The issue with Darius is that his mana costs are so low

Mongoose··32 votes·8,944 views

30 for q? He's going to get to spam it forever without going oom

48 Comments

Remlap122314 votes

No, the issue is that Darius' Q is bugged, so sometimes he gets to cheese and just chunk people unnecessarily. His Q is the least bullshit part of his kit now if it doesn't unintentionally double strike like Darius secretly has a crush on Master Yi or really does want to be Garen.


I'm laughing at the mental image.

Garen Hey Darius, how's it going?

Darius Shut up beyblade!

Garen ...ok. Bye then!

Darius ...

Darius Oh Garen, one day, you will be mine. My graceful top...

RiotMeddler3 votes

The Q double cast bug should be fixed as of patch 5.17. If anyone's still seeing it would be great to get any details on when/how.

a1sock7 votes

seriously, dodge the q and dont let him get more than 3-4 stacks, then wait for the ragequit

Mongoose3 votes

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Best Darius KR5 votes

You just lost all support from me.

a1sock17 votes

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i really hope your joking ri- https://i.gyazo.com/ffed39cd38d3e93a85a7fc405a33debc.png nevermind, your being serious...

1 because no one has more than one account 2. because performance OF AN ENTIRE ACCOUNT is indicative of the knowledge someone has on a single champion(67%wl indicates I am a monkey correct?) 3. because performance=knowledge 4. Because you would rather rather attack a person and not their argument 5. because you would come into a thread and discuss anything other than the original or related topics

Add some sarcasm and "why is mongoose a fool" before each. also you are or you're, not your, because attacking others requires you not to show every glaring vice and weakness you have. The superiority complex help you sleep at night when the authority figures in your life lump you in with your "lesser" peers?

Jefftiffy2 votes

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1 because no one has more than one account 2. because performance OF AN ENTIRE ACCOUNT is indicative of the knowledge someone has on a single champion(67%wl indicates I am a monkey correct?) 3. because performance=knowledge 4. Because you would rather rather attack a person and not their argument 5. because you would come into a thread and discuss anything other than the original or related topics

Add some sarcasm and "why is mongoose a fool" before each. also you are or you're, not your, because attacking others requires you not to show every glaring vice and weakness you have. The superiority complex help you sleep at night when the authority figures in your life lump you in with your "lesser" peers?

If you have more than 1 account why would you not be posting on your main. Why would you post on alternate?

Salidfingers4 votes

I think he just proven it.

I do the same. I have 3 golds and a plat 4 account. Rank has no validation in arguments, if that is the case then balance would be around higher rank which it is not apparently.

Mongoose1 votes
IcyPepper6 votes

Doesn't change anything he said.

I think you've kind of missed the point. If I were to hop on the rank bandwagon, I'd probably mention how a diamond got owned by an unranked.

Ouch.

Daedalus8713 votes

It's not back talk if he has a higher win rate than you.

Mongoose1 votes

it is when he has a 67% win rate out of 3 games and is unranked.

typical logic from a gold 5.

Daedalus8712 votes

I quit playing ranked when I got my free skin.

Now suck my 62% winrate.

Decrit1 votes

this. is. savage.

gotta take notes.

RiotMeddler7 votes

Agreed. We're going to try out a 30-50 scaling mana cost by Q rank in the next PBE build, see if that puts his mana usage in a more appropriate spot.

Mongoose3 votes

that should punish him for spamming a bit harder, but having recently played against darius, i noticed that his q blade radius is very high. its nearly impossible to walk into him to avoid the bleed and extra damage, and even if you try to run away he will still hit you with the very tip even if your champion doesnt look like he his in the warning area.

also his heal is very strong. if he didnt have the heal, he would be probably in a balanced state. if on the pbe they kept the heal to 12% missing hp per strike but not increase the max heal to 36 (instead lowering it to 24), that would help

and for a last note, maybe his movespeed should be reduced by 5-10. 340 is a very high number for a large juggernaut wielding a huge axe, and he has huge synergy with the movespeed bonus from black cleaver.

Taigongwang2 votes

His blade is easy to dodge unless your MS is pitiful. Or simply use any movement ability to completely negate it. Plus, the blade is a bit less than half of the AoE. After boots, or even some MS from runes/masteries, all it takes to dodge it is being quick on your clicks.

