These boards flip-flop too much

chipndip1··37 votes·1,303 views

Before now: Everyone and their grandma that ever typed on these boards hated the living hell out of LeBlanc. Even with sub 50% win rates, even when it was SIGNIFICANTLY so, people bitched about her instantaneous burst and lack of counter-play outside of knowing where she was before she insta-burst you.

Now: We got a thread rallying people to pour one out for the "fun LB".

Literally wtf? I was there when G&B was on fire over LeBlanc, Rengo, and the other assassins. Did you guys forget about those old burst patterns? How assassins just straight burst people in fractions of a second? You guys HONESTLY want old LB back? Are you serious?

Like, to the very least, new LB can't instantly burst you. You get a fair warning, THEN you die. It's a step in a better direction than just seeing an inescapable death fly in from a bush or over a wall. Not to mention her old passive was less a "deceptive tool" and more of a free escape tool since you got to temporarily disappear which most people, obviously, hated.

These boards flip-flop too much.

26 Comments

xToxicOsirisx21 votes

The only time people come to the boards are to circlejerk about something they don't like. Different people have different opinions. When one champion is strong, somebody will inevitably come to complain about it. When that same champion is weak, there's no reason to complain. Except of course the people who like that champion, who will also come to complain.

Thus the cycle continues.

EDIT: it's less that its flip flopping. It's more that different people are coming to complain about different things.

Big Lincoln16 votes

not me, I am consistent in my hatred

Etheręal2 votes

My fellow juggernaut brethren, LET US UNITE AGAINST THE FILTHY ADC OVERLORD SCUM! We must purge those unholy heathens for ruining our glorious top lane utopia!

kasfas1 votes

You have nothing to lose but your chains.

######lel

Danjeng3 votes

Can confirm. I know you just absolutely hate Ryze. But you don't know anything about me. You never listen, Big Lincoln. This is why we're getting a divorce.

Mizaya8 votes

It's been a while, they just need to re-watch the many videos of LB insta-bursting multiple champions to death with flash-W-R, providing enemies absolutely 0 time to react.

Or the clips of her jumping, instantly killing a squishy champion, and jumping back without taking a bit of punishment for it.

I can understand if people aren't completely satisfied with the rework, but we can't just do a simple revert for this case. We don't need assassins with AoE burst or the ability to have huge kill pressure on low cooldown with low risk.

Jinzo Torrance5 votes

I liked old Rengar more, he goes in, gets a kill if he's good and then probably dies

LB will always be cancer, there's no "fun" LB, too much burst, too much mobility

MistroTTC3 votes

The problem is people are more likely to come onto the boards and complain then they are to come on and talk about how things are better, to the unhappy people have disproportionately large voices even if they genuinely enjoyed whatever was changed, this is how you saw a bunch of dominion fans complain when it was removed.

Teridax683 votes

This is partly true, many players who come on here tend to magnify League's current problems and forget how far we've come, which is why you get posts asking Riot to buff back assassins back to pre-rework levels of instant burst, when prior to that they were almost universally called the worst-designed class in the game. I've also seen a lot of posts waxing nostalgic about Season 2, calling it the best in terms of balance, diversity, design, etc. when it was arguably the worst in all of these respects, as it was the season of the Metagolem, where anyone who could abuse that extremely rigid build the hardest (i.e. fighters) turned into unkillable, hyper-snowbally damage monsters and dominated everyone else, where mages were nigh-unplayable because Force of Nature hard-countered them, and where Riot maximized speed of champion production over quality, generating kits whose problems still persist to this day (e.g. Elise, Fizz, Rengar, Volibear, etc.). Basically, as a collective here we tend to think League's current state is always the worst it's ever been, look upon its past with rose-tinted glasses, and therefore sometimes make some pretty questionable demands.

However, I think in LeBlanc's case it's not entirely unjustified, as from what I've seen her criticism addresses her design, more than it does her balance: LB seems to be at a pretty okay power level, but her playstyle has been turned into that of a waveclearing kite mage, when pre-rework she was an all-in assassin with some mage elements and poor waveclear (the devs had also specified that they didn't want to alter this, even if they did want to space out her burst). Not only has this upset many of her core fans, whose favorite champion got their playstyle essentially flipped, but it's also not the best design for anyone else to deal with, as LeBlanc has so much free-targeted mobility that when she can use all of it defensively, she becomes practically impossible to reach for any champion with less range or mobility. What many players might be signalling as a result is a return to a playstyle that better embodies the old LeBlanc, i.e. an emphasis on going all in to burst down your target, rather than a full revert that would include her previous lack of counterplay.

