016·7 votes·1,009 views

ban stage is just 5 junglers and 1 laner now.

jungle this role has been the most broken of all roles/

zac and graves continue to dominate when let free and its disgusting. these graves mains who have no idea what they are doing but continue to melt and shred everyone while having 2 items and 200 armor from e in total is disgusting.

this is coming from a d3+ player/

i know im getting downvoted because im not complaining about yasuo andhow "op he is lul"

24 Comments

Unstoppable MonkSep 27, 20166 votes

Zac seems somewhat balanced to me.

McFatalSep 27, 20163 votes

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Zac seems somewhat balanced to me.

you're somewhat yet undeniably wrong when you say that

hes disgustingly busted

flyingbaklavaSep 27, 20162 votes

Do you see Zac getting FP/Banned in professional play? Do you see him picked more then once or twice a season on professional play? No? Funny, champions that are busted typically are. Did you know Zac's elastic slingshot has a shadow that telegraphs where it will go for over a second? Did you know Zac's elastic slingshot can be interrupted? Did you know that if Zac misses elastic slingshot, hes basically useless in teamfights? I ask these questions, because most people below diamond don't seem to know it.

AstôlfoSep 27, 20165 votes

Graves does. If you think Zac does.... BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

McFatalSep 27, 20162 votes

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Graves does. If you think Zac does.... BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

There's a reason why you're laughed at . I've asked all of my master and challenger friends and they've agreed . Bronze zacs aren't what I'm talking about

AstôlfoSep 27, 20165 votes

holy shit I'm literally about to cry laughing at you

First of all, you're not D3+. You're G3. Second of all, I find it extremely unlikely you have any Master/Challenger friends in the first place, let alone any regularly communicating with you. Third, if you actually asked any intelligent player, you'd get an intelligent response. Not the load of horsecrap and QQ you're spewing about in your thread.

Learn to play against Zac. You not knowing how to doesn't make him OP. It just makes you a laughingstock when you proceed to cry about him.

PermabannedGarenSep 27, 20162 votes

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holy shit I'm literally about to cry laughing at you

First of all, you're not D3+. You're G3. Second of all, I find it extremely unlikely you have any Master/Challenger friends in the first place, let alone any regularly communicating with you. Third, if you actually asked any intelligent player, you'd get an intelligent response. Not the load of horsecrap and QQ you're spewing about in your thread.

Learn to play against Zac. You not knowing how to doesn't make him OP. It just makes you a laughingstock when you proceed to cry about him.

Which intelligent players have you spoken to on the subject of Zac?

AstôlfoSep 27, 20163 votes

Anyone that knows how to ward, dodge skillshots, use CC, when and who to fight when, and build anti-resistances?

MokkunSep 27, 20161 votes

Hmm, I think the bans when I started playing ranked were 5 junglers and a laner With Rammus and Shaco being the primary junglers always banned, and Kass being the laner.

PermabannedGarenSep 27, 20161 votes

So what makes Graves jungle so busted in high elo? Is it his extremely safe and pretty fast clears?

specter424Sep 27, 20161 votes

You clear the jungle without losing any hp and then you go into the enemies jungle and steal everything , they can't really stop you because you are an amazing duelist.

McFatalSep 27, 20161 votes

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You clear the jungle without losing any hp and then you go into the enemies jungle and steal everything , they can't really stop you because you are an amazing duelist.

Exactly. Graves should sacrifice jungle clear for dueling or dueling for jungle clear. But both he and zac have both . Nidalee too.

PermabannedGarenSep 27, 20161 votes

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Exactly. Graves should sacrifice jungle clear for dueling or dueling for jungle clear. But both he and zac have both . Nidalee too.

From what I understand, top lane Graves isn't really a problem in high elo, so I'd prefer they nerf his jungle clearing personally, though I might be biased because I actually like Graves top, but didn't like playing him jungle.

And yeah, Zac is complete bullshit.

DracocrashSep 27, 20161 votes

zac's 1v1 dueling and sustain in the jungle isn't as good as graves.

Zac's bloblets keep him at around 60-70% hp.

TheorcheroSep 27, 20161 votes

Fuck zac dude. His E NEVER needed the range increase.

MunchCrunchLunchSep 27, 20161 votes

elastic slingshot has too much range. its too disgusting. i mean he does have great damage for how tanky he is. but i don't care about that. his elastic sling shit range is too much

TyroneWatermelonSep 27, 20161 votes

Zac just needs visual reinforcement on his E landing spot and animation bug fixes,while graves weds to be deleted

JafarThePandaSep 27, 20161 votes

Here's how to beat zac, dipwad.

item 3165 item 3153 item 2043 item 3340 item 3363

afk soon btwSep 27, 20162 votes

Thats not how you beat Zac lol !

JafarThePandaSep 27, 20161 votes

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Thats not how you beat Zac lol !

that's actually how you beat zac, but you know, you're gold 3 on EU, so bronze 3 NA. Who cares?

DracocrashSep 27, 20161 votes

A zac that knows what hes doing is freaking disgusting to play against.

Theres no way to ward every spot that zac can jump from, and you have to rely on your reflexes to see the tiny shadow and dodge his E.

He isn't even ultimate reliant to gank, he can gank early, his ganks just get better mid game and his late game is nothing to scoff over.

And god forbid, you are a squishy immobile mage vs an assassin and zac. Even a tower cannot save you from both of them diving and killing you when you walk into lane.

JackMcSnipeyzSep 27, 20161 votes

Graves is getting nerfed this patch both for his burst speed (slightly) AND his armor (dramaticly), so there's that.

Zac isn't a problem, his E has enough travel time to dodge, if you're immobile, even a skarner gank will be Op if you're pushing.

Buff Jax pleaseSep 27, 20161 votes

Well Graves is completely broke but I feel Zac is only slightly too strong...if they nerfed his base damage on E a little bit he would be completely fine imo.

Timethief49Sep 27, 20161 votes

Zac hasnt been played in a long time. Now that he is in an ok state of balance and sees some play (nida, reksai are still played so much more) you want him to get nerfed into the ground?