Questions about Youmuu/Shiv/Dancer.

Absolute0Chaos·Sep 21, 2015·1 votes·700 views

1- do ranged AA champs ever build Youmuu? Why or why not?

2-is it viable to build both Shiv and Dancer? Why or why not?

7 Comments

NoMonkuSep 21, 20151 votes

They can build it, though it is more for an early game build and to help spike earlier in the game. As ADC's often are their teams late game power house, there isn't much reason for them to purchase early game items that give a small window of power. The only ADC that can legitimately fit Ghostblade into their build atm is , as the actives synergizes with his R incredibly well.
I would say it is not worth it. You should get either one or the other. In almost all cases PD is superior to Shiv. PD offers better stats and they both cost relatively the same amount of gold. The only reason you would want to get Shiv instead of PD is because you are a burst ADC where the extra damage from it increases your likelyhood of 100-0 them or if you got early on and farmed with it. While PD is superior in almost all ways, it is a FACT that Shiv is cheaper. Even though it isn't by much, as ADC's are very item dependent, accelerating your build to get the next item quicker has its advantages in certain scenarios.

If you meant as a 6th item you are better off getting 2 PD, another LS item(BT or BotRK, whichever you most likely didn't get), or a defensive item if you need one.

MarthianSep 21, 20151 votes

Quinn also can fit Ghostblade, although her better playstyle seems to be that of an assassin (which youmuu's works well for.)

NoMonkuSep 21, 20151 votes

She can get it, I just don't really consider her an ADC in the traditional sense. I consider a top lane champion. GB works for her moreso because her R makes her melee, which I feel makes it more threatening compared to most other ADC's and therefore more viable, as she is basically an assassin later in the game. Most AD assassins can utilize GB well, so it isn't a surprise that she can as well.

KoldheartedjspSep 21, 20151 votes

why can't lucian do it anymore?

i thought it was a core item cus it increases ult dmg so much

NoMonkuSep 21, 20151 votes

Lucian can still buy it if he wants to, but it was more I feel because of how OP he was that let him get away with it. As the meta has shifted towards longer drawn out teamfights, that 6 second burst won't help him for the rest of the teamfight, making something like item 3087 or item 3046 more preferable. It synergizes well with his R, but shooting that into a tank with armor won't do much. You can still buy it on him if you want as it will give him a nice burst of power when he activates GB, but if the fight drags on longer then its duration, he will start to fall behind an ADC that got PD or Shiv.

Also do note that this is my opinion, so you can get it if you want if it is your playstyle, but I feel getting GB cripples the rest of his kit for the ability to have a slightly strong R earlier in the game.

FiveofswordsSep 21, 20151 votes

i actually think lucian benefits mroe from cdr than msot adc and i go with zephyr for attack speed item with him

FiveofswordsSep 21, 20151 votes

ive seen some build it...i dont...the math jsut doesnt work out for ranged other items are always better.
no. attack speed gets diminishing returns and having too much attack speed without ad is jsut bad