Celerity Was Overnerfed

SirPurrr·Aug 25, 2018·50 votes·14,923 views

Bring it up to 2% MS or even 1.75% and it'll be fine again. At the moment, even champions with MS boosts often perform better with Absolute Focus.

29 Comments

Metal JannaAug 25, 201841 votes

Cut the adaptive AP/AD bonus, free up the rune's power budget for the actual reason people take the rune: MS!

Critmaster GarenAug 25, 201828 votes

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Cut the adaptive AP/AD bonus, free up the rune's power budget for the actual reason people take the rune: MS!

this.

they should just revert it to 3%

Killer of Night9Aug 26, 20182 votes

If they gut the ap/ad I hope it would be 4%

True GarenAug 28, 20184 votes

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this.

they should just revert it to 3%

For some reason, Riot has become very stingy about early game MS buffs. For years, %4.5 MS Quints were fine. This year, they started Celerity at %4, to replace the old runes, then quickly brought it down to %3. Currently it adds ~5MS lvl 1 for most champions, about as much as Coin. Not enough to actually proc itself.

Theoretically, with the new runes, one could start with Relentless and Boots. If Celerity gave %3, You could actually start lvl 1 with ~ +50 flat ms... which is probably broken somehow.

VelasanAug 26, 20181 votes

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Cut the adaptive AP/AD bonus, free up the rune's power budget for the actual reason people take the rune: MS!

Agreed, I don't need the rune to give fat amounts of damage I just want the move speed. That was the whole point of taking it.

fƒ15Aug 26, 20181 votes

tbh if they cut the current damage by 50% and give 5% movespeed I'd be more willing to take it

Fisher No ChainsAug 26, 201821 votes

The problem wasn’t celerity itself but instead the other two options being overall garbage.

Transcendence takes way too long to be effective in an early game oriented meta, it should give 1% CDR per level and maybe some champs that used to take scaling glyphs would start to use it (Riven comes to mind).

Absolute focus is just a poke rune. If you’re an artillery mage take it, otherwise don’t. Not sure how it could be improved.

rawiazam1Aug 26, 20186 votes

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The problem wasn’t celerity itself but instead the other two options being overall garbage.

Transcendence takes way too long to be effective in an early game oriented meta, it should give 1% CDR per level and maybe some champs that used to take scaling glyphs would start to use it (Riven comes to mind).

Absolute focus is just a poke rune. If you’re an artillery mage take it, otherwise don’t. Not sure how it could be improved.

make the ad/ap fade while you're lower and not dissapear is one way

Dog of PavlovAug 26, 20181 votes

Wait 1% CDR per level is actually such a good idea... why didn't they do this. If they really want it to be something "unlocked" at level 10 they could do it so you gain 0.5% CDR per level and then at level 10 you get an extra 5% CDR to become 10%.

Leto GTAug 27, 20181 votes

Transcendence is used a lot. Works perfectly fine with current ap builds. I would consider taking celerity if it does gives that 4,5% mov speedy old quint used to give. Idc damage at all.

RainXBladeAug 27, 20181 votes

If it were up to me, Absolute Focus needs a lower HP threshold (let's say, 45-50% HP), but give it lower stats at the level 1, but much higher stats at level 18 to balance it out.

Colton147Aug 25, 20189 votes

Hecarim needs direct buffs instead of an indirect buff. item 3070

rawiazam1Aug 26, 20181 votes

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needs direct buffs instead of an indirect buff.

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hhaavviikkAug 26, 20186 votes

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needs direct buffs instead of an indirect buff.

but how do you buff him without making him even more obnoxious? I play assassin hecarim allot and I doubt anyone likes to get 1 shot before they can react to a 800-1000 ms pony charging at them

Killer of Night9Aug 26, 20181 votes

Make him able to use more Q giving him some form of tankyness. just a bit of armor by lv or hp by lv. They can take out some damage from his E to do that but at least he can do what he should do.

VelasanAug 26, 20181 votes

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but how do you buff him without making him even more obnoxious? I play assassin hecarim allot and I doubt anyone likes to get 1 shot before they can react to a 800-1000 ms pony charging at them

Well, that's kind of Hecarim in a nut shell right? He is a very opportunistic jungler who thrives on diving into low targets when they can't run away from him. AP Nunu works the same way, and Khazix. It just depends on how much damage they can do while the enemy can't run that makes them OP vs just ok.

IfnethAug 26, 20183 votes

The problem with %MS is that everyone wants it. It helps literally every champion. Unless it’s so tiny that players would rather have more CDR later or conditional poke, Celerity would become mandatory.

Fury ReaverAug 26, 20182 votes

Then nerf Absolute Focus.

Somber RitesAug 26, 20182 votes

I think Singed was abusing it, and that's why it got nerfed.

Then of course, there's people using it for the free extra damage, so just like every other rune, it should be focused on utility, not power.

But it's not like the current balance team can fathom that.

EschetonAug 26, 20184 votes

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I think was abusing it, and that's why it got nerfed.

Then of course, there's people using it for the free extra damage, so just like every other rune, it should be focused on utility, not power.

But it's not like the current balance team can fathom that.

How can a champ that used to run ms quints "abuse" celerity? It was literally made for him.

TheMinezAug 26, 20181 votes

Well some of the time he ran spellvamp quints instead of movespeed quints

EschetonAug 26, 20182 votes

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Well some of the time he ran spellvamp quints instead of movespeed quints

the two had like a 5% winrate differential tho

fƒ15Aug 26, 20181 votes

RIOT NEEDS TO SEE THIS COMMENT THIS IS WHY DAMAGE RUNES GOT TO THE POINT THEY WERE

FixHealsRemoveGWAug 26, 20182 votes

Stop the "too much damage/ Riot never listens to us" narratives if you want reasonable changes.

Nausicäa Aug 26, 20182 votes

The problem is that there is already a lot of mobility/move speed creep in this game, which is why i think they lowered the MS, with high MS its too good not to take most of the time.

What they should do is find a way to balance it so it gives more MS to low movespeed champs and less to champs with already high MS.