And Darius's movespeed is as high as it is because he needs it to function without a natural MS boost or gapcloser. If his MS got any lower, it would have a major impact on him at this point.

As for the heal, its the reward for hitting more than one person with his Q. The heal is there so he can sustain past burst in team fights and to reward him for hitting people. The delay balances that out, because otherwise he would need something else on the Q or just have it hit insanely hard as compensation for the delay.

5 Stacks GG5 votes

WTF? you are trying to gut Darius or what? He isn't that far from being balanced, I think both the mana nerf and the heal nerf will make him in a good spot and IF it's not enough I think taking 20-40 dmg of his Q would do the trick.

Mongoose1 votes

gut darius

5 Stacks GG3 votes

baddies detected.

Mongoose2 votes

gut darius

Dunkrius2g2 votes

And i noticed that Darius's radius is exactly the same compared to his old kit. His movement speed is completely fine. They removed his 5% movement speed per bleeding target for this so that will never happen. Mana nerf is plausible. Heal is plausible as well.

2DunksFromHell1 votes

Dude can you like stop crying please? darius AS nerfs makes it so hard to 1v1 now and Q delay changed darius plays vs champs like riven trynda and all those who can dodge something like his Q not to mention inner circle of the blade deals no damage and dosent apply stacks and heal is perfectly balanced if you hit your Q correctly you will be rewarded W no longer slows AS and there is really no point in maxing it after Q and his R base damage is nerfed so hard i fail every ult on lv6 even with 5 stacks of his passive. So please if you want to make suggestions how to change darius buy him and play him a bit because from what i see on your post above you probably got destroyed by him son :p

5 Stacks GG1 votes

I agree with this change, it will make player choose between aa and using W to clear the wave slower but sparing mana or use Q, clear a lot faster but use tons of mana!

and this is coming from a Darius long story main :p

sorry for bad English :/

Sinrall1 votes

Wow.. eerm I think 50 mana is quite a bit too high. It's nealry the twice amount of mana cost it has now. I would say 40 mana at all ranks. I admit, at now it's mana cost is really low for it's impact it has when it hits. But, his Q has to be cast often, since it is his first dmg-tool. With 50 mana cost you press Q twice and you already gave away an ulti-cost. I don't think that his Q is THAT strong, that it needs a 50 mana cost.

AthenasVendetta1 votes

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Agreed. We're going to try out a 30-50 scaling mana cost by Q rank in the next PBE build, see if that puts his mana usage in a more appropriate spot.

Is there a chance to perhaps increase the mana cost a bit hard to get a faster decimate(q) cast? Sorta hard to trade against dash, or movement speed steroids. Or was this an intended design?

What are you thoughts on his self healing, and team fighting ability?

Darius Over 90001 votes

Hi there Meddler, i took some of my time as to see what could be done to balance out Darius some more, and i came up with the idea of increasing the mana cost by X amount and create a new passive for the Q which sounds like this "When Darius hits an enemy champion with the outer blade part of his axe, regain 50% of the mana cost" This will nerf his ability to spam it on minions to push etc but preserve the same mana cost vs champs and in teamfights and reward him some more for hitting with the blade part without him going oom in a teamfight.

Was also thinking of reducing the delay on his Q when Darius is effected by "noxian might" by 0.50 secs so it will have a delay of 0.25 secs instead.

Btw, the new passive on his w makes no sense, pls remove it and and create a new passive for his E. "This ability now resets if Darius kills an enemy champion with his ultimate" This makes so much more sense, it doesnt give him any form for dash or speed buff but allows him to be more sticky in team fights for that penta. The only thing the new passive on his W is good for is to use it om cannon minions lool.

Another idea i had is this. New passive for "noxian guillotine" - "When Darius executes an enemy champion all of his other skills resets by 25% Rank 1 ult, 50% rank 2 ult, 100% rank 3 ult.

These changes do not effect his laning phase or inreases his power in the laning phase expect for the reduced delay on Q while under noxian might.

Hope u can use this for something. Ofc not all of it but hope u can take some of it and use it or that it enlightens you of something new.

Have a nice day.

BeatzBoyFTW6 votes

Yea, good luck hitting that 0.75 second delay which everyone complains about.....