Come to think of it, this could likely be a good topic for a megathread, seeing how there's a lot of discussion around this and mixed opinions. I can't speak for Leblanc's mains, but I do think it could be useful to gather feedback from them to better understand their grievances with her current kit, and how they want to approach future changes in order to move closer to a playstyle they enjoy, while still allowing for interactivity and counterplay on their champion.

Kloqdq1 votes

Please do make a megathread regarding her. There is a lot of people with a lot to say. Some supporting the new, some supporting the old and others with just a lot of comments.

Pale Pirate2 votes

For someone who doesn't main Leblanc, you seem to have a very approvable understanding of her. Do you frequently play assassins? (sry for bad English)

Teridax681 votes

Thank you! I don't actually play assassins very frequently, and tend to prefer tanks, juggernauts and supports, so what understanding I have of LeBlanc comes from seeing people more familiar with her play and discuss her.

Sexy Jack Rabbit2 votes

It's cuz the boards are cancer af and can't understand that different opinions exist.

Subject 52 votes

I think the problem now is that the actual definition of what an assassin is completely and totally restricted to the question:

Are you AD?

Hell . . . champions like: Twitch Draven Vayne Jhin kill faster than current champions such as Leblanc for example.

AD assassins are doing fine though - they function as they're suppose to: Rengar Talon Zed

The fair warning for ADC's is that you just don't approach them. So it's true that with the best offensive you get an excellent defense . . . why did we tone down assassins, mages, tanks and at the same time give crystal meth and steroids to ADC's? We should work on making certain that ADC's can't just nuke somebody just as quick as an assassin - that is what the assassins job is, to nuke somebody! Either die or get out but ADC's are currently filling that role.

Kloqdq1 votes

Well not Rengar. Rengar is in the shitter and was last going tank. He is more of a diver than assassin by design anyways.

WoonStruck1 votes

New Rengar consistently performs better than old Rengar.

Its just not as fun. Its pretty braindead now.

Kloqdq1 votes

But he isn't playing like an assassin is the problem. Which is what Riot wants him to be. IE why he was changed. Instead he fits more of a diver class, which is what the players are pushing him towards.

Sir Fuzzi1 votes

Because anyone who comes on to the boards to 'praise' anything are really just making thinly-veiled complaints. So really, the whole of boards is just who's complaining at present.

Welcome to the internet... and demographics in general, honestly.

DunkinNoobs1 votes

The boards have a really short memory.

Gone by Night1 votes

Because new LB is more bullshit and has only one single combo basically.

chipndip14 votes

How is she more bullshit than when she could dive, kill, and teleport out faster than a human finger could react?

TwitchInMyPants1 votes

I'm pretty sure the reason they're bitching about LB again isn't because they liked being one shot, its that the new Leblanc STILL one shots AND she has crazy waveclear/poke with the splashing Q. Its the exact same problem as mana regen + w spamming LeBlanc and the players of the champion had to relearn her in a rework that didn't actually fix anything.

Dealing with the old LB is at least simpler since even if the engage range is the same she had to use HER FACE to poke. Which meant at higher levels of play you could stun her mid dash or blast a targeted spell at her and there was actual risk. Even if she was statistically stronger her gameplay pattern is basically the same except the Q is usable to waveclear/poke and she can stay a mile away while doing it, harder to punish for the average player.

Dextix LT1 votes

It is like the boards consist of various of people with different opinions!!! /s

Laxfan521 votes

Leblanc is more fair now, but she isnt as much fun to play as (in my opinion). She wasnt balanced before the rework. She need to be changed but not reverted.

koshkyra1 votes

I think they should revert the other changes, but keep the W damage nerfs.

She wouldnt be able to flash+WR you, but she would steal be able to QRWE you (fair since its her entire combo).

Kloqdq1 votes

I am not saying the Passive was a bad idea. But it completely contradicts what Riot themselves have wanted by just delaying when LB front loads all her damage. She deserves some work but that updated missed the mark and frankly made her worse off for it.

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