So what happened to assassins not deleting anything in less than a second?

Frontline Fury·Nov 24, 2017·9 votes·622 views

Because these days all i ever see is AD champions stacking lethality or mages buying one magic penetration item and one-shotting everything with 0 time to react again.

18 Comments

TalinisNov 24, 20175 votes

More of a problem with certain champions, like khazix. Khazix relied on using multiple Q's. That was his damage delay. However, now with things like duskblade (which takes zero items to make it strong, just levels) and a stronger electrocute and no armor options for mages outside of zhonya and no armor runes, he can clap you inside of 1 hop and 1 Q. Champions like Fizz however, which are hardwired for 2 full seconds on R erupt and W proc, as well as usually half a second for E, it still remains the same time frame as the Q ratio remains weaker and lichbane takes items to scale. A 2 AP item lichbane's damage is worse than just having a single duskblade. Would be more balanced if duskblade's damage was halved or cut 2/3rd's and then added an AD scaling like lich.

Other duskblade users are mostly in the same boat, lower armor options and stronger upfront burst with things like electrocute put them over the top.

Frontline FuryNov 24, 20172 votes

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More of a problem with certain champions, like khazix. Khazix relied on using multiple Q's. That was his damage delay. However, now with things like duskblade (which takes zero items to make it strong, just levels) and a stronger electrocute and no armor options for mages outside of zhonya and no armor runes, he can clap you inside of 1 hop and 1 Q. Champions like Fizz however, which are hardwired for 2 full seconds on R erupt and W proc, as well as usually half a second for E, it still remains the same time frame as the Q ratio remains weaker and lichbane takes items to scale. A 2 AP item lichbane's damage is worse than just having a single duskblade. Would be more balanced if duskblade's damage was halved or cut 2/3rd's and then added an AD scaling like lich.

Other duskblade users are mostly in the same boat, lower armor options and stronger upfront burst with things like electrocute put them over the top.

Fun fact: the person complaining (me) is a tank main. I am complaining because a duskblade talon can oneshot me as a sunfire cape thornmail ornn. It feels extremely unfair.

nelogisNov 24, 20171 votes

Well these 2 items are inneficient to counter the true dmg part of Duskblade. Both of these item grant little HP (Why the hell are you building a Sunfire btw that item is garbage just get a Randuins which is better in almost every single way).

If you want to protect yourself from true dmg go something with high HP, Warmogs alone has more HP than these 2 combined.

Second of all, I have never seen a Talon one shot a tank (Like in full-tank). If he blows his whole combo with every auto reset possible + double proc Dusk on you thats max 70% of your HP gone and thats without you using W.

As long as you arent 0/7 and he is 7/0 I dont see it happening.

DNFVixenNov 24, 20172 votes

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Well these 2 items are inneficient to counter the true dmg part of Duskblade. Both of these item grant little HP (Why the hell are you building a Sunfire btw that item is garbage just get a Randuins which is better in almost every single way).

If you want to protect yourself from true dmg go something with high HP, Warmogs alone has more HP than these 2 combined.

Second of all, I have never seen a Talon one shot a tank (Like in full-tank). If he blows his whole combo with every auto reset possible + double proc Dusk on you thats max 70% of your HP gone and thats without you using W.

As long as you arent 0/7 and he is 7/0 I dont see it happening.

I play tanks quite a lot, I have been oneshot by a talon, a nocturn, a zed, and so far a quinn, and i mean a literal oneshot and it all thanks to Dark Harvest. My team fed them and by 17 min we are fucked.

nelogisNov 24, 20172 votes

"my team fed them", like I said as long as he isnt 7/0 I dont see it happening. Or do you think a 7/0 ADC wouldnt shred you too?

And a lot of assassins are running Electrolute (I think Rengar and Kha prefer Dark Harvest but only in the Jungle too).

I seriously dont see it happening and as long as you dont show me a video or replay or whatever proof you can find that an assassins that was equally ahead as the tank can 1 shot him (And ofc the tank didnt build full MR).