WarlockLaw1 votes

Lol I got over the delay when I realized the heal, which I consistently hit, is op

Mongoose3 votes

your joking right?

ChaosThief7 votes

...you're*

And with that I take my leave

Jefftiffy1 votes

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Yea, good luck hitting that 0.75 second delay which everyone complains about.....

Sad thing is people get pulled and instead of walking into him and eating an AA (that he can't even do while the Q is charging) they walk away and get hit for double damage and an extra bleed stack. People are just too used too "OH FUCK IMMA DIE, RUN RUN RUN"

EddardStark842 votes

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Sad thing is people get pulled and instead of walking into him and eating an AA (that he can't even do while the Q is charging) they walk away and get hit for double damage and an extra bleed stack. People are just too used too "OH FUCK IMMA DIE, RUN RUN RUN"

Why the hell would you walk into him giving an AA (plus another stack of his passive) and then since you're in melee range (by virtue of walking into him) you are probably eating more AA's and then getting dunked. I'm really confused by this post...

Taigongwang1 votes

His attack speed is so slow, that if you take the handle on the Q(Which gives no stacks) and then immediately turn around, if he wants to continue that trade he has to commit HARD with everything he has. And even then, he has lost his highest damage ability at that point, which lets most other top laners out damage him if they continue the trade. Its not hard to win a trade against him if you take the handle.

Take the blade on the other hand, and you have a likely chance of getting beat. I've won lanes as Darius now just because my opponent got cocky and thought they could take the blade and continue on. Darius punishes mistakes even harder now. Play cautiously and be quick to react to his wind up, and you are generally fine.

Celeste Benal3 votes

He doesn't need to get 5 stacks to chunk you down for 25-50% of your total HP every time he engages. At level 3. His passive is a stacking DoT. He almost always wins trades because of it.

Dunkrius2g3 votes

Which deals physical damage, so you can buy all the defense you need for early levels.. Which got nerfed as well, from 12-36 to 10-27 per stack. Only really deals damage when you take 5 stacks, because of Noxian Might. Fail ur Q and u deal 50% damage. No heal. No stack applied. If you do get chunked for that much and you don't trade back, then that is your fault. This is a team game, not 1v1. Ask for jungler help.

Auryiel3 votes

Darius has always had completely irrelevant mana costs

DarthSpectrum2 votes

People keep pointing out that Darius's Q has a delay, but it isn't as if he is immobile while he channels the Q.

The moment he starts channeling his Q, he can just keep walking and follow you to keep you within reach. Due to his innately high MS, your only option is to walk into him and eat more AAs, or use an ability to get out.

LankPants2 votes

Past level 16 his whole combo costs less mana than Feral Scream.

Yeh, that could be a slight problem.

Dunkrius2g1 votes

Like he ever used to be oom before the Juggernaut update. And if he does, he always have these two items to make up for hypothetically being oom: item 2041 item 2004

UPfreely1 votes

darius is an issue? they just buffed him.

EddardStark841 votes

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darius is an issue? they just buffed him.

I'm not even sure that was a good idea to begin with..

Mr Sir Lebowski1 votes

His mana costs are well balanced as they are, I would put them at the same level as Volibear. What you don't want is a champion like Malphite who is constantly oom even if you buy the mana items you are forced into building.

Conturbatio1 votes

Let's make him resourceless then :D

Insane Pyromanic1 votes

The real problem is people haven't figured out that if you sit on his face he does less damage to you than if you dance around like an idiot, all you have to do is run at him to make him miss sweetspot on Q or dash backwards. Getting hit with the handle of the axe does like 2 damage and doesn't apply his passive. That said he is SUPER strong right now in teamfights or when he's outnumbered, an area he was bad in before the rework. Taking of 5-10 movement speed is probably the best nerf, since it makes his weakness even weaker without harming his "I will dunk your entire team if you choose to fight around me instead of kiting me and making me want to uninstall"

Electricfiehouse1 votes

I think Darius needs a buff (late game I'm fine with the heal and potential mana cost Nerf). Nothing big ,but late game once his ult gets rank 3 people targeted by Darius ult wont take damage from any other source except for Darius and all damage that would have been taken by the champion will occur after Darius does his damage (Think master yi alpha strike) . The idea being that he can get his passive off because in the late game the target I stack on is usually killed by my team before I can get an ult or 5 stacks.

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