PS: Yeah Zed might be able to do it but he has to ult first, hit triple combos and play it perfectly to 100-0 a tank.

LordGeovanniNov 25, 20171 votes

assassins and adcs have different roles by your logic a 7/0 tank does the same thing and steam rolls everything

nelogisNov 25, 20171 votes

yes a tank can do that too? yes he cant 1 shot stuff but he can tank for eternity.

And yes they do have different roles, an assassin is here to take out a key target (which isnt a tank and thats why im saying that an assassin cant just casually 100-0 a tank in a 1v1 when both have everything up) and an ADC is here to take out Tanks/Bruisers (right now they take out everything when they are ahead but that is a whole other problem).

The similarity between these 2 is that they mainly do DMG and offer almost no CC thats why i compared them.

DNFVixenNov 24, 20171 votes

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Fun fact: the person complaining (me) is a tank main. I am complaining because a duskblade talon can oneshot me as a sunfire cape thornmail ornn. It feels extremely unfair.

Just follow my lead and quit league till riot fixes the game and makes it so the game is decided 30-45 min and not 5 min. Netflix has some great shows on there, I am pretty sure if enough of us quit till they fix things when we return riot will do better at listening to us.

LordGeovanniNov 25, 20171 votes

if enough of us do but people on boards defend riot for no other reason that they have people working and it wouldnt be polite to them

FTWolfNov 24, 20173 votes

Youre playing ornn wrong if a talon is oneshotting you lmfao

Paladin 0f LifeNov 24, 20172 votes

I call BS all around. Play any immobile mage mid and have fun with all these zeds, ahris, fizzs and akalis

woodvsmurphNov 24, 20172 votes

Stop watching mage and assassin highlight reels on YouTube?...

For real though, you have to feed them for them to do this. Overstaying at low hp. Not warding properly. Ignoring mia pings. Etc. Meanwhile adc's still just do adc things - get 3+ items, delete everything in sight while complaining about every other role.

Mages and assassins can kill me when they catch me whaaaa. They have slightly more burst than I do whaaaa.

Tanks are tanky - they don't die in 3 hits like everything else and and and... they can cc me. Nerf please.

Bruisers have damage. If I'm an idiot and stand there for 3 sec doing nothing, they might actually be able to kill me 1v1 or in teamfight whaaa.

Their adc got the first kill. I need to play agro and kill them back now that they're up an item and level instead of playing safe... I died again gg ff at 15; this game is unwinnable.

I got ganked TWO times; how is it MY fault I'm 1/7/0; you're 1/3/0. I don't care you were 2v1 camped for 20 min straight; you're bad, now shut up and let me carry.

I don't care I ulted from point blank range as twitch vs an enemy team with tons of cc and burst; we lost that fight because my idiot team didn't peel for me.

What do you mean I need to group?

Give YOU that farm? I need it - I don't care I'm full build; it's mine.

(adc goes from 1/7/0 to 10/8/2 thanks to toplaner amazingly outplaying the enemy team and essentially stalling game for 15 min 2v5 so adc can become relevant) Adc: You're welcome for the carry. Trash toplaner goes from 3/1/0 to 3/6/15. Died 5 times without getting a single kill after being fed early. Noob - stay bronze. You're just lucky I won you that game.

SweedishGunnerNov 24, 20171 votes

Duskblade happened.

Colgate GatorNov 24, 20171 votes

Just pit the Assassin vs the ADC and see which one takes less nanoseconds to delete the other one.

LordGeovanniNov 25, 20171 votes

adc being busted is not a reason for assassins to be busted.

nelogisNov 25, 20171 votes

well unfortunately it has to be like that because who else is going to kill the ADC :)

welcome to riots balancing my friend!

Do you want another 4 months of "better ADC wins" or this?

And dont you dare proposing ADC nerfs, that would be too easy

LordGeovanniNov 26, 20171 votes

its not just assassins job to kill adcs mages and fighters all have that job too and if damage goes down for adcs and mages get gated by mana cooldown again then fighters can perform their job again.